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Regarding the election of President-Elect Barack Obama.......
November 15, 2008
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It is indeed me. It's good to see that you're still here.

And hello to everybody else, too.

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November 16, 2008
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Hi Seek,

long time no see!

I don't think Lolli is Canadian, but I am. Although of course, one doesn't have to be Canadian to be informed about inventions that came from Canadians. Here are just a couple off the top of my head:

Insulin
Telegraph
Time zones

OK... found a couple of links for you:

http://www3.sympatico.ca/tania.....da/things/

http://www.cbc.ca/inventions/

http://www.canada4life.ca/invent.php

Here's a few I noticed while pasting in URL's from those sites:

acrylic plexiglas
anti-graity suit
basketball
chocolate bar
electron microscope
electric wheelchair
ginger ale
Imax film format
Java
Kerosene
Light bulb - Henry Woodward (later sold the patent to Thomas Edison)

Oh well, it's late and I need to go to bed. Check out the Canadian invention site yourself and get educated. It's not all just beer, hockey and igloos up here, you know :-p

November 16, 2008
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Seeker welcome back.

Hm. so you voted for Palin eh. See this video, a combination of all her blunders:

Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

McCain admitted he didnt know much about Sarah when he choose her. That shows how stupid McCain was too. You still think she's better the other team? Who would you choose if you had to choose the lesser of the two evils? I cant beleive that half of American still voted for this idiotic woman. She makes me angry everytime she dodges those questions. She does it continously because she doesnt know the answers.

As for Obama's birth, he was born in Hawai. His parents met at the university there. You dont believe that story? Early life and career of Barack Obama. Thats from wikipedia. What part of this article do you think is a lie? If he was born in Hawai, how could he not be a US citizen?

Where are you getting the stories about his birth certificate being fake and computer generated? Read this from Snopes.com which refutes this rumor of his BC not being real: Snopes.com

Hawaiian officials have personally verified his original birth certificate, so what again now? Lets deal with it one at a time. Tell me now what you think of his birth certiticate issue.

The sad fact is you're only one that spoke out here. The country is full of people like you. 25% of all Americans believe that Obama is a muslim. There you go, thats how intelligent people can be.

Racism hasnt ended in America even though some of you might admit it and its nice of you to do that, but half of America is still racist. People are nice to each other on the face but its different from what they believe in their hearts. Not everyone is like that, there are some nice people but I'll say they only form 30% of the population. 70% are still racist to varying degrees but will never admit it. Its that privelage tBt talked about. The fact is that when you get a privelage somehow, you dont let go of it that easily. Why would you, right. Anyway. Its going to take more time for all racism to disappear, and for those who are racist, you are 'worse' than the person you are racist against.

November 16, 2008
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blah to spelling and grammar errors.

November 16, 2008
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Here's something good from someone on the internet:

>> Admittedly I'm not from the States, but if somehow when voting for Prime Minister over here in England there was a question over where the candidate was born I wouldn't give a monkeys. I love this country in a way because its been my home for the 20 years I've been alive, but I don't go for the sort of patriotism that says that someone has to have been born in a certain place in order to qualify to look after it

You cant believe Obama's grandmother over the officials in Hawai, can you? I wouldnt.

November 16, 2008
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Hey

To me, it is a sad commentary on racism in this country. Or other countries, because that exists outside the US, too.

There are those that will object to Obama because of his color, automatic objection coming first, then having to dig for reasons. There are those that will object to his politics, because of their political inclinations, and will use race and play on the fears of the privileged class having their world turned upside down - then dig up a "Blackwater", just as they did a "Whitewater" with the Clintons. I really hope he doesn't swisher sweet in the Oval Office.

Then there are those that may have voted for him, simply to put an African American in office, whether or not he was the most qualified candidate. Or may have been so sick of the mess the country is in since Bush took office, rigging the election 8 years ago in FL, that they figure a Dem couldn't hurt any more than the Republican did. I just hope the price of gas stays low, and the invasion of Iraq will end - Clinton had to clean up after DaddyB, maybe Obama can clean up Jr's mess.

There are those that will cry racist at legitimate criticism of Obama.

It has little to do with the man as President, IMO. Obama is a symbol -different to different folks. It has more to do with fear of race and the fear of power being imbalanced, like G_G and tBt brought up. If not Obama, someone else. It's just that Obama's color will be his demise.

What I think is really sad, is that within 18 months, (and down here, they are predicting 6!! ) another beautiful, articulate eloquent human will probably be dead- not for his politics, but because of his color. But - maybe the politics of color in this country still run too deep.

November 16, 2008
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Seeker,

You ask - "Why is it considered politically incorrect to refer to Obama's legal middle name, which is Hussein?"

Well? I reckon it's because since the US "decided" to war against Arabic countries, particularly Iraq, whose leader's name was Saddam Hussein, those names became "incorrect", or suspect. Those people, not just the leaders, and their culture, religion, etc, have been demonised to further the US agenda. My BIL, born in Egypt, olive skinned, shortened his name to Ed. Just to survive amidst the prejudice about such things in and around Chicago.

November 16, 2008
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Kroika,

Welcome again! Good to see you're still here.

Well, I must eat crow regarding Canadian inventions. There've been some fine things coming out of Canada. I just hadn't heard about them before. I suppose I should check my facts first, eh?

P.S. Somebody please remind me to not get so worked up on this site in the future!

Seeker

November 16, 2008
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Hear hear, Bevdee! But I dearly hope your dire prophesy is wrong.

America put Saddam Hussein in power, supported him, even armed him ... (see the pics of Bush snr shaking his hand smilingly) - then demonised him once his presence no longer fit the oil-grabbing, strategic-position-monitoring financial/political/ agenda. What hypocrisy!

It's like the Bin Laden family being close associates & personal friends of the Bush family ... (all that footage of pals partying) - until they suddenly weren't.

This splitting (- intense Good v Evil, / Them v Us thinking, linked with poor verbal articulation skills & lack of mental acuity that is so typical of Dry Alcoholic syndrome & other psycho-pathologies) should surely not be allowed to affect the fate of thousands & the wellbeing of whole nations!!! Imho.

November 16, 2008
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Sorry, scratch the above. It is so badly expressed that it's a nonsense. My sincere apologies to all. I may try to re-phrase later.

November 16, 2008
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Gazelle -

Splitting - I got it. I understand what you were saying. In order to rally the troops around, they have to make it us vs them them evil, us good. Us right, them wrong. - and we have fallen into that mentality, naively believing all that those in power have tried force feed us. It's interesting that in other places, use this site, for example - this type of thinking is not considered "healthy" but when it is church or politics, it is ok.

Hmm - with this kind of stuff in play, it would be hard to shake the mindset.

November 16, 2008
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Guest,

It's been a long time since we've talked. Good to hear from you. Okay, let's have an intelligent discussion.

I voted for McCain and Palin, as you surmised, but I wish there'd been a better choice for a Republican candidate. I would have preferred Mitt Romney.

I don't know much about Palin, but she seems to have been quite successful as a mayor and in her previous government experience. She also held her own against Senator Biden in their debate.

I'm not opposed to Obama because he's black. I don't like what he represents: extreme liberalism, which means more government control, less individual freedom, and more taxes. He's also too green for me: what experience does he have that enables him to competently preside over the United States? He hasn't even served an entire term as a US senator. (True, Palin hasn't served an entire term as governor, but this has nothing to do with Obama's level of experience.)

Obama's birth certificate does not contain detailed information typical of US birth certificates of the time, such as the following:

1. attending physician signature or license number

2. address for the attending physician or hospital

3. parent signature

4. parent DOB or age of parent or parent place of birth.

5. Was this a single birth or multiple birth.

6. Registrars name or signature.

7. Also, the father’s race would not be “African”, that is the country of origin. Race would be "black" or "Negro" (1960’s)

(from http://www.noquarterusa.net/bl.....look-like/)

The birth announcement proves nothing. The newspaper would not be expected to verify the information in the announcement.

As for the question of the seal and signature being on the back and thus not apparent on the computer image, why was the back not scanned and presented to us along with the front, thus removing all doubt about its authenticity?

Sorry, but there's too much room for doubt on this subject for me.

Spare the personal attacks or I'll cut this discussion off immediately.

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that half the people don't like Obama's liberal agenda. Just because he's black, does that mean we have to accept his policies or we're racist? I don't like Ted Kennedy's liberalism either, so I must be prejudiced toward people from Massachusetts. Right? Same logic, or rather, illogic.

How can you judge the hearts of other people? Did somebody make you God?

By the way, it IS possible for non-whites to be prejudiced against and racist toward whites or any other racial group besides their own. It's politically incorrect to say this, but it's still true.

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November 16, 2008
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Bevdee,

Seeker,

His middle name is what it is. Why hide the fact? If we're prejudiced against the name, it's our fault, not his. If Obama doesn't like his middle name, he can legally change it.

November 16, 2008
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Bevdee,

Please amend my last reply to this:

His middle name is what it is. Why hide the fact? If we're prejudiced against the name, it's our fault, not his. If Obama doesn't like his middle name, he can legally change it.

I didn't mean to refer to myself at the beginning or the italics in the reply.

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November 17, 2008
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Hey Seeker,

"His middle name is what it is. Why hide the fact? If we're prejudiced against the name, it's our fault, not his. If Obama doesn't like his middle name, he can legally change it."

Maybe he thought holding the office was more important than making an issue of the name Hussein, which is very unpopular right now. Hidng it, though - it must not be a very well kept secret - you know it. Whoever told you knows it. My best advice to you, since we don't know his heart or mind on this issue is to go to the source for answers - Obama. I don't know for sure, I just offered my opinion on "political incorrectness" of Arabic stuff , based on what little I know from my BIL and the fear he has experienced for his children, brothers, and himself since DaddyBush's first Persian Gulf War. And based on the rumor and innuendo I see spread about that culture.

Should he change his name because it is politically incorrect to the current administration? I certainly hope not. Then he would be accused of trying to camouflage his given name, as opposed to being accused of omitting it.

Ok- I am getting a little confused, more so after reading some of your objections to him as president. You listed some reasons, then posed questions, one of those questions that he didn' t use his middle name. The middle name issue was posed as a question. Is the name, or lack of use of it one of your objections?

Would legally changing his Arabic middle name earn your endorsement of him as the President? Would it change the way you view him? His middle name is probably one of three - that might be kind of hard to get on banners and ballots and stuff. Hard to remember. My understanding of that heritage, (as I learned it from my BIL and his mother) is that the middle name is his father's. He second middle name his grandfather's and third middle name is his great grampa's. Same with his sister - her middle names are the same as his. It's their patriarchal lineage.

November 17, 2008
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Seeker, what do you think of officials confirming the birth certificate, and their records of living in Hawaii (the pictures), the fact that they met in Hawaii etc.

The birth certificate released on the internet by Obama possibly withheld more details for privacy concerns. Blog-based criticism, what you posted, has been answered here: http://www.factcheck.org/elect.....e_usa.html

Is there any "reliable" source criticising his BC? You cant depend on bloggers like that.

November 17, 2008
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Stuff like this:

After Obama's win, white backlash festers in US

Is a tip of the iceberg, the iceberg about the resentment many white people have towards Obama being a president. Its like terrorism, only a few muslims do it, the rest sit in silence and are afraid to speak out much, etc. Some do speak out. But there's racism for you. However there's this interesting example I have about racism: Suppose you have 200 men with red hats attack your home. Next time you see a man with a red hat, are you going to not view him with suspicion? Or would you rather forget _all_ the useful and relevant data and not subject him to any prejudice?

So.. in a way, racism is natural and infact, logical. But after a while when you see that the other guy with the red hat is not hostile, then you realize he's not like the others and good black people do exist. They're everywhere. Now I'm agnostic about whether Obama will do good or not but I'm 100% sure that he's a better choice than Palin/McCain.

And ofcourse my choice isnt for color, I choose him because he was more mature and wiser, wiser than this utterly foolish Palin/McCain pair. Ofcourse if they had had El Sharpton or some other looney guy, I wouldnt have voted for him.

November 17, 2008
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here's more, Seeker. If you're using blogs to stress what you're saying, then here's something better than a blog that answers it, including the issue of the officials signature or a seal on the certificate. http://www.politifact.com

November 17, 2008
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Hey there Seeker! Good to see you!

No, I am not Canadian as my friend Kroika pointed out (with her impressive list of Canadian inventions :o). I am very much American. I was only repeating something said by Martin Short (who is Canadian) that I thought was funny).

I'm not going to get a big political debate because that's not my thing. I leave that to the likes of Tez, Guest, Worried Dad, etc.

However I will say that I proudly voted for Barack HUSSEIN Obama. I think Bevdee was right in her explination as to why people don't use his middle name. But I personally don't use it because....why would I? I generally don't call people by their full given names and am I prefer people don't do it to me. There is no need to call me Lolli POP Candy. Lolli suits me just fine.

As for the rest of it.......

Nothing you mentioned about has changed my mind one iota about the man's intelligence or abilities. To me it's all just a bunch of propaganda whose sole purpose is to invoke fear in people.

You said you had to listen to conservative talk shows because mainstream media didn't report the information. My first thought is perhaps they didn't report it because it's not true. But even so, my opinion aside...there are still plenty of credible sources to gain information without resorting to the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

Hilary Clinton said...blah, blah, blah. Of course she did! She was running a campaign AGAINST him! But after it was over, she came out publically FOR him. So there ya go.

E-mails? No one gets removed from those lists! And even if it did have a little "unsubscribe" link...it's full of SH##! I have clicked on those links hundreds of times and still get junk mail constantly. And last I heard on ABC news was that clicking on those links is the worst thing you can do. Basically all you are doing is VERIFYING that it is an active acccount and BINGO....they gottcha!

Anyway.....

My only suggestion to those that are afraid that the communists are taking over is.....don't panic.

I don't even think he is a "socialist" in the offical sense of the word. He may have some socialist ideals and ideas but that doesn't mean we are going to become a SOCIALIST nation. Nor will the United States become a communist nation. You know that.

He is not going to take away anyone's 401K plans, nor is the country going to become segregated as it was in decades past.

Stop the paranoia. Relax. And give the man a chance.

He cannot POSSIBLY be worse than our current President.

And hey, if taxes do get raised.....that's a lesson to you all for voting for George W. F***ing Bush in the first place!

Having said all that......

Glad you're back Seek :o)

November 17, 2008
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what's mccain's middle name?

what's palin's middle name?

as far as i can tell, only serial killers are called by their first-middle-last name...

November 17, 2008
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Iam not sure it matters where Obama was born anyway. there is no doubt that his Mom is American and i believe that would make him American too.

November 17, 2008
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Tiger, the fact that his mother was a US citizen does not automatically make him a US citizen. He had to have been born on American soil or territory. You ask why it matters where he was born. If he wasn't born in the US, he is not eligible to be president of the US. It's as simple as that.

Guest, I concede the issue of his birth certificate (for the sake of this discussion). I just don't have the energy to continue with it.

Lolli, good to hear from you again. I hope you're right about Obama. Only time will tell how this will all play out. I think that the US is well on the road to socialism already and that whoever is in power, Democrat or Republican, we will continue on that road. With Obama, I fear the gas pedal will be floored, so to speak. I will let go of this fear, because there's nothing I can do about it. I've had my say.

I need a break from this discussion. It's wearing on me too much.

I'm politically out of the mainstream on this website, like a fish out of water. Sometimes that fish gets lonely.

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November 17, 2008
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Published on Monday, November 17, 2008 by Times Online/UK

Obama Win Prompts Wave of Hate Crimes

see article at http://www.commondreams.org/he.....08/11/17-0

(hey Guest, any chance of a tutorial on how to make links that work, rather than have to be cut and pasted to the browser?)

Seek, I understand about being a fish out of water, and about political discussions being draining. I understand the need to walk away sometimes. But I do hope you will avail yourself of some perceptions from other perspectives. You might be pleasantly surprised to discover that those to the left of you love your country and want what's best for all the people who live in it.

About middle names -- ha ha, just have to repeat this. There's a person who posts comments at CommonDreams.org who always refers to the current incumbent of the US presidency as "George Wanker Bush". Say no more.

November 17, 2008
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kroika,

I visited the website guest posted and I am saddened by such bigotry. There are intelligent ways to express one's disagreement with Obama's policies, and racism is not one of them. I feel the same sadness when I hear people making unsavory comparisons of Bush to, for example, Hitler.

I have no doubt that many liberals sincerely love the US and want the best for it. But I also believe they tend to not realize how easily a liberal government can destroy our hard-won liberties. Sure, our country has its problems, but to assume that government is the answer to these problems is to disregard the lessons of history.

I don't agree with many of Bush's policies. Nevertheless, I see nothing funny about "George W**** Bush". I put this in the same category as making racial slurs against Obama.

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November 17, 2008
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kroika, here's how to make links:

http://www.htmlcodetutorial.co....._HREF.html

just remember to include this in the beginning of any website address:

http://www.

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