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Pick on a pregnant woman. Now I am Really, really pissed off
February 1, 2007
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that just makes me sick.

February 2, 2007
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WD,

There's more than one thing one could get angry about in this story. Which particular thing has gotten you angry?

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February 2, 2007
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WD,

I just reread the title of your thread. So you think the police were picking on her? She put fake temporary tags on her car and had outstanding warrants for mistreating children and other things.

The police had a duty to arrest her. It's sad she lost the baby, but I don't see that the cops were necessarily responsible for that.

February 2, 2007
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Sure, police have a duty to enforce traffic regulations, but they higher duty to protect life.

If it had been the woman's husband who didnt let her go to the hospital, he would be charged with homicide.

February 2, 2007
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Now, it is sad but, we all make choices in our lives. Apparently this persons choice was not to think about her actions or the life she was carrying.

I am the mother of three beautiful children and not once did I put myself or them at risk while I was pregnant.

The police deal with so many liars on a day to day basis that it is hard to distinquish a lie from the truth. Without knowing the officer and why they made the choice they did, I am kind of on the fence with this one.

I have seen a lot of horrible things in my life. It all boils down to choices.

Sad choice on both sides....

February 2, 2007
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If she was bleeding and needed to go to the hospital, why was she stealing a temporary tag for the car? Because of her criminal background, the cops may have justifiably believed she was lying about or exaggerating the seriousness of her bleeding to try to get out of arrest.

Let's wait until the inevitable investigation occurs before passing judgment. We don't have all the facts.

February 2, 2007
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Oh dear, she tried to conceal the fact that her tabs were expired in hopes of getting to the hospital? My that is shocking.

It does not matter if the woman was Osama Bin Laden's Mother in law and the caught her with a million dollars, ten pounds of heroin, a small nuclear weapon and and five severed human heads in her backpack.

When a public servant in MY country hears a human being--ANY human being request medical assistance, they had damn well better fall all over themselves to make sure that medical attention is rapidly forthcoming. Period.

February 2, 2007
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I kind of agree with Seeker's view on this. This was just a liar, a convict who police did not believe. They're used to facing criminals who lie to them all the time.

Why didnt they beleive her? She had "outstanding warrants for mistreatment of children, trespassing and several traffic violations."

The police simply did not believe that she was bleeding - thats it. Had they believed, they would have called an ambulance.

When you face 100 liars and convicts every day who tell all sorts of lies to you, the response the police gave to her is normal and every day. Although the police could have checked somehow and then they would have believed and they'd have found the one convict that was telling the truth. Its hard to be a cop. It requires a lot. You have to look at the overall picture. They were human and sometimes bad luck just slips by.

Again remember, you are dealing with cops, who are told 100 lies every day by 100 convicts. Its like being shot with 100 blue paintballs and suddenly there comes a red one. Its unusual and unexpected. Without seeing the color, they would make the judgement that its blue.

February 2, 2007
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They suspended the cops: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/.....index.html

Also interesting: "After the ninth request, the tape shows, a female officer asked: "How is that my problem?" (Watch police arrest Salva )"

I'll say again, its hard being a cop and it requires a lot.

February 2, 2007
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I come from a cop family, so I understand it is hard.

But I repeat: If she had been found with five severed heads in a duffelbag it would have made no difference.

The issue is not whether she seemed believable or trustworthy or even whether they believed her.

She requested medical assistance. They witheld medical assistance. It's as simple as that.

February 2, 2007
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I reallllly ,REALLY shouldnt have looked at this today, but dang, thats the most awful thing I read all year!!

February 3, 2007
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Personally, I can't stand cops.

Most of my experiences with them (and othes that I know) have shown them to be rude, arrogant, and more often than not....worse than the criminals they are arresting.

I think both of these officers should be criminally charged and put in prison.

I agree with WD....had this been the husband, he would certainly be in jail.

Of course, after an "investigation", we will undoubtedly not hear about it again, or hear that her allegations are unfounded.

February 3, 2007
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Here are some examples.....

My nephew was arrested a few years ago for being drunk and breaking a window. Vandelism. A misdomeanor.

While on the way to the police station...he became a bit mouthy. Again...he was 22 and he was drunk. Now mind you, this kid couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag....but he is a "comedian" and can be quite sarcastic. Some, such as myself, find him funny. Obviously the police did not.

So, when he got to the police station an officer grabbed his head and smashed his face on a sink, giving him a 2 inch, gaping gash above his eye. The wound was so signigicant and was bleeding so much that they had to take him to the hospital. And of course they didn't want him going to court the next day covered in blood, so they called my sister in the middle of the night and asked her to bring him an extra set of clothes, telling her that he had "thrown up" on the clothes he was wearing.

While at the hospital getting his eye stitched....a superior officer came into the room. While there, my nephew...still being a wiseass....asked the superior officer....."look at my eye....you allow your officers to abuse people like this." With that, the superior officer said he was going to get a soda and when he walked passed my nephew....punched him so hard in the side of his head that he ruptured his eardrum and left him with permanent damage to his hearing.

They then told him that if he complained....they would charge him with assault on a police officer and put him in jail. He got a lawyer....they charged him with assault. He was scared to go to jail (because he's NOT a criminal) so they came to an agreement. If he would sign a waiver saying he wouldn't sue them....they would drop the charges. I wished he had gone through with it....I think he would have won. But he was too scared and signed the waiver.

Nice huh?

I suppose I should thank my boss at the time for the fact that I am not in jail myself right now, because it was all I could do when I heard this to not go to the police station and demand to know 'WHO THE FUCK WAS THE PUSSY THAT BEAT ON MY NEPHEW....and spit in his fucking face. I swear to God. I wanted to find his house and beat the shit out of his wife. I wanted to even go so far as to slap his fucking kids for good measure. Just he would know how it felt.

I had another friend, who was arrested for possesion of drugs. Whent he police came to his house...they kicked his chihuahua across the room. A CHIHUAHUA! As he was standing there handcuffed, he said to the cop...."you feel tough picking on a fucking dog". The cop then kicked him in the chest....breaking some of his ribs. When he got up....again being another smart ass....asked..."is that all you got?" The cop then preceeded to hit him on both sides of his face with his gun....breaking 10 OF HIS TEETH OUT OF HIS MOUTH!!!

Now you tell me.......

If you were a judge....and there were two people standing in front of you.....one arrested for vandelism......and one arrested for assult and battery resulting in a permanent 2 inch scar and permannent hearing damage.....

Which one would you think was a worse crime?

If you were a judge...and there were two people in front of you.....one arrested for possesion of drugs....and one arrested for assault with a deadly weapon...resulting in broken bones and 10 broken teeth.....

Which one would you think was a worse crime?

When I had a person stalking me....I called the police 3 times and everytime they convinced me that I couldn't file a police report because it was "his word against mine". It was only after I felt so helpless and didn't know what to do that I called a friend of mine that was a former police officer (and also a bit of a tough guy) and asked him to do something to this stalker for me. It was then that he told me to call the police back and DEMAND that they take a police report. He told me that it was my RIGHT to file one and the only reason they were telling me otherwise was to save themselves the hassle.

When I finally got an officer to take a report and went to get a restraining order.....I had to deliver a copy of the order to the station and the female officer (who are the worst in my opinion) on duty treated me like complete shit. She acted as though I was "bothering" her and made me feel like a burden for making her do her job....which only consisted of taking a piece of paper from me and putting in a filing cabinent. Maybe that was just too much for the fucking idiot....I don't know.

I've seen them lie. I've seen them steal. I seen them doing drugs. I've seen them drink and start fights with people and then pull their badges out when they're about to get their asses kicked. And I've seen them drive away drunk, at the end of the night.

I could go on and on and on...believe me.

I can't stand any one them. Fucking hypocrites.

Whew...it felt good to get that out!

February 3, 2007
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Wow, yes he should have sued. thats horrible.

February 3, 2007
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But also, out of the 100 cop arrests, what about the 99 of them that were appropriate? We hear about the one that wasnt ok and then we develop a bad impression of the whole police department. Thats not right. It was just a stroke of bad luck in case of your nephew. How common is abuse in the police? Thats what we should ask.

We hear the bad news only.

February 3, 2007
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Good question.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, but in my state...and particularly in my city....the police are bad.

Never mind what I see on the news.....like the guy that was shot in the head running away from the police for instance. They were called for a "domestic dispute". The police showed up and the man ran. Unarmed and running in the opposite direction...he was shot in the head. We never heard anything else about that.

There was also the woman who was strapped to a gurney in the local hospital, who was beaten so badly on her head the cop broke most of the bones in her face. That one was actually fired and prosecuted. There were so many witnesses and the woman was, after all, STRAPPED TO A GURNEY...that I guess they had no choice. Had that happened in the police station, however, rest assured...she would have been the one charged.

But like I said...we can forget about the stuff on the nightly news.....I can speak first hand of WATCHING police steal, drink and drive, do drugs, etc.etc. A lot of the cops in my town grew up in the neighborhood and remain friends with the "criminal element", so it's not uncommon for them to be hanging out in the local bars. Not to mention the stories that I've heard from my friend, the former police officer. The stories that never make it to the news.

I'm sure there are a few that are decent....at least I'm sure they started out that way. But 'round here...they're few and far between.

February 4, 2007
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I am sorry that you feel so much disrespect for the officer's lollipop. I have lost two great friends (officer's) in the line of duty. They were gunned down while doing their job.

I am not saying that all of the people in blue are honest, I am saying that there are those of them that give their lives doing what they consider to be right.

I have heard many people say cops are all liars and should be killed. Try looking into a small childs eyes after their fathers have been gunned down doing their jobs. Look at that innocent child and explain that their father was killed protecting another. Very hard.

Off my soap box now...1L1

February 4, 2007
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Hi 1lost1,

I'm sorry to hear about your friends. My heart goes out to you and their families.

I would never say that ANYONE should be killed. For any reason.

My belief as far as the police are concerned is this....if they break the law...they should be taken off the job, prosecuted, and put in jail......just as any other criminal would be.

hugs to you....

Lolli

February 8, 2007
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I read the article and it was not surprising.

What the officers did was wrong. She should have received medical treatment immediately. No matter what her arrest history was. They could have taken her to the hospital and waited while she was treated. Their behavior is inexcusable.

What if she had said her head hurt and then died of a stroke in her prison cell? Would we still feel that the officers were okay in ignoring her pleas for medical assistance? It's NEVER okay to ignore someone's request for medical assistance when you are arresting them. Taking them to the hospital means your paperwork is delayed and your shift may be extended. Is that worth someone's life?

I used to work in police headquarters in a major metropolitan area. They had more lawsuits over wrongful death than I thought it was possible to have. But they learned to listen when someone in their custody asked for medical assistance. Now they take them to the hospital and wait while they are treated unless they are admitted. If they are admitted there is a seperate protocol.

This was just a callous disregard of life.

February 8, 2007
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Hi Cyndra,

I guess that is it--it's professionalism. For me, as a nurse to hear about somebody requesting and being denied medical attention--by professionals....just makes smoke come out of my ears.

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