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Power in Words
October 6, 2005
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Words are very powerful, and can have both positive and negative effects on emotions, health, etc.

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October 6, 2005
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The words you tell yourself, changing those can change the way you hear EVERYTHING else too!

October 6, 2005
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No doubt in my mind! What are what we say. The power of the tongue is so strong!

From James 3:5 - 10

5Even so the tongue is a little member, and it can boast of great things. See how much wood or how great a forest a tiny spark can set ablaze!

6And the tongue is a fire. [The tongue is a] world of wickedness set among our members, contaminating and depraving the whole body and setting on fire the wheel of birth (the cycle of man's nature), being itself ignited by hell (Gehenna).

7For every kind of beast and bird, of reptile and sea animal, can be tamed and has been tamed by human genius (nature).

8But the human tongue can be tamed by no man. It is a restless (undisciplined, irreconcilable) evil, full of deadly poison.

9With it we bless the Lord and Father, and with it we curse men who were made in God's likeness!

10Out of the same mouth come forth blessing and cursing. These things, my brethren, ought not to be so.

October 6, 2005
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I think that the quote, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me", is one of the worst quotes ever!

October 6, 2005
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always liked that sticks and stones thing. it was a way to say, 'you're a jerk' to the one who tried to devalue you. it has cadence and rhythm, is soothing to get off the tongue, and you could walk away from a potential fistfight. grew up in a big city and it was an innocuous way to evade disaster. you could just say it and walk down the block.

we used to add, 'call me this and call me that but call yourself a dirty brat'. after i'd say it i'd walk away. life went on and i felt as if i responded. did have to deal with the pain from the initial epithet though. but then i would tell myself a friend wouldn't call me names and those who did weren't. but that was in the street.

at home, child and adult, i remember a lot and never recited that rhyme. i remember some of that and pushed it away, hidden in the bowels but it never does become waste and expelled. it's what cements my value system. i stay away from people like that if i'm smart enough to notice before i'm injured again now. not always successful at it, good enough but not always.

my name should have been rambler.

October 7, 2005
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Never....

I like your ramblings 🙂

- I think that is the worst quote BECAUSE it really isn't true.. words do hurt- I think you're right, about how it's a way to insult someone- but it still isn't true in that words DO hurt.. but you can learn to become unoffendable- that takes being confident in who you are, and not needing others to approve of you, and all that jazz.. I'm still on that path. 🙂

yur cool never 🙂

Blessings

~HotT

October 7, 2005
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I like the "I'm rubber you're glue" one better, like you are what you say and everything you say about me is a reflection of what you don't like about yourself.

Also a big fan of the Pee-Wees Big adventure bit "I know you are but what am I?"

There's also a really smart line of poetry that has always no matter how many times i read it made me say 'oh wow' because it's so simple and powerful a fact about communication and needing words: "I can't know what you know unless you tell me". And another line by the same poet (Adrian Rich, by the way, one of my favorites) When language fails us, we fail each other."

October 7, 2005
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EF.. 🙂

yeah, i like that rubber one too! i could elaborate, but need to get back to work!!! ugh

only 2 hours to go... To quote a famous fish: "Just keep swimmin', just keep swimmin'..." Dori, from 'Finding Nemo' 😀

~HotT

October 7, 2005
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Words are fascinating things. Like dollar coins, they represent something, an idea, a concept. Yet they are not the things that they presume to represent. When I say use the word 'tree' I am rally talking about an interactive process that I think is going on 'out there'. My mind constructs the image of a 'tree' either by memory recall or sensory processing of visual data from the eyes. But this visual raw data was received as photons of light that emanated from both the tree and its surroundings. It is the mind that separated the non tree photons from the tree photons. Yet the photons are the same, varying only in energy levels, numbers and frequency of photon waves. With the eyes of a bee the tree would look altogether different.

Yet we humans rarely question the artificiality of the objectification processes of the mind. The subject-object orientation of our word based languages further creates and substantiates the illusions of the reality that we perceive to lie 'out there' on the other side of our eyes.

For example, we think electricity is a 'thing' when like everything else including ourselves it is a process. A process implies change, impermanence. Even the idea of an end to a process or a beginning is a construct of the objectifying mind seeking to reinforce the delusory idea of self and other.

What have words done to or for us? Perhaps the mythological Garden of Eden represents a time before words existed where our minds simply 'experienced' without need to discriminate. But what caused us to be kicked out of that state of innocent purity of mind? Was it Cain really killing his bro Abel or Eve tempting Adam with the forbidden fruit? Or was it simply the price tag demanded by the ongoing evolutionary process?

October 7, 2005
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Wow, Tez....quite the thought provoker aren't ya? You sure are a very deep thinker.

Along the lines of the "I'm rubber you're glue" genre......my favorite word is....so.

My sister taught me long ago what an effective tool it can be to use against abusive or otherwise critical people.

Ex: You're not a very good cook.

Response: so

Ex: Those jeans are a little too tight.

Response: so

Ex: You could use to lose/gain some weight.

Response: so

See how good that works! Leaves 'em speechless every time.

Feel free to try it out....see if you like it. 🙂

Love,
Lolli

October 7, 2005
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(((((lolli!!!)))))))))

You should see if you could pattent that as a self help meathod! LOL, how could I miss that one so many times reaching for an explanation, retort, defence, or even a way to explain how it hurt me! So? Brilliant!

Art Kudner said something to the effect of "Always use small words for big things...love, hate, war, death, they are small words but they say what you mean". That's not the exact quote, of course, but soemthing to taht effect. I'll look it up and post it now that Im thinking about it.

Lies, those are powerful words, they contort actuality, contort what truly is in space and time with the roll of a toung, how powerful is THAT!?

October 7, 2005
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Oh, I have a word you could also have used there...'jerk!'.
🙂

October 7, 2005
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The story behind the so....was pretty funny I thought.

It all started when my sister was at a wedding. All the guests received a martini glass as a gift. Well, my sister was sitting there with a friend of hers and a little kid came up and tried to take my sister's glass. So her friend said to the kid "you can't take that....it's not yours".....his response.... "so" , and he walked away with the glass. My sister's friend looked at my sister and said "what I am supposed to say to that". My sister thought it was the funniest thing and she's been using it ever since.

It really does work like a charm.

October 8, 2005
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Lolli,

I love it! So. It is short, to the point, offputting and as you stated there is no response. Brilliant.

Along the same lines, my counselor says there are just some instances when the best response is, "whatever" and keep on going.

October 8, 2005
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Lolli... 🙂

you are SOoooo right! 😉

~HotT

October 8, 2005
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Lollipop3
I found it.
I thought it would be a site about these responses that I could apply in my life at just the right moment in time. Well I certainly will be using it! Thanks HD

October 8, 2005
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Hey HD.....welcome "upstairs".

🙂

Lolli

October 8, 2005
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Thanks! C U there!
HD

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