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My turn on the soap box!
May 4, 2005
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I came to this site because I discovered I am textbook codependant and, because I am a codependant....I love a good drama!!

I came here because wanted to talk to other people about my recovery and healing. It was a safe place to be...supposed to be non-judgemental forum where we are safe to share our experiences and fears.

It has been exactly that. Recovery is an incredible thing...it has changed my life to such an extreme that I can't even begin to articulate...I have learned tools, techniques and coping strategies that are contributing to my peace of mind. I am grateful for these awakenings, and would like to be able to share them with whomever is interested, be it here or in a 12 step program.

I just can't get on board with all of the drama over the SC's decision to limit religious teachings...

Recovery and 12 step programs are very clear in separating religion from spirituality, with very good reason. They are very 2 separate and distinct entities. Christianity was not, IMHO, singled out because the SC is anti-Christian. It's because it was the predominant religion permeating the discussion...if there were a bunch of Buddhists on this site sharing and teaching about Buddha....or Muslims, or any other religion, the message would have been the same.

There are many paths to a God of "our understanding"...religion is just one path...Christianity is one fork on that path. There are others as well.

Too many times, the good message of Christ gets lost in the kafuffle...I have met so many anti-Christians who don't know anything of His teachings...they may quote other great teachers (like Buddha) but never Christ. It's the Church and some of it's members that have soured their stomachs, and He gets lost in the process. This is sad to me...but I was one of those people at one time as well, and I would not have stayed on this board with all the religious talk, This would have been even sadder for me because my life is a fucked up mess, and I need all the support I can get.

Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad....these were incredible teachers on how to be human, compassionate and to love each other. It's the message they carried that needs to be shared...not the instrument (ie- religion) they used to propogate the message.

It is essential to the success of recovery programs to limit talk of religion so that all memebers can feel safe to share. Why is it such a big deal to do the same thing here? If you were in a Coda or Al Anon meeting, and were quoting scripture, you would be asked to refrain. I see this as being the same.

I don't blame people if they want to leave...it's just too bad. This is a great site for people recovering from codependancy who need help and support, and it is very easy to share God's message without teaching Christianity. There is great healing taking place within the confines of the Support Threads....there are people in pain and lost and confused. They have come here to be heard, to share their stories, their pain, to seek advice, to talk to people who have been in fucked up, dysfunctional relationships, to find out they aren't alone. We don't need Bible scripture to support them....I don't need Bible scriptue to support me!

It doesn't offend me that people have talked religion....I am actually Catholic, if you can imagine admitting such a thing in this day/age/forum! I don't feel the need to teach or defend my religion, my Church- it just happened that I find many of the rituals and prayers in Catholicism have helped me to tap into my Higher Power's energy...but live and let live- it's definitely not for everyone.

Anyways...I'll get off my soap box now and humbly retreat to the Support Threads board, where I can get back to the focus of my life....extracting myself from a bad marriage with a bad man so that I can get on with my life and maybe, God-willing, have a shot at being happy again. And maybe somewhere along the way, I can help someone else to do the same thing...the way so many people there have helped me.

Just my own 2 cents...and since I'm Canadian, that's probably only worth about 1.6 cents US....

As they say in the 12 step programs..."The opinions expressed here are that of the person who gave them...take what you like, and leave the rest"

cheers
kc

May 4, 2005
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kc, 12 Step recovery based at AA are separated from spirituality..the 12 Step program I teach and went to, is based on spirituality and some will not go to the other because they choose the spiritual program instead.

Best to you, omw

May 4, 2005
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Kc, Omw,

I was once ministering to a woman who had female fiends who were recovered alcoholics. They were attending AA meetings. Since I was free on that day, I attened an AA meeting with them out of curiousity.

First, the meeting took place in church hall. Second during the meeting, they were talking about "Higher Power" which means God/Spirituality. Third, they had every one witnessing about their own story on platform in front of every one how they were healed and recovered. Each one who witnessed was using the word "Higher Power".

Almost every body is using Spirituality in healing/recovery programs and is aware of its effective resolution.

May 4, 2005
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I was once ministering to a woman who had fiends who were recovered alcoholics. They were attending AA meetings. Since I was free on that day, I attened an AA meeting with them out of curiousity.

Sorry, I meant a woman who had male friends.

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