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Prophetic ministries
January 4, 2010
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Ma,

Really no need to get your shorts in a knot here. -eesh

ACRONYM - Abbreviated Coded Rendition Of Name Yielding Meaning)

"Xtian" is merely an acronym.

Definition: "Christian"

It's in the dictionary and is not slanderous. "Nigger" is often used as a disparaging term for a black person.

Words themselves aren't bad. It the "context" in which they are used. It's important to make the distinction.

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Young & Thoughtless

Hmm..sounds like a name for a soap opera.

Mary,

Ok, I'm in for the doctor game but, I've just developed a case of performance anxiety so, maybe you could start things off?

ps: What are ya wearin?? 😉

Tez,

Thanks for the link. I am familiar with Dawkins. A clever man indeed.

Look forward to the vid. Thx

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January 4, 2010
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Generic Post directed at no one in particular:

It's rather typical for Xtian folks to strike out/accuse others of bashing etc. It's only because that's the only weapon they have in their arsenal of defense. Therefore, it came as no shock to be accused of embodying nothing more than youthful ignorance. (don't mind the youth comparison-ha) When Xtians feel backed into a corner or that their faith is being attacked, that's the usual knee-jerk rection one can expect. "Righteous anger" is the excuse I've heard before. Seems a rather desperate way to respond though. Easier than exchanging any dialogue based in logic.

Tez,

Enjoyed the vids. Father Coyne's beliefs are certainly a real departure from the conventional Xtian school of thought. Interesting how he has managed to reconcile science with his faith. (at least to his own satisfaction) Interesting too, that he is accepting of Darwin's theory. In fact, he didn't even like to call it a "theory" as he fully believes that evolution is abundantly & undeniably evident.

A relatively reasonable Xtian - how refreshing! Not afraid of the big questions nor is he condescending/sanctimonious. He admits to becoming catholic due to his upbringing and admitted that had he been brought up under different circumstances he would likely have believed in a different God. It's all subjective really, isn't it?

Bottom line: Slice it any way you like - Xtianity is simply a faith based belief system supported by nothing more than opinion.

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January 4, 2010
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I have read this thread and stayed out of it until now. Ma asked nicely that you not refer to Christians as xtians. Ma, and to my knowledge I, have ever banged anyone over the head with our Christianity. All she asked for was a little curtesy and what did you do? You laughed in her face.

Mary, as you know I was extremely wounded by the forerunners to extreme fundamentalism who called themselves Independent Methodists. I turned my back on God and only in the lat 10 or 15 years came back. I understand the hurt and pain.

Craigco, so what if God is only a myth and it is us weak minded who have to believe in him? Would you laugh and mock a retarded man?

I would rather have SOMETHING to believe in than experience total hopelessness.

Peace to all.

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January 4, 2010
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Hey Marypoppins i found what you were talking about. Liberation ... thanks. this is interestimg discussion.

January 4, 2010
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Bitsy, did you just call people who believe in God retarded?

January 4, 2010
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I always womdered about the case follow up on those healing ministries. with Hinn, all you see is the show, (and his tacky combover) the falling back into somones arms, unless there too fat..... then those fall catcher guys get out of the way fast. they arent goimg to hurt themslelves. but you never see the follow up or here real doctors telling how this person had this corndition before then they didnt. mouth hanging open at the miracle of it. why dont they have THOSE kind of testimomials? it migt be true but it might not. with prpohetic you could go to a seer or a palm reader. same talent different name, different follow through.

January 4, 2010
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Now I have another question. Is it NOT ok to say Xtian here cos it might hurt someones feelings and they might think you are callimg them racial slurs?
ok so if it hurts my feelings to hear people talk about sin and damnation as defined in the Bible, can I ask that it stop? Will it?

January 4, 2010
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No Lillibit I did not call people who are Christians retarded. I probably used the wrong anology. If I asked you to please not call me southern white trash and you continued to do it, I would find it offensive if you continued to do it.
Ma very politely asked that Christians not be referred to as Xtians.

I personally am a Christian but do not feel called to lead others to Christ. If they happen to see something in me they like that is my only witness.

We are only allowed to discuss religiion on this side because others in the past got into knock down drag outs concerning religion. There are quite a few agnostics/atheists on these threads and we have a mutual respect for each other. I don't bang them over the head with hellfire and damnation and they don't tell me I might as well believe in the tooth fairy.

Someone like Mary Poppins who has shared her story of hurt due to the Catholic Church (I think) and has explained that she has lived in several different cultures and believes no one can corner the market on a "god" I have to respect because she came to that belief after much thought.

This was a thread started to ask about one specific aspect of Christianity. I didn't respond becasue I have no first hand knowledge of it, although my inclination is to be skeptical. A few popped on to use it as a forum to state once again that those of us you believe in God might as well believe in Fairy Tales.

Live and let live. Don't push your belief system on me and I promise not to push mine on you. Just let's all be respectful.

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January 4, 2010
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Ok, but what if someone asked that the word CHRISTIAN or CHRIST not be uttered here? There are non-believers (not me) that find the word offensive. We should respect that, too, shouldn't we?

January 4, 2010
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No. On the Liberation Brew side you are allowed to talk about any religion. I wouldn't refer to Buddhist as B-ists if I was asked not to out of respect. I wouldn't refer to Hinduism as H-ism. It is just a sign of respect for all believers/non believers no matter what their "belief" is.

Believe me I am one of the first to understand being hurt by religion. My mother was an alcoholic and everyone at my Christian school knew it and talked behind my back, but not ONE person in administration, the guidance councellor or any of my teachers EVER told me they knew what was going on and let me know I could talk to them.

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January 4, 2010
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So we can talk about anything we want any way we wamt to? As long as everyone feels respected? But if someone doesm't feel respected, we need to stop saying waht we were saying?

January 4, 2010
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Just use common sense and curtesy. It isn't that difficult.

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It shouldm't be. But how do we know that someone isn't going to thimk we are calling them a ni88er just because they domt like what we say? If that person says its bashing then we have to stop? that would stop most conversations than anything other than christianity.

January 4, 2010
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Is it a guideline here that Christianity NOT be referred to as XTIANITY?

January 4, 2010
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Lillabit, you do whatever works for you. I am not going around and around with you on this. Use common sense. Have a good day.

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January 4, 2010
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Bisty, i jut dont understand. On Support, there are all kinds of threads that have xmas in the title. Are those disrespectful to Stronginhim77 and the other Christians? Is that like calling Christmas Kwanzaa?

January 4, 2010
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As Bitsy is explaining, it is a matter of courtesy. Replacing the name of Christ with an "x" is discourteous and hurtful to Christians.

Again, it is a simple issue of manners. We are all entitled to our own beliefs. It is the manner in which we choose to share or express those beliefs that matters. Mockery, insults and/or put-downs are hurtful and should be avoided on BOTH sides of these threads.

Although (sigh) there may be many posters here who aren't as old as I am and/or do not share the protocols of respecting others' differences which were drilled into me during my childhood. My mother called it, "being a gentleman or gentlewoman." Perhaps that is too old fashioned a concept today.

As an olde lady, it has been my experience over many decades that antagonism and argumentativeness stem from pride and insecurity...and do not reflect good breeding/manners.

- Ma Strong

January 4, 2010
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P.S. Kwanzaa is a completely different Holiday from Christmas and should be respected as such. Again, different beliefs...different cultures. Nothing wrong with respecting BOTH.

- Ma Strong

January 4, 2010
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Many people have issues about religion. It would be better if they dealt with those issues directly rather than use sarcasm, or become hateful towards a group or ideology. When you learn to take responsibility for your own fears, issues, and for who you are; when you stop blaming your parents and your past for your current behavior, then you really grow up and you become free to choose what to believe without being threatened by another's differing beliefs.

I grew up in a racially diverse area that was at times rife with conflict. One Halloween, my three white friends and I were jumped by a group of about 20 black kids. I was dragged up a street and beaten over the head many times. It was a racially motivated crime and not the only one I suffered. Still it never stopped me from having black friends. My best friend was black and one of my high school boyfriends as well. I would not have had black friends, nor would I have deserved them if I had been rude, called them names they didn't like, made fun of their culture or generalized about what most black people do. "Black" is not a bad word. But if I ever met a black person who told me he preferred "African American" then I would use "African American" without fuss or complaint. Incidentally, I have been asked to use the term "black" which is why I do.

I suppose I could use my past as a reason to hate black people or be a racist. But I didn't do it then and I still don't. Whatever happened to me in the old neighborhood was on the people who did it, and how I treat people now is on me. I choose who I want to be, it isn't my past experiences that make me who I am. I choose.

January 4, 2010
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Soofoo,

what if you used African American to someone who preferred to be called black? Then you have offended the black person?

January 4, 2010
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Stronginhim,I hope you arent saying I have bad breeding for asking about the use of X to replavce Christ. I didnt thimk i was arguing. Its just confusing. you state your opinion, and I respect your right to do that. I feel it stalls a comversation about anything when someone says oh that hurts my feelings. then the conversation, discussion must stop for fear of hurting that persons feelings or being accused of laughig in someones face or having bad manners. bitsy came in to defend you and chide Craigco for stating his opinion. How old are you?

January 4, 2010
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Lillabit, If someone says to you, I prefer to be called black, and you refuse, and continue to call him African American and want to have an argument about it, then I believe you are behaving in a disrespectful manner, regardless of whether or not you have offended anyone.

January 4, 2010
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Soofoo I think they would probably prefur not to be distinguished that way. we're all human.

Stronginhim, are there Christians that object to advertisemsnts and all that use X for xmas? I didn't realize people felt that strongly about it. I think some businesses use it to describe the holiday, but respect the diversity of the non-Christian population.

January 4, 2010
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I did not chide Craigco for stating his opinion and he and I have a mutually respectful relationship. I just asked him to respect Ma and what she asked. I do not have a bone to pick with anyone over anything. I mostly agree with what Soofoo said. If Jane Smith asks that I call her Mrs. Smith, I do not continue to call her Jane. That is disrespectful. If I call her Mrs. Smith and she says oh please call me Jane I will call her Jane.

Many Christians feel the X is disrespectful because is x's out Christ's name in Christianity. You have been asked by Ma to use the full word. When dealing with Ma and with me please use the full word. When you are dealing with someone who hasn't asked specifically for it not to be used then by all means use it if you want.

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Lillabit, Who would prefer not to be distinguished what way? I don't know what you're talking about.

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