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August 11, 2010
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Coming soon!? We'd better hope not!

Libertarians are
obviously against it due to the infringement on peoples' privacy
and recognize the potential for it to be used as a powerful tool to
strengthen the rulers grip on us all. Xtians liken it to the mark
of the beast. However one looks at it, I can't see it as a being
good thing.

Those trying to
push it thru claim that it will eliminate the illegal alien probs.
Yea, that's their reasoning. lol How about just actually enforcing
the already existing immigration laws for once?! Should it come to
pass people won't be able to work or even make everyday basic
purchases without this card. There go the rest of what's left of
our remaining civil liberties. The very prospect of it should scare
the hell out of anyone with half the sense god gave a
goose.

But...the majority
of US citizens (no surprize) are apparently either unaware of it or
don't even care. Wtf?? Arrogant uniformed bunch of boneheads! Not
enough savvy to even recognize what's coming their/our way. They'd
rather watch reality TV, consume poisonous food/snacks & eat
prescription drugs.

Wakey, wakey
folks!!! Shit IS comin down the pike, headed staight for your
clueless carcass.

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Do
you have a link where I can learn more?

I'm not a reality
TV watcher and in fact read some sort of news each day, and I've
heard of some sort of enhanced NY license to get you to Canada
without a passport...is this related?

I see where some
would feel a "national ID" an invasion of privacy -- but the truth
is, I don't feel quite safe WITHOUT my ID. I've lived in NYC pretty
much my whole adult life, and one thing that was told to me from
the get go was to keep that license, even if I choose not to drive,
because I'd never know when I might run into trouble and need
it...

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CC-
Complete and total government control over our lives. Yep, it sure
is headed each and every one of our ways. No where to run no where
to hide. Like living in a fish bowel.

GPS can be planted
on anyones car without them knowing it. Everyones information is
being stored in computers that can be accessed in a matter of
seconds. Hell, go on Zillow. com and see the satelite pictures that
are being taken of your home, and yard, without you ever even
knowing about it. When ya drive there is a camera at every traffic
signal taking clear shots of you and your license plate numbers.
Its so damn easy for the police to come and kick your door in even
without a search warrent. What in the hell is going on? And what in
the hell can we do to stop it???

August 12, 2010
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Oh
this is infuriating!

We already have
national ID cards- Social Security Cards! We have birth
certificates! We have State ID cards and State Drivers
licenses!

If you're illegal
what r they gonna do? NOTHING - just like they already do! Get
pulled over with a suspended license and ya go to jail, get pulled
over as an illegal, ya get a citation and sent on your
way.

This is not about
controlling the influx of illegals.

this is the first
step in barcoding and chipping people. Then it will be all
gps'd.

gps will be able
to track you.

IMHO

At first I though
well no way- I'm not getting a national ID card. But I'll bet
they're just going to be shipped to our addresses. I filed
taxes.

andii

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Destiny,

Yea, like a fish
bowl. Good metaphor. I know that you don't buy all of the bs that's
being fed us and that you can see what most won't. I still get
funny looks from those whom I've had discussions with about this
type of stuff. They 'believe' in the government & think I'm a
kook. pfff - whatever! No of them will even look into it mind you
so, their views are based on nothing but popular opinion. Mentally
as lazy as can be. It's reassuring, however, to see the growing
numbers of people that ARE finally becoming aware. All folks have
to do is stop complying. Of course that's not something that is
going to happen over night but,it IS happening so, I haven't
completely lost faith in mankind...not just yet.

C

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crystal h2O,

Just google
'National ID card'.

Here's a link to
Ron Paul's battle against it in congress. It's been defeated so far
in about half of the states but the fight isn't over
yet.

Note the news
anchors reluctance to let him finish answering her questions.
That's main stream news for ya. Owned buy the ptb. Never going to
hear much truth about worldly affairs on the ol boob
tube.

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crystal,

Oh, I'm not sure
about the NY licence thing.

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CC-
Social security cards are supposed to be used for tax payer ID
purposes. If you do not supply everyone with a copy of it you are
denied the ability to rent, or buy a place. You cannot even get
public utilities hooked up, open up a bank account, etc. WTF????
Why ID anyone for public utilities and cable. The solution is
SIMPLE. Same as pre pay cell phone. Make people pay a month a head.
Dont need all their personal info. If they dont pay shut the
services off. Dont need copies and files of their drivers licenses,
social security cards, and bank account information. It is all
BS.

Then you refuse
and buy a motor home. Park it anywhere and live in it and you will
get a police offier banging on the window, pulling you out of it
like you were a criminal and giving you an ticket and making you
move. Even on your own piece of land. Most counties only allow
homes on land. Of course any land owned has the owners named filed
and easily accessed by anyones computer as well as the
location.

Then if we
assembly and have a peaceful protest the police will come with
batons, mace, etc. and child protective services. Arrest people and
take their kids away.

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andii- The illegals will come out ahead on this one, cause only
the US citizens will be forced into the program.

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andii,

Well, if you do
get a card in the mail then just nuke that sucker!

Yep, barcoding,
chipping & gps. It would seem to me that that's the way it
would play out.

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Hey
Craig,

I can't access the
Ron Paul vid from where I sit at my temp assignment, but I did
google it and found a page with links to varying opinions on the
matter:
http://theweek.com/article/ind.....rd-in-2010

I have two
thoughts:

1) I don't see the
idea as an invasion of privacy because quite frankly, everything
about us is databased already anyway. Handing an employer your I-9
docs and signing off on authorization for them to do a background
check is fairly standard at this point.

And that's just
the government. Think of all the info we unwittingly give to
marketing firms, retailers, etc...

I don't know.
Maybe it's a symptom of my age (under 40), and/or the fact that I
live in NYC where ID and even bag checks have been routine for
nearly a decade since our World Trade Center was attacked. I'm
certainly not a stupid person, Craig. But I fail to see where I'm
being violated by all this.

2) Having said all
this, I DON'T believe we need the federal government to spend money
on reinventing the wheel. We have state IDS, we have immigration
processes, and we have labor laws. Enforce the labor laws, fine
people hiring illegals at $2/hr, try sending aid to Mexico to help
impoverished villages instead of to the Middle East so people can
kill each other, and make it tougher in general to enter the
country...these are some of the things that the government can do
to curtail illegal immigration, AND to better screen those trying
to enter legally.

That's my two
cents...

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Destinystar --

Why does it make
you uncomfortable to have your info on file with a utility
company...or to have your ownership of a plot of land be public
record...etc.? As I said to Craig...it could be my age or my
background, but I just don't see why this sort of thing could be
viewed as a violation.

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I do
not care to have where I live, who I married, divorced, what
assests I have a matter of public record. If you go out in public,
and a stranger learns your name, what town you live in that is all
they need to know to find out personal information without you even
giving it to them.

Believe it or not
many employees who have access to the publics private information
have given it to the wrong people.

I would like to
decide who I allow to have information about me.

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"Believe it or not many employees who have access to the
publics private information have given it to the wrong
people."

Oh, I believe
it...for sure...I worked with someone once who was haunted by an
identity theft incident for years.

In terms of info
on public record though -- I'm of a mind where I'm willing to give
up some privacy in order to stay safe. The NYPD sets up tables at
subway stations for random bag checks, and I'm glad.

Recently there was
a guy who planted a car bomb next to the Viacom building in Times
Square because he was pissed off about South Park...an alert street
vendor saw the odd-looking car and told a cop and thankfully it was
defused. My boyfriend works in that building, for another
company...nuff said to convince me to give up some of my
privacies...

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"I
would like to decide who I allow to have information about me.
"

me too! But I
think that went out years ago...

CC, I do suspect
that with the national id cards will come certain requirements,
such as to renew your driver's license you need it, to access a
bank account you need it- pretty much if you're not going off the
grid, you'll need it.

Like a social
security card. I hate those so much. But we need them to apply for
a job, credit, etc.

Seems also that
national id cards will only fuel identity theft. Drug runners and
money launderers are going to want them.

andii

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crystal,

You'd rather
sacrifice freedom than oppose the card? Are you kidding me? That
very mentality is what the ptb are counting on.

Are you a frikin
agent or something!?? You are so far behind in your thinking about
the status quo that you think you're in first. lol

Where to even
begin with addressing such a ill concieved notion!? You think they
really give a flying fuck about your safety?? Wake the fuck up!! Do
some research!! Do not conform to tyrants- EVER!!

Give your head a
shake, sister!

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Beware of the Immigration reform bill!!

Embedded in
Senators Lindsey Graham's & Chuck Schumer's "Comprehensive
Immigration Reform Bill" is the groundwork for a National ID card -
complete with biometric tracking technology - for EVERYONE with a
job in America.

If passed it would
require every American to obtain the card to work legally in the
U.S.

Biometric tracking
- Hello people!?!! Don't fall for this bullshit!

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(Destiny)

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Doesn't make sense CC. One already has to have a social
security card to work legally in the U.S.

didn't the pilots
who flew the planes into the twin towers and pentagon come here
legally as well? I remember seeing/watching/hearing/reading
something about them actually obtaining a pilot's license here. I
mean really, we're at war with a predominantly Muslim country and
we're letting them build a Mosque at Ground Zero which is
traditional for them- to build a Mosque on conquered territory.
Different subject, but relates in the fact that a national ID card
isn't going to bring safety to Americans. That's just not
realistic.

andii

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As a
previous victim of ID theft, if I could go off the grid, I would.
Unfortunately, I'm in the military, and our SSN is used for ID and
tracking purposes.

I do not have
FaceBook, Twitter, MySpace or any of those kinds of social network
pages. I value my privacy & anonymity and I have no desire to
let the world know what I am doing every minute of the
day.

Many times, I will
withdraw cash from the ATM and shop for what I need with only the
amount I take out. Not only does it keep me on a budget, no one
will be tracking my debit card transactions from which stores I
shop at to know what I buy and where I was at 4:47 p.m. this
afternoon.

Once, I went to a
video store about 3-4 years ago, wanting to rent some DVDs. They
required that I give them my Social Security number to open an
account. I refused, and they said, "well, you can't open an account
if you don't give it to us." I said, "it was nice doing business
with you today, I won't be back." and walked out. I didn't need to
watch the movies that bad.

It's been over 4
years since the ID theft, and I am still trying to straighten out
my credit reports. Collectors still call, demanding payment for
those unauthorized accounts. I've changed my phone number probably
4-5 times since then, but somehow, they have found me, and I did
not give them any of my new information. They send bills to my P.O.
Box, that I recently got, and I was living in another state when
this ID theft happened. So, how are they tracking me?

I guess the saying
is true, you can run but you can't hide.

I wish they would
hunt down criminals this hard. They never prosecuted the person
that did it. It was done over the Internet, back in the day when
security measures were not so strict, so it became a cold case. The
person opened up credit card accounts and loans in my name using my
personal information. All they needed was name, SSN, and date of
birth, pretty much. The police pretty much told me that they had
more important cases to solve, they wouldn't do more than take a
report.

I had a strong
idea that it was someone I knew, and they knew my information, but
I did not have anything more than a "hunch" to prove it. He said,
she said.

Just goes to show,
you can never be too careful. You think you know someone, think
again.

If this is how Law
Enforcement wants to treat a servicemember, basically "sorry, but
oh well", I hate to think how they treat average joe citizen. I
have plenty of friends in LE, so I am not bashing. I have a LE
background myself, so it makes it all the more frustrating. Not
that I think I am any more entitled to anyone else who gets
victimized, but I'm just saying...

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Wars
aren't started for the reasons that the people are
given.

Staged attacks
throughout history such as 911 conjure public support to go to war
thus advancing the rulers agenda. Expansion of power &
control.

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CC,
do you think 9-11 was staged?

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chinadoll,

How unfortunate
for you with the ID theft. That has got to suck. I've heard about
it but have never known anyone personally that has been a vitim of
that crime.

Yea, I've lost a
lot of respect for the police force. They are much more interested
in generating revenue (tickets for victimless crimes) &
oppressing people than they are in justice. "To serve &
Protect" no longer applies. They seem to have lost sight of
that.

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andii,

Definitely -
without a doubt.

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Must
sleep now. Busy days ahead.

G'nite
kids!

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