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January 22, 2010
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It's difficult if not impossible to find a televangelist that isn't a deceitful, hypocritical bigot. Fear mongers & thieves!

There are loads of them.

Familiar with John Hagee? Jack Van Impe/Rexella, David Mainse, Benny Hinn, Jim & Tammy Baker, Jimmy Swaggard?

..and the list goes on.

Lying to the people & robbing them blind. Just as Jesus would have wanted - right??

January 22, 2010
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Andi I dont' comsider it a threat. maybe trying to control like Marypoppins and Craigco said. i thot the people that made the request felt threatened but i cant' figure out why. i dont know this for sure Bitsy but it seems like maybe you respect Stronginhim77 because she says she is a minister n gives advice that works for you and helps you live youre life happy? maybe youve gotten better from her advice. advice based on her success in life. so maybe you admire her life cos her life is workimg for her or cos you like her intepretations about the Bible and Jesus and God. n feel protective of her. need to defend her. so maybe you pattern yourself after her n think its ok to tell people what to say n what not to say. heres the thing. i domt' know Stronginhim or you well enough to give the "respect" you think she (?) deserves. which the way i understand it is to change or watch what i say so she is not hurt or offended. At first i thot you guys were moderators but im' thimking youre not. im thinking youare people who have been at this sighte for a long time. if seniority rules around here then make a list for us new poeple and post it somewere. cos these constant sayings ... im off the thread, ive TRIED to stay off....then the coming back reminders ar e comfusing n it seems not worth the effort to have all this drama.

Andi what i have been trying to say n have been gettimg no respect from it is that we should be able to saywhat we want about religion Bilble n the Lord God. anywhere. anywhere in this country. i would respect a religious site . any religion. but i dint' know this was one. if somoene wants to use an abberviation, then so what? if i was to call someone a Xtheist or a Xgnostic, do you think these same people would be so up in arms about theproper use of th term? heck no. i doubt it. i have examined my concsience and i know i have not been mean to anyone hear. i have not called anyone names or told them they were rude or ill bred for having an diiferemt opinoin. that hurts my feelings to see people insulted n that way, but no one is caring about that. and i cant e xpect them to i am responible for my feelings no one else. . i havent come here corrected people stirred it up then backed off as if i were the victim cos i din't get what i wanted. im not sure why two people should govern what is said. that is if they arem't in a position of authority. at this sighte i mean.

January 22, 2010
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Im sorry - i posted on the wrong thread. my gosh.

January 22, 2010
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Somebody getting under your skin Xraig? You're appearing a bit obsessed now.

January 22, 2010
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Is trying to stop people from talking about religion, spiritual harmony, spiritual stuff, controlling?

I think so.

Do you Xraig? Just wondering.

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January 23, 2010
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Another 'Nutbar' for your review:

http://www.jackvanimpe.ca/

January 24, 2010
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God works in mysterious ways..some of these hypocritical evangelists have led tons of people to be believers and have changed their lives. I think that God uses these people regardless of their intent.

 

 

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January 24, 2010
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Oh geez, let the onslaught begin......."believers" in WHAT?

January 24, 2010
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2bhappy,

So, it's just part of the 'great master plan' - right?

You've gotta know deep down inside how ridiculous that sounds!?! If that was the case, then what a horrible, unreasonable, spiteful 'sack o shit' 'God' is. So many horrible things going on in the world & some choose to just believe that it's his will? 110% sheer nonsense. I see you haven't really thot about this with an open mind too much.

Hope your eyes can be pried open a bit in your future. Hate to see people flailing about in the pool of deception that Xtianity is. Drowning in their own psychosis. You deserve better.

January 25, 2010
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I'm pretty sure that Christianity is not considered a psychosis.

The way I understand it, horrible things going on the world is not the Christian God's will. It is the will of people. The Christian God's will is that we follow the 10 commandments and the Golden Rule. These are a blueprint for utopia. If as a whole we choose not to follow that blueprint, the responsibility for horrible things occurring does not lie with God. Or anybody/anything else for that matter.

Craigco, you say you hate to see people drowning in various things. I hate to see people drowning in anger and bitterness. It is a waste of precious time, and life, IMHO. To each his own, but will you just think about it for a sec?

Perhaps you've insight to offer regarding Christianity and other religions. I know I'd like to hear it. A hostile approach that shames and ridicules people for their beliefs surely is not intended to persuade.

It seems it's only intended to hurt.

That intention as well, is a waste of time, and life. There are spiritual people of varying degrees, and there are non spiritual people. All people have valuable insight to offer to another's personal growth and life path. We're all connected.

I'd like to hear from you. What has left you with this perception? Where is this coming from? I hope you don't take offense to this post, as it's not meant to be offensive. You're interesting, and I'd really like to understand what led to the development of your perspective.

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January 25, 2010
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Televangelists spend more than half of their air-time selling merchandise/pleading for money for money. Much more interested in lining their pocket books than saving anyone's soul. The majority of watchers are already Xtian and the televangelist's main focus is on controlling 'them'. Not bringing people into the flock. Can't see any loving (God) would want. Lessen they're on crak, er sumthin. lol

January 25, 2010
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Andii,

"Shame & ridicule people" - like the Xtian's have done throughout history?

There have been a myriad of posts re- the Xtianity debacle. Anyone reading them would know where I'm coming from. You want to think that I'm angry & bitter - that's ok. Think what you like. Doesn't change the facts.

Are you familiar with Richard Dawkins? (to mention but one) he demonstrates how delusional it is to have faith in this utter nonsense. On the lighter side try Bill Maher. How about D.M.Murdock. Now there's lady with a wealth of knowledge acquired through diligent scholarly research, onsite archeology digs etc. Born into a Xtian family but, she does not subscribe to the dogma. An expert in history & language. Don't know of a single Xtian around with the knowledge that she possesses who can refute her findings that prove what a hoax the whole Xtianity/religion scam is.

Sorry, can't be tolerant of thieves & liars. I've gone into detail about my opposition to Xtianity many times over, as have others here. We're tired of the attempts made at beating us back down. Those types will be met with resistance lest they walk all over us. Enuff of that! Xtianity is detrimental to our very existence as human beings.

We are all one with the universe. Yep, good point. No argument there. So, let's all get along, huh? Sounds great! Lots to be said for the law of attraction n' all. We could all stand to work on that.

Unfortunately that's not the message of the Bible. Xtianity/religion is divisive, obstructs one's abilty to think critically. It's about controlling people thru their thots and their pocket books - bottom line. The ancient 'fear & intimidation' tactic. It's worked for a long, long time. Too long, me thinks. I've endured that crap for much of my life. A bunch of brainwashed control freaks - nothing more. If you're are going to use the Bible as your source for truth, then as I've said before - you'll be showin up for a battle of wits unarmed. Doesn't take a whole lot of research to find that out. The Bible is truth because the Bible says so. ?? I think that's call 'circular reasoning.

So, now go ahead & continue trying to pick me apart. Quote a lil' fraction of what I may have said here or there. Focus on what may seem negative to you, how I don't put things sweetly enough & consequently you'll miss the whole point(s) - again.

If you are 'genuinely' interested in this stuff then research it. Coming to me with the same ol' biblical rhetoric won't accomplish anything.

Regards, Crg

January 25, 2010
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Acharya S, pen name - D M Murdock

Acharya specializes in religion and mythology, critiquing and comparing them, and providing unique insights into their origins. Although born into a Christian (Congregationalist Protestant) family, Acharya does not subscribe to any particular religion, nor is she a hardcore "atheist."

An article by Acharya S - "Abusing women is not religion."
from 'The Gospel according to Acharya S'

There are certain buttheads - subhuman cretins, really - on this planet of vast dementia who believe that subjugating, enslaving and torturing human beings who happen to be in female bodies has something to do with "religion." These morons like to justify their despicable and disgusting behavior by claiming it to be laid down by some idiotic god monster who is somehow pleased by this wanton abuse of "his" creatures. In addition to the pervasive and hideous brainwashing and psychological, spiritual and emotional abuse forced upon women that they are "inferior" and must serve basically as servants and slaves to their husband-masters, a number of cultures somehow finds it "godly" or "righteous" to physically torture women.

Read the rest at TBK-Abusing women is not religion.

January 25, 2010
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Murdock's thoughts on peoples misconception of her:

Many people think I am an atheist or anti-religious. I do not label myself either an atheist or a theist, and I have a tremendous appreciation for religion, so long as its meaning and origins are understood. Unfortunately, very few people are truly aware of the roots of religious ideology, so what we see manifested is often the 'pathology' of religion, and that is all I am really criticizing. The rest of my work is designed to show the great beauty of human culture dating back thousands of years.

January 25, 2010
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My mother has been a long time watcher of & donator to certain televangelists. Following her questioning me about a few of them, I did some research & provided her with the info I'd uncovered. Guess what? She's no longer willing to give them anymore of her money. Won't support the unveiled corruption.

Claimed that she's had suspicions for some time but, is now convinced of their fraudulent/destructive nature. Feels validated for second guessing them now, instead of feeling guilt about it. That's what the Xtians pump at you - guilt, guilt & more guilt.

She's still a fan of Dr Charles Stanley tho. Too bad, as he takes the bible literally - need I say more? I don't push her. Sweet lady, heart of gold. Love her to pieces. When she asks my opinion, however, I'll give it to her. Amazingly she's mostly ok with that. Nice to not have to hide it all anymore by feigning interest/belief in biblical scripture.

After a lifetime of Xtian conditioning, she is remarkably tolerant of some differing opinions these days. Not your typical Xtian fundamentalist by any stretch. Using her head now more than she ever used to. Thinking critically, which is key to seeing things for what they are.

I sure as hell don't have all the answers but, at least I'll admit that. Important to note tho, that an inability to disprove something does not mean that the 'something/religion' is based in truth.

January 25, 2010
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Let alone the fact that the actual roots of Xtianity HAVE been exposed for all to see. The fundamentalists don't want to see it though. They won't even look. Even in light of the mountains of evidence, they refuse to relax their power-hold on people. Still floggin folks with the verbal diahrrea.

Wake up people! ..or better yet "Grow up!" as Maher put it. BEFORE it's too late. If nothing else - think of the children!! lol 🙂

January 25, 2010
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Craigco, in your posts it just appears to me that you're angry and bitter, if you're not, cool. Maybe this is just your way of getting your point(s) across.

Truthfully, I can't find anything in your posts to disagree with. Yes I'm familiar with those you mention, and I've researched Christianity quite a bit, along with some other religions. They are interesting.

Some people really believe they have found a spiritual path in Christianity Craigco. I wonder if throwing all this stuff out there is going to change that.

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January 25, 2010
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All this 'stuff' is about 'thoughts'; that is, fanciful imaginings about supreme creator(s), causes, origins, journeys and the destinations of all that manifests, abides and then decays 'seemingly' into oblivion.

What about that largely unnoticed yet extremely powerful time between these myriad of thoughts; those small windows of opportunity to find out who we really are? A time that can be potentially devoted entirely to 'observing' without there being an 'observer', a time devoid of all thinking.

An associate of mine decided to have a brain aneurism, 'pulled the pin' and banged out of his body completely, last Thursday morning. Now some ownerless 'thing' lies on a slab inside a refrigerator without anywhere to go, or anything to do. Who is the original owner of that motionless 'thing' and where has that entity gone?

January 25, 2010
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Tez,

Hey Mr! Wondered were you have been. Trust all is well!?

You asked:

"Who is the original owner of that motionless 'thing' and where has that entity gone?"

Who knows for sure!? Hoping it's someone better than here. A return to that which he came from. A universal energy of sorts that we can't even begin to comprehend

Sure there are nice things to enjoy & appreciate in this world but, then along comes the suffering that's is inherent with being human. i.e. indentured servitude, aging, disease(xtianity/religion)

I think it's important for people to take a good hard look at things. Seems many have been lulled into complacency. Don't realize that what they think is going on out there, really isn't the case at all. Wasn't it Thomas Jefferson who said "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance" or something of that nature?

Sometimes it's good/necessary to speak up. Also important to not get stuck there and I don't plan to. Spending all ones precious time ever battling the establishment. Only a small fraction of my time has been spent addressing religious lies & corruption. Not unreasonable to believe that the world could be a better place if the likes of Xtianity, Islam etc. (not to mention the fed) could be done away with.

Just exposing a bit of it here. It won't last forever. Meanwhile no one's forced to read it.

I've always rather enjoy reading your thoughts on things. Hope you haven't gone Xtian on me!? lol

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Tez,

Wanted to mention that I'm sorry to hear about your associate.

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(((CraigCo)))

January 26, 2010
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Hi y'all,

CC, I don't think it's complacency really. I think it's just a lot of people who believe in________(fill in the blank) don't have or want to believe in anything else. Even when there's "evidence", it would shake their souls to the core if they REALLY started to look at it. It's too scary for them (and I'm not pointing to anyone in particular). That's all they have. To suggest otherwise threatens their being.

This may be a bad example, but here goes anyway. I've had a couple of people who have told me that they've seen a vision (or ghost if you will) in their room at night. They give details of what this vision looks like. Sometimes it even has spoken to them. They ask me (not sure why *I* get asked, HA) what I think it is. So I tell them that I think it's a spirit. And they respond with with NO, that's not what it is. They are the ones who actually SAW with their own eyes this thing. They weren't dreaming or anything. But they just don't want to accept that, THAT is exactly what it is. To do so would threaten what they have been taught. It's too scary for them. They are just not ready for that kind of info yet.

Tez, sorry too, to hear about your associate.

By the way, I WORKED on a few TVevangelist shows. As well as some Catholic ones. I've been behind the scenes, and let me tell you, all I can say is the Karmic wheel may turn slowly, but it does turn.

Ok, carry on.......

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Yea, I would have to agree that a lot of people are scared to death to let go of the religion they've clung to for years. Sometimes ya just gotta let the babies have their bottles. hehe

Re-your example, I hope I'm never so frightened that I refuse to look at the facts. Seems to me a waste of time to worry about the here-after too much anyway. Won't accomplish anything but wasting the small amount of time that we're given here on this physical plain. It'll be what it'll be. So, meanwhile we should try to relax & enjoy things as best we can, I suppose.

'Que sera sera' (I think D.Day was on to sumthin when she coined that lick)

D.Day? ha - sounds a bit gloomy. Sorry, Doris!

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