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NPD & Religious Leadership
January 23, 2006
11:28 am
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Do religious leadershave severe NPD traits more commonly than political or corporate/business leaders?

January 23, 2006
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zinnia,

I don't know enough religious, political, or business leaders to be able to answer this question. There are all types of people in all three of these organizations.

I'll be curious to see what others think. (BTW, rest assured; I won't be playing the "fundamentalist" on this thread.)

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January 23, 2006
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Maybe we don't need to stick to people we personally know, but look at public figures?

January 24, 2006
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zinnia,

If we don't know them personally, how are we to tell if they became religious leaders to fulfill NPD fantasies or to perform a calling they sincerely feel they have? Half the time, I don't even know my own motivations for doing things!

I'm not trying to cause waves; I question whether we can even know the answer to this question.

Although I'm a Christian, I don't necessarily believe that all, or even a sizeable proportion of religious leaders, got a true calling to do what they're doing, so I'm not trying to defend anybody.

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January 24, 2006
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This is soooooooo interesting for me.

I think allot of religious leaders have NPD. The politics and corporate also, but I will stick to what I know.

My father is a big N. He is also very religous and was a elder in our church for 35 years.

When I started therapy I came to realise about Narcissim.

My father was emotionally abandoned as a child. The church became his 'mother' figure. The members would give him all the love and the attention he so graved. What his mother was supposed to give him.

He also in return would visit his members every night. He served them and they served him in a way.

So I grew up without a dad. He always took care of others, but his own.

Narcissist need a Higher Power to survive, as they cannot take authority from man.'
But when it comes to God I think its just too overwheming. I do not know

Just a thought

Garfield

January 24, 2006
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just a brief exchange here-one time in alanon, i heard some one say that preachers were the ultimate in codependency. (dont know if they are or not, but i have never forgot it)

January 24, 2006
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Guppy

Please explain better.

I am the dumb one here.

Just joking. 'but I have never forgot it'

Say more

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January 24, 2006
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seeker,
NPD is not aobut motivation. It is an illness, with traits that can be observed. If you ask a true NPD about motive, he will not have an answer, because motive is usually connected to some form of emotional connection and NPD lacks the ability to have such connection.

I know that people use the term "narcissism" loosely to refer to selfish and manipulative personalities, but there are many reasons why a person might be selfish and manipulative which don't all involve NPD.

January 27, 2006
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zinnia,

I really don't know. I wouldn't know how to judge if someone is NPD or not, without taking some time to observe them, and I don't have much extra time to spare.

Mind if I ask why you are interested in knowing if religious leaders might have some tendency to have NPD?

January 27, 2006
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I am not sure. I see so much that is good in belief systems, but churches always seem to become so much less healthy than the individuals at the lower levels.

I really am fascinated by the connection between our choices in worship and our social consequences.

January 28, 2006
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Garfield,

I was fascinated about what you wrote and your knowledge of N's. My stbx is one and he craves the same attention in various arenas. You seem to have done quite a bit of work and made progress with all you have learned?

Smiles,
Hope

January 28, 2006
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hopeinhim

I have been in therapy for 2 years.
It has changed my life.
I had to get answers. That helped me to heal.
The worst problem that I saw with my father is the lack of empathy and emotions.
Being in such a relationship can be devastating. He has allot of good qualities. People love him and think the world of him. (on stage)
Problem is they are not married to him. This is a different story.
My mother was a mother-figure in their relationship. It was not a normal man women relationship.
They divorced after 36 years.
He remarried another women that is again the typical mother figure he never had.

Garfield

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