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January 6, 2008
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Hi Free,

Have you ever heard the term "the lesser of two evils?"

It's like that.

January 6, 2008
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Oh yeah I've heard that term wd.

That's why it doesn't matter if ya vote R or D.

You're voting for the same thing, and that's what you're gonna get.

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January 6, 2008
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Sure it matters--because for the last ten presidents, the Republicans consistently fielded the greater of two evils.

The modern republican party is dedicated to evil as part of it's first principles.

Maybe one day, if they change that, I might vote republican, but until the do, it's "dial (R) for evil."

January 6, 2008
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Did you read anything I wrote above wd?

i didn't think so

try it

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January 7, 2008
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Well. Alot of people feel the way you do wd, both democrat and republican. They think each other is satanic. In this country this belief is important, as it polarizes people into D or R, kuz Satan is bad. People don't want to "throw away" their vote, so they will gravitate to one side or the other (D or R versus independent) based on policies not affecting global domination, such as abortion, stem cell research, public education, etc.

Truth is, Illuminati don't even believe in Satan. Lucifer never fell to earth and is God, the Angel of Light. The stories of Lucifer rebelling against God are meant to teach rebellion against oppression. The symbolism leads to free-thinking. Independent formation of beliefs.

One world government will end all wars, all famine. The masses will be controlled and civilized. They can hold individual religious beliefs, but won't be able to use them against one another to harm, maim, kill, or oppress. Medical and dental care will be available to all. It's not Communism, it's one world government by the educated and intellectual elite.

This isn't Satanism.

But it IS what Republicans and Democrats are voting for in this country. You voted Iluminati in the last election, and you're going to this time as well. So did the Republicans.

You call it Satanism. But Republicans are calling you the same thing! Especially the conservative religious ones who see abortion and embryonic stem cell research as evil.

Ronald Reagan- ended Communism as a global threat. Who WAS he? find out. don't say he's satanic kuz he was a republican. That's being controlled- don't be controlled. WHAT drove him?

Barrack Obama- came out of nowhere and in 24 hours raised half a million dollars- how? Who IS he? Who is behind him and why?

I'm not trying to convince you to vote Republican as you seem to assume.

Vote how you think is best, but never vote according to what you are told to do. don't be controlled.

that's all I'm saying.

And wd, I can't help but notice, you refute nothing I say and respond with only "Republicans are Satanic"- as if it's an automated response.

Now where do you think that automated response is coming from? I'll give ya a hint: it's not identifying you as one of the educated intellectual elite.

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January 7, 2008
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Free,

There's no need to Patronize me--and I don't feel a need to refute anything you have to say--I am fully aware that the big forces in politics go beyond one party or another.

And I stand by what I have said. Evil influences both parties--but one party is open and flamboyant gleeful in its embrace of evil.

What passes for "populism" in any Republican platform appeals to xenophobia, fundamentalist religion, racism and homophobia--that's the only way they get any votes at all except from wealthy people.

Haven't you noticed that I am somewhat of a free spirit, and not tied to any particular version of "political correctness?" Look at my record on gender politics and domestic violence, religion, not to mention pornography--and I don't allow anyone to shame me, or shout me down.

It's pretty hard for anyone to "control" me these days.

Really, I have never heard a Democrat express the same opinion about the Republican Party that I have. Certainly not Obama--and I definitely hold that against him.

Obama is all about celebrating what we have in common and bringing us all together. That makes me wanna puke. What this country needs is a divider, not a uniter--and I don't mean "divider" like that jingoistic, lying sack of crap GWB.

I mean someone who will have the guts to stand up and really point out the actual, honest-to-gosh differences in our perceptions, values and desires and how those get made into policy.

p.s.

You are under the impression that Regan "ended Communism as a global threat?"

Puhhhleeeze.

What Reagan did is bring us THIS close to global nuclear war, and thanks to him, we still aren't out of the woods.

Reagan did however, end "the American Middle Class" as a threat. Those middle class sons of bitches are on their way out like the dinosaur.

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I think that it is kind of funny what is all shaking out these days.

Folks coming out of their "political closets" and all.

I've heard stories about republicans coming up secretly to Obama and saying - well, I'm republican - but I like what you have to say....and likewise....democrats coming out of their own closets to Ron Paul and saying....well, you know....I am a democrat.....but I really like what you stand for.

Could we possibly be at a crossraods at history where the normal two-party (status-quo) system has grown tired and given popularity and support to the other parties....mainly Libertarian and Green??????

I'm thinkin....probably so!!!!!!!

Though I can not recall right now - can someone enlighten me as to any other instance in the past where 3rd and 4th parties gained ground?

What was the other party in the past?

It wasn't republican or democrat....what was it? Something, something "whigs" or something?????

Great to learn from the past.....

January 7, 2008
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wd

True, one party is overt, the other covert. That's by design I say. But to call Republicans Satanic after what I've posted about Hillary is the pot calling the kettle black.

You stand by what you say- so be it, the glazed look in your eyes and the automated response. That's Illuminati influence. Doing the groupie thing is what makes us one of the masses. And yeah, you're easily controlled. Ah, well.

truthb- Ross Perot was gaining a great deal of ground for the Independent party at one point until he did a political no-no.

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Ross Perot was the only one....back in the day...that had the BALLS to tell the American people that NAFTA was NOT A GOOD THING for the American people..............

(I don't keep a whole lot in my jewerly box - but I do have a Ross Perot for President button" quietly tucked away there...........)

Maybe John Edwards has the necessary kahoonas!!!!!!!

Damn shame that the "media" has tried to paint a picture of him being the "radical" "maverick" candidate.....but according to his experience as a trial lawyer.....he knows first hand that greed is not something that can be compromised and must be dealt with head-on!!!!

Gotta give him credit for that!!!!!!

At first, I was taken with the absolute charisma of Obama - until I realize - (and to which Tavis Smiley himself finally admitted that he doesn't really take a strong position...one way or the other)....but is rather looking out for his best means not to step on any toes as it might lessen his chances for perhaps a vice-president candicity.

Personally - I kind of think that it is refreshing and new to see a black and a women run for president....but unless this candidate truly represents my issues.....to my mind....it rather falls short in that my sense is that it does not represent MY ISSUES that I see day after day etc.....and to tell you the truth....I just get a shiver down my spine when I see Hillary because she is one of the most "power-hungry" candidates that I have seen to date. You can see it in her eyes.

Frankly.....it scares me!!!!!!!

January 7, 2008
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"Haven't you noticed that I am somewhat of a free spirit, and not tied to any particular version of "political correctness?" "

somewhat yes. In the political arena you're a groupie. Not that that's a bad thing. But it's not free thinking and it's not free spirited. It's controlled.

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January 7, 2008
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Umm, because I despise the character, the policies and the actions, and the consequences of the last five Republican-led administrations, that makes me a groupie?

Isn't it maybe, maybe just possible that I am telling you the TRUTH when I say my political leanings have to do with the fact that:

*I don't want to perish in thermonuclear fire.

*I don't want the atmosphere to heat up until molten sulfur flows in the street

*I don't want to see kids going without healthcare.

*I don't want half a generation of black American men to spend most of their lives behind bars.

*I don't want mothers around the world to threaten their children with "be a good boy or else when you are asleep the Americans will come to get you!"

* I don't want to live in a country, like the one I live in now, where everything I type on the internet--like this very post, is being recorded by the government, like it is being recorded now. Oh, and I want them to stop logging and listening to EACH AND EVERY PHONE CALL like they are doing now.

*I don't want to live in a country where it is legal and common practice to grab a citizen off the streets, transport them to Syria, have them held without charges, incommunicado and tortured for years--for no darn reason at all--in fact I would like the law changed back so that me typing this post is no longer considered sound enough legal reason to do that to me.

Is that too much to ask, Free? That I not have to live out the rest of my life being tortured in a Syrian prison? Does the fact that I don't want that to happen to me, or to you or to our children make me a "groupie?"

Randi Rhodes showed me a nice turn of phrase tonight on her show. She is looking forward to a time when we talk about not "right and left," but instead address "right and wrong."

And when it comes to extremes, you are talking about discerning the difference between good and EVIL.

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wd, with all due respect, it seems you haven't listened to a word I said.

The difference between the two major parties lies in social areas not affecting global policies.

The presidency of this country is held by the Illuminati and they dictate this country's global policies. One party is covert, the overt, you can take your pick, but you'll get the same global policy.

Barrack Obama isn't your next president. If by chance he succeeds the White House, he will be assassinated and it won't be because he is black. He is being used.

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And yes, wd, Ronald Reagan DID end the global threat of Communism. That was his JOB.

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I just think it's amazing how all these conspiracy theories abound, somebody anonymous tells ya how it is, and you don't wanna hear it.

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January 8, 2008
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And finally wd, as far as government monitoring goes, there are certain words and themes that will flag your post, and they'll only be flagged when a certain number of views occur. You can probably figure out what they are.

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Free,

Did you hear me when I said:

"I am fully aware that the big forces in politics go beyond one party or another?"

Did you hear me when I said that Obama "makes me wanna puke?"

Did you hear me when I said that this is not about "right and left," but instead about "right and wrong?"

Free, I am doing the best I can to keep my emotions steady and be steady with you in the face of a *wee bit* of name calling and *more than a wee bit* of patronization on your part. Or, to be politically correct, in the 1980's Lesbian sense of the word, I ought to call it "Matronization."

And I have not responded in kind.

I am asking you to address the idea that I, WD, have just given you three WD quotes which I believe prove that I have not only been listening to you, but that I knew what you were talking about before this thread was created.

Responding to my request would be a sign of respect.

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Oh, I am pissed off, but still trying to maintain.

Free, the Domestic Spying thing I have complained about: That's not a "conspiracy theory."

Whistler-blowers have come forward. Lawsuits have been filed. Cases have been heard, and defendants have been sentenced to prison. Others have been found in contempt of court and in contempt of Congress. Articles of Impeachment have been brought before Congress.

All that happened based on real sworn evidence, including public records. It's all there in the congressional record. And in the public statements of our elected leaders. And it is eternally recorded in Federal Law.

When you cross me on this one, you seem to be saying, and I paraphrase:

"Anyone who believes that *just because* the Congressional Record shows that certain Bills establishing Federal Laws were passed,that those laws were actually passed, is a "conspiracy theorist," and their main problem is that they do not understand that a super-secret, all-powerful organization called the "Illuminati," founded in 1776, has been in total control of our government from day one. Those of us who believe that an all-powerful super secret organization called the Illuminati have controlled our nation since its inception however, are not conspiracy theorists."

Am I paraphrasing you correctly.

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Oh wd, someday in some life we're gonna have wild crazy erotic sex with flavored oil on a warm no-sheets waterbed. Now that's a sign of respect. I've not been with many men.

Yup. In a world where there's no Presidents.

In a jungle on an island like the show Lost. You like that series? I LOVE it. It's enigmatic. and so are you.

yes I heard you. Okay, you heard me.

I don't mean to name call. I assume you are referring to my use of the word "groupie." Well, you use the word "Satanic" and evil and aren't considering that name-calling. I've been trying to point out that it is, and these words are used by both parties to polarize people. "Satanic" is the worst thing you can call somebody in this country.

And yes, many republicans dub D's as satanic since they support abortion, embryonic stem cell research, two major no-no's in the social arena for many conservatives. Especially the religious right. Islamic extremist countries think we're satanic- you heard the guy- talking about how "WE don't do THAT in OUR country"- referring to homosexuality. The term "Satanic" is a bad name to call somebody.

"Satanic" is a SILLY name to call somebody who doesn't even BELIEVE in Satan. Illuminati government leaders do not believe in Satan as I posted above.

President FDR was a democrat. World War 2. Why is he considered an Illuminati puppet? do you know? Curious-er and curious-er I become.

I'm trying to share things with you wd. It seems like you're not getting it, and I'm getting frustrated.

But we're gonna doink in some life on a warm waterbed with flavored and chocolate scented body oils nonetheless. Don't tell me you hate chocolate.

hey, speaking of chocolate- I found "Cocoa Shell mulch" and put it all over in my yard and my yard- it's very zen with a koi pond and green house and aged wood shed and pine trees and ferns, etc- my whole yard smells like CHOCOLATE!

Cool huh?

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oops wee cross posted.

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uh no. You didn't paraphrase correctly. I don't even get what you said.

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The Illuminati has not controlled our country since its inception. There's been a merger with the masons, who designed our country. It was originally one nation under God, and soon it will be one globe under God.

That's what the New World Order is.

And that's what Democrats and Republicans vote for.

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Furthermore, there's nothing super-secret about the Illuminati. or the Masons. Or Skull and Bones (kids in college coming up through the ranks).

It's all open. Public. Out there.

For everybody to see.

But only the educated and intellectual elite are even interested.

In theory anyway.

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January 8, 2008
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I'm not pissing you off.

I'm scaring you.

sorry.

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Free,

I knew you were going to say that.

Free, This thread is about American Politics.

Please, do not use sexually humor or humorous flirtation language when we are trying to talk politics.

That kind of response triggers me and I feel sexually degraded and sexually humiliated,

American Women have been complaining about this for decades.

When I talk politics--DO NOT refer to me as a sex object.

It totally blows me off kilter.

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WD--just curious

What is your take on the theory of the Republicans wanting Obama to win---

many theorists from both sides and several people from the African-American community feel that the Republicans are secretly helping Obama get the nod because they feel it will be an easier win than over Hillary.

What do you think?

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