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August 13, 2010
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Yeah
me too. G'nite!

August 13, 2010
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Craig, you're personally attacking me, not discussing. It
sounds like what you want to have is a conversation only with those
who agree, and put down anyone who thinks differently instead of
discussing the issue. I'm withdrawing from further interaction with
you for my own well-being.

I welcome chatting
with others about the issue.

August 13, 2010
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Dont
we have the driver's license. That should be the ID card, shouldnt
it? Really no need of having all these multiple ID's. They should
have one and only one.

August 13, 2010
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Andi,
Al Qaeda is about as related to the organization wishing to build a
facility in lower Manhattan as the "kill the fags" Baptist church
that does those protests is related to Mother Theresa.

Fundamentalism is
what attacks and kills. Not religion.

August 13, 2010
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(((Craig Co)))

August 13, 2010
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Chnia
Doll you said "So, how are they tracking me?" Everytime you apply
for credit, apply to open up utilities in your name, a bank
account, all the information is being recorded in a credit base
then accessed by TRW, EXPERIAN, Transunion. DMV records, marriage
and divorce records, any public record is public. Huge companies
have other companies that work for them that can access anything
and everything that is in your credit report and on public
records.

It is like a ball
of tangled yard to try and unravel it all.

August 13, 2010
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Andii
you said "we're at war with a predominantly Muslim country and
we're letting them build a Mosque at Ground Zero which is
traditional for them- to build a Mosque on conquered territory."
Unbelievable.

August 13, 2010
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Chinadoll, someone I used to work with went through pretty much
the same thing as you...

Bottom line,
unfortunately, we live in a world now where tracking is needed --
to protect our nation, to protect ourselves, to protect our
property. If everyone and everything went off the grid today, it'd
be anarchy. Looting. Killing. Rape. Attacks. It wouldn't have been
that way when this was still the Natives' land. It's funny we call
TODAY'S society "civilized society", isn't it, when you think about
it?

Thanks for your
service to the nation.

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Guest_guest -- I agree. That was the second point I made a few
posts back. States HAVE ID systems in place -- we don't need to
reinvent the wheel!

August 13, 2010
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CraigCo,

Thank you for your
seniments. Yes, it does really suck. I can't even get into an
apartment on my own, my credit is shot. The previous rental house I
got into, it was a private rental. I explained to the landlord my
situation, so he let me sign the lease without a credit check. All
he had was my word and some faith.

I can't even get a
credit card again (not that I need one, but just the fact I can't
get one). So I use debit cards and cash for everything.

There's a lot I
can't do cuz my ID has been compromised. So I just do the best I
can. It's fine. I'm in the military, I'm used to going without.
Some of the happiest times of my life was when I could fit all of
my belongings into a duffle bag, and a rucksack on my back. Keeping
it simple.

Everyone have a
blessed day!

August 14, 2010
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The
link given by Craig takes you to a video of Ron Paul talking about
it (of course). Here it is again, because, it is
important:

It is also
important that we know the agenda behind the ID card, It is a step
leading up to getting us all "chipped". As Ron Paul said, the card
will probably have an RFID chip in it, if not at first, it will
surly in time.

Congressman Ron
Paul has a websit with a lot of onformation on it. He also "owns"
the Campaign for Liberty and that website (run by supporters) has
masses of information. ALSO: Every week, Ron Paul has a message to
his constituents. It is called "TEXAS STRAIGHT TALK". You can
listen to it on line OR on the telephone (he gives the phone number
after each commentary). Here is the link:

http://www.house.gov/paul/

Again I advise
watching "America: Freedom to Fascism" Congressman Paul is in the
film. There are newer films, but I think that is enough for one
post.

August 15, 2010
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Hey
folks,

Just read 1984 if
you haven't already. I believe so much of our information is public
anyways but government attempting to control people in this manner
is frightening.

August 15, 2010
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formerly,

Yes, all worth
looking into. People can see the difference between what they think
is going & what is 'actually' happening behind the scenes. Good
we agree on something! :>)

Also, check this
out people:

The Obama
administration is seeking authority from Congress that would compel
internet service providers (ISPs) to turn over records of an
individual's internet activity for use in secretive FBI
probes.

In another
instance where Americans are urged to trust their political
minders, The Washington Post reported last month that "the
administration wants to add just four words--'electronic
communication transactional records'--to a list of items that the
law says the FBI may demand without a judge's approval."

Under cover of
coughing-up information deemed relevant to espionage or terrorism
investigations, proposed changes to the Electronic Communications
Privacy Act (ECPA) would greatly expand the volume of private
records that can be seized through National Security Letters
(NSLs).

Constitution-shredding lettres de cachet, NSLs are
administrative subpoenas that can be executed by agencies such as
the FBI, CIA or Defense Department, solely on the say so of
supervisory agents.

The noxious
warrants are not subject to court review, nor can a recipient even
disclose they have received one. Because of their secretive nature,
they are extremely difficult to challenge.

Here the link to
the full article:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/i.....;aid=20599

August 16, 2010
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Well
I don't need my tax dollars that should go toward medical, upkeep
of public lands, payment for services and infrastructure (
including the hefty paychecks and perks Gov officials get) a
stripped down military, funneled toward Big
Brother-Babysitting-pseudo- parental role the gov. wants to enforce
upon us.

I don't need
the gov dictating what i do or attaching assorted "baby moniters"
to my persona. Some people want it? fine, but i vehemently oppose
these controls and feel i shouldn't be punished if i don't want
them. I won't eccept guilty before proven innocent either. I have
an SS card, Drivers licence, passport TYVM.

I wont' get a
chip bank card. My bank keeps asking me but I say I'm happy with
the one i have already. ( they want more expedience to increase
their profits? I'm not making ANY interest lately. Where's my
reward gone?)I have 1 credit card with a chip that i hardly use.
Yes Chips already exist in the U.S. passports, Credit and Bank
cards.......do a search for what is chipped in your country. Our
cards and Id's are already being chipped without our
vote!

They're just
telling us they're gonna do it and it's done.

That's what all
this National Id card, chipping stuff is. Us adults need to be
monitered and controled if need be. It's easier for them? If NEED
BE> You misbehave your chip is "shut off' or they know exactly
where you are and what all your habits are. It's already bad enough
we have all our info collected and passed on to Corps so they can
telemarket us while we're at home having dinner!

Latetly i use
cash for all my purchases. I get tracked less that way. If a store
askes me for personal info i decline.

I'll talk to a
Ma and Pa proprietor happily but a Corp manequin cashier asking for
personal stats? ( postal code, phone number? NOPE!)

I'm not making
it easy for them. Why do things get easier for THEM and harder for
us? Keep saying YES and it's gonna get harder.

Nope not for
me. I am a grown up and stay out of my f'n personal business and
everyday life unless u are invited!! Don't call me at home during
the eve hours either. I won't answer.

Firstly it's
about our commercial activities then it will be about what they
deem "criminal" What becomes criminal is an area getting so much
larger for us working folk when the rich get away with so
much!?

Speaking out
against tyrany ammounts to being criminal now. Can't protest or say
no? Everyones rights are being dismantled one by one til they are
nearly gone. They ARE nearly gone. Tensions within opposing sides
are mounting.

Info wars
right?

Get it? OUR tax
dollars. and people are being brainwashed, fear mongered into
acting like they have no say over their hard earned $$ and the fees
they pay for these creeps. They don't even get pissed about how
their $$ are spent!LOL What we should do for ourselves we're
handing over to the PTB.

They have made
lifelong babies of so many citizens.

'Take care of
us" whilst we suck our proverbial thumbs ( sooth ourselves with TV,
gambling, illegal and legal medications, The seedy side of the
internet, SHOPPING!)

They're ALL
FIRED!

Time to
restructure.

And YES CC the
gov is trying to stretch their tenticles into Cyber space. They
want to censor it and prevent us from sharing the
truth.

Already the
interent is swarming with "agents" Homeland security puts a lot fo
funds into monitering activity already. Even employing so called
"patriots" to sculk around discussion forums, take info then try to
shut certain sites down ( or just threaten/intimidate the site
owners) It happens on a social policing level ( we all saw what
Elam wanted to do) or the authroties step in with the real threats
( Marc Emery is a Political prisoner, for selling pot seeds which
was a legal Business operation paying taxes!). For the most part
they just try to control conversation and marginalize those that
try to spread the word about the global elite, puppet politicians
and their egendas. They want to get rid of diversity so it's easier
for them.Decide who you buy from and what you buy.

Intimidation
passes into law cause people go "I'm all scared of "terrorists"
please protect me"....LOL Our Governments ARE the
terrorists.

Yea I get
pretty passionate too when some of the public are enabling this. I
am not ok with that either. I'm not being very NICE?

Well too bad.
That's how i feel when some people align with these freedom takers,
making my life and theirs harder and with less
opportunity.

If u don't want
to run your own life, invite these parental organizations to
dictate everything you do, FINE. But be a part of the movement that
takes away my ability to run mine, have control over MY life, then
that pisses me off.

Us folk that
bitch about( or even bring up the subject of corruption) the PTB,
Globalization, The World Bank, religion, Gov. activities, unjust
Wars, taxes, the ever growing list of "statutes" , fees and FRAUD
are the problem right?

I'ld rather be
in the company of those who bitch about it all, on occasion, cause
i know they have mine and everyone elses best interest at
heart.

( ok Is my
computer going to act up now? Har har.)

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Another article about what happens today and HOW we got
here.

>>>Part
1: Deathbed confessions, photos support claims that George H.
Scherf(f), Jr., was the 41st U.S. president

"........

A thought
problem

Imagine you were a
member of a secret organization whose sole agenda was to control
the entire planet. If your plan was to accomplish this goal without
being perceived by your intended victims, discretion would be
paramount. Your organization would devise a series of historical
events that, on the surface, would appear to be everyday,
happenstance occurrences (natural disasters, man-made diseases,
acts of murder, assassination, terror, manipulation of money and
energy supplies, contamination of foods, pollution of natural
resources, and war). The timing of these events would require
patience, careful planning, cooperation from others in positions of
trust, stealth and deceit. In essence, the whole mission must
derive its power through deception and concealment and must have a
master plan.

Who were the
designers of this master plan? Follow along as we connect the
dots."

Read the whole
piece here.

http://www.whale.to/b/april_20.....idaho.html <<

August 16, 2010
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Mista
Craig,

Thanks for your
contributions to the site.

((Craig))

August 16, 2010
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CC:

"The Obama
administration is seeking authority from Congress that would compel
internet service providers (ISPs) to turn over records of an
individual's internet activity for use in secretive FBI probes.
"

the problem I have
with this one is wireless activity. There's always access- no
matter where I'm at with my laptop there's somebody with their
internet wide open, log in and I'm off to do whatever I want to do.
But what I do is under THEIR ISP. this is becoming quite a problem
as incorrect people are accused of criminal activity. Child porn
perverts thrive on this.

MsG:

Terrorists unnerve
me. Our government does not do what they are primarily supposed to
do: protect from foreign invasion. The Muslim countries that
terrorists are from are bad governments. they are not for the
people and human rights are an issue in these countries. They
should not be permitted to continue. IMHO One might aregue that we
have no right to interfere with a sovereign nation. Well Nazi
Germany was a Sovereign nation. Should we have never intervened?
sometimes we have to. Not only for the people who are unlucky
enough to be born there, but for our own protection. There will be
no peace with radical Muslim countries, they've made that clear,
until we turn radical Muslim and enact Sharia Law.

andii

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gotta
second the hug!

(((Craig)))

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((Ms-M))

August 17, 2010
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(bev)

Nice that you
appreciate it.

August 17, 2010
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(andii)

The US actually
helped Nazi Germany fund WW2. As I've mentioned before, wars are
never started for the reason the the people are given.

Wonder why? Follow
the $.

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Craig. Sure do.

August 18, 2010
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M,

Couldn't use that
link you'd provided re - that article. Can ya help??

Cc

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On
Iraq, Dept of homeland security,occupying other countries, and
FINDING OUT WHY THEY ATTACKED US ("BLOWBACK")... etc.

The documentary
film "Why We Fight"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....SUAEZdb-dw

John Purkens'
interview ("Confessions of an economic Hit
Man")
____________________________

1984 was mentioned
in one of the above posts, (I watched the movie on youtube) I
wanted to also recommend "Brave New World" and the followup book
"Brave New World Revisited":

" Description When
the novel Brave New World first appeared in 1932, its shocking
analysis of a scientific dictatorship seemed a projection into the
remote future.

Here, in one of
the most important and fascinating books of his career, Aldous
Huxley uses his tremendous knowledge of human relations to compare
the modern-day world with his prophetic fantasy. He scrutinizes
threats to humanity, such as overpopulation, propaganda, and
chemical persuasion, and explains why we have found it virtually
impossible to avoid them. Brave New World Revisited is a trenchant
plea that humankind should educate itself for freedom before it is
too late."

Gotta
Run

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Hey
CC. Take those 2 arrows off the end of that link. I use the
"arrows" to indicate the content comes from a webpage.

http://www.whale.to/b/april_20.....idaho.html

(Another mind
blowing read)

andii. There is no
Government sponsored Middle eastern/Islamic army occupying the
west. Every culture has had grass roots uprisings against their own
governments and invaders.

Sorry but our
countries were founded on divisive measures, murder, broken
treaties, slavery and theivery. I don't think thats anything to be
proud of.

We act so damned
entitled. IMHO.

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