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Miss Afghanistan
November 6, 2003
3:01 pm
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Interesting article. I totally missed the point of the article though, mostly it just pissed me off because over and over again the male author just kept making references to how "hot" this model is. She is a complete stick. It made me feel really bad to read it, made me hate myself and my body fat percentage that is ranked in the "healthy" range at 22% instead of the .36% this woman is probably at.

I guess I'm looking for some validation... is this really what women are supposed to look like? And if not, then why are we pushing people through mass media to make them look this way?

http://msnbc.com/news/988652.asp

I regularly read Shape magazine which has advice on exercise and healthy eating habits. Sure, the women in that magazine are thinner than the average I would say, but they look healthy at least. Shouldn't "real sized" or "real healthy" women be the ones featured in "Miss Earth" pageants?

November 6, 2003
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When I read the heading I was thinking about women in burkhas, and about this silly cartoon titled 'afghanistan peep show'. There is a woman who is wrapped in black cloth from head to toe - and she slides one of her feet slightly from under her hem. Around her there are a throng of taliban making comments like men would be expected to make in a peep show.....

Dunno - I don't think that cachexia is a healthy goal to live for. And whith some of those superslim women that I meet I get all medically concerned and feel compelled to offer them a sandwitch.

November 7, 2003
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i think he was just being nice, becuase of the fact that she's miss afghanistan.. quite a brave achievement for an Afghan woman to be doing this.
i saw it too, she's on the skinny side. she needs to put on a *little* bit weight.

November 7, 2003
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i'm reading the article now again.

he writes:
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Still, to establish Daoud’s credentials, I asked her the most important question: Do you think that the current Miss Afghanistan is, like, totally hot?
“Yes, she is beautiful. She has a beautiful body,” Daoud told me by phone from her Malibu, California home.
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is that what youre point to? if it is, its just Daoud saying that she's beautiful. now Daoud was the first miss Afg. and... perhaps she wanted to praise her to encourage more afghan women (she couldnt possibly say "no, shes not hot, shes just ok"). so she either thought she had to praise her, or she really did mean the praise.

the article is'nt about how women are supposed to look.. its more about Afghanistan and how this one single women raised many eyebrows. its definitely not about beauty, eh.
what do you think now.

November 7, 2003
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oh now i see it:
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“We need law-and-order first and then democracy, freedom and economic opportunity later,” she said. Perhaps, but when, exactly, do hot women in red bikinis enter the picture?
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he was trying to make an impressive "ideal" statement. it doesnt mean she was hot.. and he doesnt want to be negative either.
again.. its great enough that she took part in the contest.. "hot" is her courage, yes?

November 11, 2003
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I think the reporter was using exaggeration to make a statement/observation about cultural values. He purposely repeated the "hot" comments in a satire of trite, misplaced Western "ideals."

It is ironic that the statements from Afghan men (condemning the bikini) are, in a hypocritical way, supportive of their women. They miss the point; don't see the point. But, perhaps their unconscious recognizes objectification of women's bodies for what it is (disrespect and disempowerment of women).

The reporter was making a comment about politics and values. It makes me feel angry too, in this day and age, there are still not enough intelligent people in this world to recognize how mainstream, and sometimes how subtle, opression of the female is. I think that reporter was getting a handle on a small aspect of it but left it ambiguous as to what he was saying. People could interpret that article in several different ways.

Being a woman in this world is a political issue. Women are politicized and the world maintains control over them; tells them how to act, how to look, what to wear, what's wrong with them.

There are no healthy models in our media. They are all too skinny. They look sick. They are sick. Society has lost sight of what healthy women are. There is no way, we should look like models. It's another form of control, control, control. It's so accepted as the norm, no one recognizes it for what it is.

I am sorry for going on so. I am usually not very verbal. I have trouble expressing myself. This is just a big issue for me (women's issues, because I see, at this time in my midlife; how suckered by our culture I have been despite my awareness and best intentions to be myself; I am not there yet, I cannot overcome all the early cultural conditioning and there is inner conflict I haven't resolved about my roles as wife, mother, sister, daughter; woman.)

This is my first attempt at saying it out loud. I realize I am not clear about what I want to say; dont' even know exactly what I want to say. It falls apart if I try to speak it out loud. Thanks for providing this forum and thanks for trying to listen, if you made it this far. I wonder if anybody will read this and might decipher an inkling of my intention. Or you might think I'm nuts, a crazy woman. From what I've said here, you'd never know, in real life, I am a quiet, calm, ordinary wife, mother, person; just depressed and ill and trying to make it to 52. Sorry...
~~Helena 🙁

November 11, 2003
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Hugs ((Helena))!

I hear you. Indeed, one is as bad as the other - being a woman in Afghanistan, forced to hide yourself and leave the public live, in fact all substantial decisions for males only - or being a model in western civilzation, brainwashed into starving yourself and selling your body for money, admiration, and the illusion of control over male attention.

Do you have woman friends that understand your situation and that you can hang out whith? Or you could come here and tell more of your story.

November 17, 2003
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Thank you, Eve. I appreciate your response to my self-revelation. I have a couple friends I can talk to. Seems like most people are pretty unaware in general/unconscious about it. I have trouble expressing myself in words sometimes. But, I do have some friends I could bring this up with more intentionally. Thanks for reminding me. A lot of the time I just avoid it all. That's not good either because there's the danger of passive-aggression with my loved ones and self-sabotage.

Wishing you well,
Helena

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