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Night time anxiety
July 22, 2008
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I feel really anxious most evenings, once its dark really. I start to have panicky thoughts about life and death and people I love dying ( I know, very depressing!). I m in a wonderful relationship with such a lovely man and have a very close relationship with most of my family and good friends. I ve been taking cipramil for anxiety for years now, I m 34 and since my early 20s on and off. Most nights I have to take some kind of sedative to avoid having a panic attack which are so scary and disturbing. My doctor reccommended a therapist to talk through all my feelings. I went to one about 3 weeks ago, spent about an hour discussing all my feelings and at the end he said he would nt be meeting me again, that it was their procedure to initially meet with someone for an 'assessment' and then place the person with a suitable therapist. I wished I had been told about this before because I felt really deflated after spilling my guts out to a complete stranger that i d never see again.
I m just looking for some advice from people who ve maybe had similar feelings to me. I would love to see a day where I could relax in the evenings and not have to take medication.
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July 23, 2008
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July 23, 2008
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Dee,

A lot of people find the evening hours hard. I've heard several explanations for this. Some believe it is because our body rythms begin their decline to the sleep mode. (ie. how you feel worse after dark when you are sick or not feeling well) and others believe it is because we don't have the environmental stimulus that we have during the day to take our minds to a different place. When we are alone or trying to rest, we then begin mulling over our problems without being interupted.

Do you also have bad dreams when you do get to sleep? (I suffer from this as well)

Are the thoughts you are having rational thoughts or irrational ones?

These are some questions that a good therapist should be asking you. I know you feel betrayed by the "assessment" and that you shared such an intimate part of yourself with someone only to have to do it again to receive help. Like doctors, therapists have their area of expertise. This doctor might have just given you a "specialist" when he/she is just a general practicioner.

Sharing our troubles with others is very difficult because it requires trust. I think this therapist should have let you know up front how their practice works, but I hope you do not let this derail you in getting help.

Hang in there...

July 25, 2008
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Hi aliceinwnderland,

Thanks for your advice. I dont actually have bad dreams normally, just get panicky late at night. The thoughts I have are rational in some ways cos they are about the afetrlife etc but also irrational because I m healthy and well.
I did feel a bit detrayed by the therapist and did nt think it was very professional of them to tell me after the appointment. I m in the process of trying to find a good therapist, the strange thing is I feel so fine during the day that I often feel I dont have a problem until the dreaded night comes again. thanks, Im hanging in there!

July 25, 2008
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dee1,

You said you have thoughts about the after life. Have you discussed your feelings with a minister? I do think you need to continue with therapy but also talk to a minister.

July 25, 2008
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Hi Dee.

I think my ex-wife suffered from something like the phobia you describe. Hers was a severe phobia to flying in aeroplanes.

Just before we split she had to fly from Australia to the USA to be with her dying Mother. When I took her to the airport, her phobia was full on. She got to America in pretty bad shape and unfortunately a doctor over there gave her a year's supply of something which she apparently started taking by the handful. I don't know how long she had been abusing drugs like this.

Anyway, when she returned to Australia, I suggested she see a doctor about the problem. The doctor sent her to a counsellor who sent her to a women's refuge who convinced her that I was the problem. She left the marriage immediately with no explanation.

How powerful are the drugs that you are prescribed? Do they have any nasty side effects? I know so little about drugs or indeed the phobia attacks that she was having.

I do know she went to visit my sister in law who has a huge drug problem. She stole some drugs out of my wife's purse and got hi. This was the second time that this had happened, even though my brother-in-law had asked my wife never to bring drugs into his house.

There just seems to be a whole lot of coincidents that I do not really understand. The other suspicious factor is that as soon as my wife went to the refuge, she has steadfastly refused to discuss anything with me. She has also surrounded herself with people who will believe her story about me and they also refuse to hear my side of the story. Others who believe me are being rejected by my wife.

I suspect that the drug therapy has gone horribly wrong for my wife and she is on a rapid road to tragedy. Her daughter hates me and is feeding her rejection of me.

Does anyone know anything about the side effects of these prescription drugs?

July 27, 2008
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Unfortunately, modern medicine hasn't reched the level of sophistication required to enable any particular drug to target a specific area of the brain responsible for problems. Medications simply saturate the brain with specific chemicals that somehow manage to bring about symptom relief. I know that that seems rather vague, but apparently that’s the way it is.

The result of this saturation is the problem of side-effects. Medication given to relieve a particular symptom can also cause other unwanted symptoms.

The good news is that side-effects are usually mild and typically disappear within the span of a couple of weeks once the body has become accustomed to the drug or after cessation of use.

But I've read that there are some exceptions to this. Some psychiatric medications can cause psychiatric episodes like idiosyncrinatic reactions(behavioural characteristic peculiarities) or manic behaviours. We've all probably heard how the combining of medications with alcohol can even be lethal.

Has she ever had enough time sober for you to notice any positive changes in her thinking?

Crg

July 27, 2008
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Wiz,

It's too bad that psychiatric medication has such a special appeal to it. An appeal that is seen more and more in todays advertising.

Rather than go through all the hard work of monitoring ones feelings, thoughts, and actions, why not feel better without having to do anything at all? Why change your lifestyle? Just take some pills a couple times a day and go about your life as usual.

It's sad that psychiatric medications are not curative. That is to say that the medications merely suppress the unpleasant symptoms for as long as they are taken. When a person stop taking the medications, the symptoms will flourish again in full strength.

So, unfortunately it not that easy and only the hard work on ourselves can resolve the deep unconscious issues that are lying behind the symptoms.

Anyway, I'm sure I'm not telling you anything that you don't already know. Just felt like communicating.

Crg

July 29, 2008
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Hi,

I was away for a few days and was so pleasantly surprised to see a few more people had answered me! Made me feel less alone with these feelings. 'thewall', no, I have nt discussed these feelings with a minister, I have thought about it, I could try to speak to a priest i suppose, my Mam is really spiritual and at times when my anxiety was at its highest she tried to give me some spiritual thoughts and help, at the time it helped but once I was alone again the panicky feelings take over. I m taking cipramil, I m trying to cut them down to every second day or third day but everytime I stop them completely I get really bad, you are right, craigco, they just help the problem temporarily but are not really dealing with it. I m sorry WofAz for all you ve gone through, Im not sure about the side effects, I feel drowsy sometimes with the cipramil but the alternative is so bad that I need to find something different before I stop completely.
Does anyone know anyone who has been preoccupied/feared death? Its such a difficult subject to talk about with people as its quite morbid, I do believe in God but my faith waivers when I see so much sufferinig happening to lovely innocent people in this world. How does God let it happen of he loves us so much? I just find it hard to understand...

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