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Murder/suicide in dublin...anyone got an opinion??
February 15, 2006
5:31 pm
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Hello All,

Well, the whole of Dublin is talking about the tragic death on sunday of a mother and her two children.

In a quiet middle-class suburb just a few minutes away from where I live, a 41 year old woman, stabbed her two young sons to death and then slashed her own wrists. Their bodies where found on monday when the husband returned from a business trip in the US. One can only imagine how he will cope with this, its unfathomable.

The details emerging are that the lady had suffered from depression in the late 1990's but had long since finished her treatment and was not on any presecribed medication at this time. She allegedly locked and bolted all the doors in the house, brought her sons aged 9 and 6 into the kitchen. locked the kitchen door and used three knives, the youngest child was first stabbed in the back as he struggled to get out of the kitchen and then the oldest was stabbed in the face and body, there was a struggle as the papers report that the walls, doors and windows are covered with the boys bloodied hand-prints. The woman then apparently slashed her own wrists before knifing herself in the throat, all three bodies were found side-by-side.

The papers here are full of pictures of the two boys in happier times, messing around with their pals, they look just like 1000 other kids from Dublin, that I see playing on the street after school, every day. They just look like everyones kid, they look like my own 9 year old nephew who lives in the same suburb as them, with the unruly hair that just won't stay neat! and the mischievious twinkle in their eyes! And now today, after such a tremendous fight for their lives and at the hands of the woman they loved and trusted and depended on most in the world, they are in heaven.

The conversation in every house and every office in Dublin the last few nights has been "What must have been going through her head", "What was going on in her mind", "Did she just snap?", "What would cause someone to do this".

This is the 5th such murder suicide in Ireland I believe in the last few years. The last was in 2005, when a young mother threw herself and her two young daughters off a peer in wexford and all three drowned.

I'd like to hear your opinions on this...I'm not a mother, I have suffered from depression, but can't fathom ever doing something like this....I'd love to here opinions from my wise friends here on this subject.

February 15, 2006
7:26 pm
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How Tragic

That makes me feel so sad for those children who must have known that their mother who is suppose to love them is attacking them with a knife. I am devastated by this.

February 16, 2006
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tragic story but I don't live in dublin. I don't know anything about this.

February 16, 2006
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Completely & utterly terrible. I can't even bear to contemplate it for more than a few seconds at a time - I get too upset. The mother was probably either on hard drugs or else otherwise severely mentally unbalanced / psychotic. Please give us any explanations if any emerge. Not that it would make the tragedy any better though :(((((

Please try to focus your thoughts & emotions on positive things, dear Rev. I don't mean to sound trite, but if you're anywhere near as sensitive, emotionally imaginative / empathetic as me, then you would need to flee from getting too bound up in these poor, poor people's horrible tragedy - for your own tender sake. Suffering for them will not help them any, & may damage you further with its sheer dreadfulness, that we are helpless to amend.

BTW, I love Dublin & have visited often. (My ex-hub is Irish.) I was last there in August. Isn't that 'millenium spike' needle-thing weird! Not a single word about it at the base, nor anywhere in O'Connell Street! Wonder how all that new building along the Liffey will look by next summer!

Big hugs, & do take good care of YOUR OWN heart. Love, gazelle.

February 17, 2006
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Hello All.

Kathy, I found your reply quite dismissive, if you don't have anything to say about this, then don't post on the thread, because, to me that felt like an attack, it felt like you were belittling me for starting the thread.

I don't live in Massachussets or London, but I still have an opinion on the recent story in the news on Neil Enwistle's extradition to the US on the charge of killing his young wife and baby daughter in cold blood. It saddens me, and makes me ask why.
All I was doing with this thread was just trying to see if any of the more wiser people here on lib brew could offer any insight professional or otherwise into what would be going on in someones head to take their own childs life. Thats all.

MJ and Gazelle, yes it is very tragic. As per usual with a lot of stories like this in Ireland, the powers that be are trying to brush this under the carpet so to speak, it tends to happen a lot for whatever reason, probably because it would highlight the complete incompetence of the whole area of mental health services and social services in Ireland. Its sad, because such a tragic and frighteningly frequent event deserves more scrutiny in order to stop it from happening again.
The lady must obviously have had a relapse into the depression that she had recovered from in the 1990's, obviously which ever healthcare professional that treated her and decided she was "cured" was wrong.

February 17, 2006
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revelation,

I am sorry you felt that way. The truth is I am so upset and deeply affected by these kinds of situations I can only take so much.

I did feel some anger when I saw the title to this thread which upset me in itself. Just hearing the word 'murder' scares me. I was angry that I had to hear that word here when I hear it enough on the news in the U.S.

I feel overwhelmed by all the horrific murders and brutal crimes I hear about here in the U.S. as it is.

I really didn't need to hear about MORE such events happening in other places. I can only take so much.

Its not about you, its the topic and my reaction to the topic that upset me. In no way was I dismissing you.

February 17, 2006
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I feel similarly, Kathy. I'm extremely sensitive to people's sufferings, but that applies to me wherever they take place. Location is irrelevant to me - so I don't understand your initial comment here.

Whether some horrific happening is in Dublin, America, Europe, the Levant or ( like the recent mud-slides) the far east - I feel equally shocked, empathetic, deeply upset & - probably the worst feeling of all - helpless. If only I could do something to help, I would.

But just reading / hearing about / watching endless tragedies whilst having no power to prevent them or help the victims just eats me alive & leads me into impotent misery, dismay & depression.

So, like you Kathy, I tend to avoid what I sometimes (probably wrongly) perceive as people wallowing in or almost enjoying shocking people with terrible news.

I'm referring to the whole News-media-machine that seems so socially acceptable, at whatever cost to human sensitivity & suffering. Lots of it seems like gloating or Schadenfreude to me. I've taken to avoiding TV over the last few years, & simply hearing the basic news on respectable, less-sensationalist BBC radio.

I wonder why either Kathy or I clicked on this thread at all???

Hope you are feeling better, Kathy. And Revelation too. Hoping we learn to understand ... Love, Gazelle.

February 17, 2006
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I felt a strong need to say something because I felt so affected by the title to this thread.

I did not read the intial post because it was so upsetting to me.

The only thing I did wrong was not be honest about how I felt when I first replied to this thread.

I do, most certainly care about these things no matter where they happen I was only saying that I'm already on overload with dealing with these things in my own country that I can't take on hearing about them in other countries, not that I don't care!

I'm trying to stay away from news programs that report these horriffic crimes because they really upset me and make me feel like the world is a dangerous place and then I feel scared.

The title of this thread scared me so I felt I had to say something.

February 18, 2006
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I am so sorry Rev for this horrendous murder that took place in Dublin, Ireland. I always thought of the lovely emerald isle as haven of romance and romantic getaway and always assumed that any serious problems are related to us in North America. Here we have lots of suicide and divorce probably the highest in the world. Also, stress, depression, personality disorders and mental health problems, alcoholism, family dysfunction, drugs, blended families, kids starting sex as early as...teenage like 13 or 14. I even heard that in day care centers kids touch each other's genitals which got me stunned. So, even little small kids have lost their innocence. What kind of age we live in where shyness and bashfulness are considered as something old-fashioned and wrong????!!!!

February 18, 2006
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Hi All,

Sprry if the title shocked, yes, I suppose it was a bit shocking. Thats why I posted it on liberation. Its just that I really did want an opinion of it. Its not just upset me, I think everyone who read about this in the news or saw pictures on TV were just as upset. I'm sorry if you were upset by this, I just wanted to share it.

Thanks all.

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