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November 29, 2006
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I have created this thread to see how all of you see Africa.

What do you think of Africa?

I am from South Africa and have always been interested as how others perceive this continent.

What do you know and how you feel?

Anybody

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November 29, 2006
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I saw Africa as open, spacious, with giraffes, lions, and jeeps! Then I became acquainted with you and you shared how it was a beautiful so I went online and check out the location you told me and began to have a desire to learn more about the world around me. I bought my granddaughter a interactive World Globe for Christmas! I want to learn more about this beautiful home Mother Earth. Great idea garfield!

November 29, 2006
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Thanks MJ

Yes we have lots of wildlife, but most are in reserves.

Just an hours drive from where I live is a beautiful reserve. You book you jeep and guide and enjoy a wonderful outing. They have all of the big five.

I am also a member of another site where expats from South Africa e-mails as to how they adjust in Australia, UK etc.

Most of them see Australia as in lots of ways similar to South Africa.

We are planning to go oversees as a family in the next 3 years or so. The problem is we already disagree as to where we would like to go.

I would love to go to Spain and Italy and so does my youngest daughter. The oldest wants to see America.

Thanks for the reply

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November 29, 2006
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Hmm

safaris, giraffes, blood, beauty, Nelson Mandela, aparthied.

You say you are an ex-patriot? Is this something like giving up citizenship?

November 29, 2006
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No i am not a expat. i just belong to another site where expats communicate with people from there birth country.

They tell us if is was a good or bad desicion.

Nelson Mandela, yes the most popular and famous person in South Africa. He is one in a million and we love him dearly.

Apartheid is something of the past. It ended in 1994 with Nelson Mandela being chosen as president, although i see apartheid all over the world still to this day.

I live in Kwa Zulu Natal. We have excellent wheather here and the coast is lovely. The Cape Province is awesome.

Do your self a favour and google Cape Town and especially Chapman's Peak You will be amazed.

Well its late and i am off to bed.

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November 29, 2006
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Garfield,

I have always wanted to see Italy too. My daughter did a report on it in Jr. High which was a lonnnngggg time ago. Yesterday I was researching an italian pastry, crostata. Learning about other countries is fascinating.

I envisioned Hawaii as a island where Hawaiians wore grass skirts and danced. When I arrived in 85, I was shocked that grass skirts could only be found in gift shops or the LDS center. Our perceptions color our realities.

I want to go to NYC too. Its fun to dream and plan. I hope your family gets to go everywhere that you want to even if it isn't on this trip!

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My opinion:

Within recent prehistory,
the ancestors of every human being alive on planet Earth today lived in Africa.

My opinion: We are all Africans.

November 30, 2006
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I didn't know that Africa was the 2nd largest continent until this morning!

November 30, 2006
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"I envisioned Hawaii as a island where Hawaiians wore grass skirts and danced. When I arrived in 85, I was shocked that grass skirts could only be found in gift shops or the LDS center. Our perceptions color our realities"

This is soo true MJ. Our perceptions color our realities.

Like you said its fun to dream and plan. The speaker at our childrens school's prizegiving today said how important it is for parents to help their children to set goals in life. This counts for everybody. If one has a goal and work towards it or a dream you will be a more positive person overall. Its always nice to have something to see forward to.

Worried_Dad

"My opinion: We are all Africans"

Thanks for sharing this. Its kinda weird isn't it?

Garfield

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Thanks for sharing this with me and others! I am setting goals for myself once again. They aren't big but manageable goals. Yesterday I went out and got my hair trimmed as a way of taking care of myself. That's my big goal: Taking Care of Myself.

I perceive that today will be a Good Day. Love to YOU Garfield

Hope you get others to share their perceptions here!

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Thanks MJ

I had my hair trimmed with highlights last week and feel like a new person.

It costs allot of money, but I only do it every 3 months so.

For December i am planning a facial and pedicure. Its been very hard for me to spent money on myself, but I am much better than a few months ago.

I do not blink when the kids need something. Not even the price. But if i buy for myself I used to always put it back and think no this is just too much to pay.

i have also started setting new goals again and I must say I feel good about it.

Thanks for your input

Love
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🙂 So glad to hear that it is working for you as well!

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Well the most obvious thing is and which saddens me and makes me angry too: Why cant Africa get its hunger and food problem under control? I cant believe that there's no solution to it. There's a solution to everything. Their leaders have failed, but what can we do - they're from the civilian population as well. Its just like any other country/continent gone wrong.

South Africa looks great though. I have a friend from there, jolly person she is. I really like international cultures. The variety is so interesting. What makes us different? Thats what I want to know.

I had friends from other places too e.g. Nigeria. I met only one girl but she was strong headed and no non-sense. I liked that. Other people are great too, Kenya, nice people. Now I'm judging a whole country on one person thats why it would be nice if I went and actually lived in these places and met a lot of people.

But anyway yea, the food problem is disgusting and pathetic. All thats needed to fix any problem is strong leadership.

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Wow Africa!!!! It is one of the most intriguing continents I would love very much to visit sometime in my very near life/future.

To me....Africa means Kind smiling, unconditional people, even if they live in poverty & difficult, dire circumstances. It is a land full of natural resources and sites to visit, explore, discover and visit. It is rich with history, animals both wild and tame, forests, grasses, tress, woods...you name, Africa got it.

I really dream and pray of visiting Africa sometime in the future. I do have African friends here and I can testify that they are one of the kindest, most generous, funniest, and merriest folks I've ever seen in my whole life.

If I could only visit only 1 African country, I would consider myself very lucky. It might be Kenya, Uganda, Ghana, Malawi, Zaire...I still don't know, but I would definitely love to go there sometime.

Please keep me in your prayers!

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Colonialsm has stripped Africa of its wealth, and you sre stitting on the results of it.

This is [art of South Africa's problem looking back some 300 years ago.

Then we have other problems and I can understand your frustration. I live with it. Out minister of health was nearly dismiised (I DO NO WHY SHE WAS NOT FIRED) because she said if you eat beetroot, lemons and garlic that that will cure AIDS: I mean, how ridicilous can you get.

Then we have Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe. If we have to give a Narcissistic prize out he would win. By far. My brother is in the printing industry and he has a big mat at the entrance to his business with a photo of Mugabe and the words: "Please wipe your feet twice" at the bottom. The people LOVE this and cannot stop buying it although its got nothing to do with his main business. Its just something he made to get rid of his own frustrations.

It makes me think of the guy in Russia who's made millions with his business of printed toiletpaper.

Each block of toiletpaper has the face of Sadam Hussain on it. He became a millionare with his idea.

Yes Guest_Guest i agree that strong leadership will solve SOME of the problems. AIDS is wiping out millions, not to talk about TB. Believing in witchdocters is not helping ether.

The people need to be educated on a higher level. Most of them can still not read and write. AIDS had a devasted effect on us and still has. Children of 8 and 9 years old run families, bc there parents have died. Its horrible and the problem has become to big. I also do not have answers, its terrible

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Fo yourself a favour and visit South Africa. Its a wonder ful country, and really affordable.

You said
"To me....Africa means Kind smiling, unconditional people, even if they live in poverty & difficult, dire circumstances. It is a land full of natural resources and sites to visit, explore, discover and visit. It is rich with history, animals both wild and tame, forests, grasses, tress, woods...you name, Africa got it. "

The people are unconditional. They are thankfull for far less than we are foe. i am very priveledged. Looking at them I would NEVER have been able to survived life. I would of killed myself, really. I swear.

There is allot to see and visit here. The animals are amazing though they do NOT walk in the streets as some people still believe.

Lots of people here have a very good standard of living. Lovely houses and good salaries. Not all is poor.

The standard of model C goverment schools is excellent BUT it also depends on where you stay and what you pay. SO this is another discussion.

I will keep you in my prayers I really hope that you could make a travel to Africa one of your goals.

Love

Garfield

December 1, 2006
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Hi Garfield,

As a kid of eight years of age, having been born in Scotland and then living in Australia for three years, in 1961 my Dad asked me and my brothers and sister, what we thought about living in South Africa. Looking at all the pamphlets my Dad had been given that were showing some of the most beautiful homes with swimming pools, and also with a servant or two, if we were to live in South Africa... was very tempting, I suppose. While being a sharp contrast to what we had been experiencing, my view was that I didn't think it was very good to live there (at the time) because it seemed to me that those poor servants were not being given a fair go... and any country that could just not care to look at that, was just not a place I felt I'd be happy living in. That was when I was eight and while I have come to really like South African and African people in general, I still have this notion of Africa as being a place where there are the rich and then there are the very poor, although not quite as drastic as it used to be. Maybe this has something to do with what you were meaning by 'another discussion'. Anyway, for whatever the reason was, we actually ended up living in New Zealand. Perhaps though - a holiday in Cape Town one day would be nice. Very best wishes Garfield.

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you said

"my view was that I didn't think it was very good to live there (at the time) because it seemed to me that those poor servants were not being given a fair go... and any country that could just not care to look at that, was just not a place I felt I'd be happy living in. "

I hear you. Apartheid was terrible in those days and things were not fair at all. That all changed in 1994 and we are now a democratic country. The laws on labour changed long before that.

Strange you say this bc I was on a tour in 1993. After one week in Paris I went to see Scotland. What a beautiful country. The Highlands - soooooo green. I still have a photo of me and the guide next to a big rock showing the border between Scotland and England.
Anycase I missed the visit to see the Crown Jewels in Edinburgh as I was feeling VERY sick that day. Did not know at the time that I was pregnant.

We were booked into a hotel in Glasgow at the airport. I remember the scotish girls cleaning the rooms and with me being sick I got a chance to talk to then. They HATED Margaret Thatcher and complained of being paid far too little. They looked undernourished but I guess its because they do not get as much sun as we do, I really felt sooo sorry for them. They were used and abused by the laws or lack of them at that time. I am talking 1993 so what went on in Scotland in 1961 I can just guess.

Every country has its problems. What we do about it I guess is what counts.

Our domestic worker is part of the family. She has one child that is you can say our 3 child. Her child stays with her grandmother in another town. This was her mothers choice but she visits us twice a year during holidays.

She has a lovely place she stays in. She gets a good salary. More than tripple the requered wage.

Love

Garfield

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Hi Garfield!

I have been to the continent of Africa 3 times and loved it!

The first time was to East Africa- Kenya and Tanzania- for a 19 day safari. When we first arrived to Nairobi, the city was deserted- few cars or people about- due to an aftermath of recent political riots. Against the advice of the concierge we went walking around and were soon surrounded by men w/ rather dubious intentions so we returned to the holel a bit unsettled. The next day we left on our adventure.

In the morning we were able to see the clouds unfurl from the Ngorogoro crater to expose its beauty. As we ventured in I had the chills over the excitement of seeing all of the beautiful animals in their natural environment. It was such a wonderful day I felt I could leave that day and be completely satisifed.

But every day brought such wonder. We also went to Olduvai Gorge where Dr. Leakey discovered the beginning of man. We went to a Masai village and saw some of their customs. I was awestruck at the striking beauty of the Masai women. I traded some hats and T shirts I brought in exchange for a blood gourd- one of most precious possessions now.

The vastness of the land, the beauty of Mt Kilmajaro, all breathtaking. Even now I can't look at a picture of something from Africa without hearing the sounds- the flocks of flamingos, the roar of the lions, the cries of the hyenas, the chatter of the monkeys, the charging sounds of the elephants.

I had opportunites to talk to people in the hotels which was great. They also love to interact and exchange w/ Americans. A Masai maid offered to make a bracelet for me and the next day she gave me a beautiful beaded bracelet w/ my name in the body of it. I gave her my Nikes. Very special time for me.

The contrast of poverty and wealth was also very striking. The outer areas of complete poverty and more opulent places such as Mt. Kenya Safari club- definitely the most exquisite accomodations I had ever experienced.

On our very last game drive we saw a cheetah stalk and kill a gazelle. Such a contrast of emotion to see the actual act of life and death. Very powerful.

Since I am in the landscaping business, it was wonderful for me to see many of the plants we use here growing in their native habitiat. Even now I delight in using a plant or tree that I saw there in a landscape. It just makes my designs very meaningful and special.

I have also been to Egypt- loved it- and one of the most memorable experiences of my life is the day I spent on a snorkelling boat- I was the only American- and I was treated like an absolute princess all day long. I was "adopted" for the day by a group of Egyptians on the boat who were so interesting to talk to- I was even serenaded by one of the women. The crew kept giving me free beverages and then had me go thru the buffet line first, as an honor. When we departed she said the most precious thing to me- that she hoped that I enjoyed my day w/ them and hoped that I would go home to the U.S. and relay that the people of Egypt want them to come and visit and to not be afraid of them. I started crying I was so overcome w/ emotion.

I also went to Morocoo 2 months after 9/11. This was somehwere I had always wanted to visit, and I have to say I wouldn't go back. Perhaps it was the timing but I was very afraid when I was there. I saw it as a very dangerous place, especially for women. I only remember one man - in a shop- with very warm and loving eyes that made me feel safe. Otherwise, I was on guard the entire time. We were even flipped off one day in the bus by some people on the road. Overall, I loved the things I saw, but it wasn't a comfortable place for me to be.

So- on my wish list of places I would still like to see in Africa- I would love to go to South Africa- would love to see the cape and maybe even do some sailing there. And I would love to go to either Uganda or Rwanda and see the gorillas.

Whew- I feel like I just wrote a book!

SD

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Great Book SD! I enjoyed reading your adventure!

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"I have been to the continent of Africa 3 times and loved it! "

Gosh, thats great. I have never been to any of the countries in Africa. (except South Africa of coarse) I have been to Franch and Scotland.

I would also love to see Kenya. The safari's I believe are awesome.

"As we ventured in I had the chills over the excitement of seeing all of the beautiful animals in their natural environment. It was such a wonderful day I felt I could leave that day and be completely satisifed"

This feeling is something words cannot describe. Seeing animals in their natural environment. I have done this many times, but EVERY time I go I get this amazing feeling over me. It fills me with peace.

"On our very last game drive we saw a cheetah stalk and kill a gazelle. Such a contrast of emotion to see the actual act of life and death. Very powerful."

You were privilegded over millions to see this. I have never seen anything like this. It must of been powerful and emotional. I can just imagine. Do you realise how lucky you were to see this?

"A Masai maid offered to make a bracelet for me and the next day she gave me a beautiful beaded bracelet w/ my name in the body of it. I gave her my Nikes. Very special time for me. "

Your nikes for a beaded bracelet. How nice of you, but then value is not placed in terms of dollars. Perfect example.

"I was "adopted" for the day by a group of Egyptians on the boat who were so interesting to talk to- I was even serenaded by one of the women. The crew kept giving me free beverages and then had me go thru the buffet line first, as an honor"

I am starting to change my mind here. Maybe Egypt will be my next stop. He he

This sounds great. Everybody deserves to be treated like a princess now and then.

"So- on my wish list of places I would still like to see in Africa- I would love to go to South Africa- would love to see the cape and maybe even do some sailing there. "

Sdesign, you will not regret it. The Cape is beautiful and so is the rest of the country. Set a goal and make your dream come true.

It was so nice chatting to you and MJ and a few newcomers on this thread.

Love
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Hi Garfield!

The safari was terrific and I was definitely wearing my lucky charm.

Other things that happened- we were told that the top of Kilmanjaro was rarely visible, yet when we were there the clouds had cleared and we had the full view- YAY.

Another day I decided it was time for me to see a python. It became a bit of a joke because I would tell the driver what I wanted to see that day and we usually would end up seeing it. This particular day though he said we wouldn't see a python as we would be in flatlands and would only see the tree lions. Well guess what- slithering right across the road was a huge python!!After that everyone wanted to go in the same van w/ me- I was a good luck charm- hehehehe.

Another great thing was that the wildebeast were migrating in the Serengeti and Masai Mara- WOW! They were early that year due to early rains- wasn't expecting to see that at all- and that was the most incredible sight. And the sunsets were GORGEOUS.

I would recommend Egypt to you, for sure. The people were terrific, as well as the sights of course. Hotter than blazes though. I always like to talk to shop keepers anyhow- its fun to interact w/ the locals. Got pretty friendly w/ a Nubian man for a few days in Aswan, met a really cool guy from Sudan. It is just so much fun to talk to people from other parts of the world and get their perspectives. And it felt safe there- although we had an armed guard with us at all times, were sometimes police escorted while in the bus, and the military is in sight just about everywhere you look. Going over to Sinai is also worth the trip- if you like to snorkel the Red Sea is the most beautiful water in the world.

I just got back from India last month and had another rare experience. I really wanted to see a tiger. Two years ago I was told a tiger sighting was nearly impossible. When we went last month, we were told it was a 30 % chance of seeing ONE. Well we went into the park in the a.m. and 10 minutes later we found a tigress lying right there in the road ahead of us. Thrilling! So we went again in the afternoon and the park was nearly empty. After a while we saw another tigress in hunting mode- it was awesome- watched her for about 45 minutes moving thru the trees until she finally found an unsuspecting deer. She was stalking it for a long time and we were on the edge of our seats- but finally the deer picked up her presence and got away- whew! We were so thrilled to not only see one tiger but two- lucked out again!!

Its great to have somewhere to talk about my experiences on this thread!! Not everyone wants to listen to travel stories.

Maybe next stop WILL be South Africa!

SD

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Forgot to say....HI Mj!!

SD

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Garfield ~

Thanks for your lovely reply and thank you for keeping me in your prayers.

Talking about South Africa is another story. It is the paradise of Africa and I have ment many people who went there or who live there and who swore that that there is fabulous.

I believe when I think of Africa, the 1st country that comes to mind - esp in terms of tourism is definitely South Africa. May be the rest of Africa is in dire poverty and need - but not South Africa. I know many people from my country who go there for fun and tourism. And it is beautiful - in particular - since you have no snow or very chilly weather. Another great asset is the simplicity and kindness of the warm and sweet people there. To me these kind folks are the greatest asset in any country.

Thanks again hon!

~Ras~

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