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October 14, 2008
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Do Masons practice talking to the dead? Do they think that they can go back and talk to a dead relative who was also a Mason?

October 17, 2008
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My late stepfather was a 33rd degree Mason and head of his lodge. When he died, I had his books destroyed. Nor would I attend the Masonic service held in his honor.

I do not know if they talk to the dead, but they certainly consort with demonic powers. They use common demonic symbols. They worship a "god," but it is not GOD. The entity they pretend to worship is camouflaged as God. They also take vows offering blind obedience and title of "master" to their leaders and the entities they serve. This is forbidden by Judao-Christian teaching. Only God is Lord and Master.

October 17, 2008
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I thought only memeber so of the masonic lodge could attend masonic funerals?

October 17, 2008
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Masons don't talk to the dead and they certainly don't consort with demonic power. The "demonic" symbols they use were stolen by devil worshippers. The symbols they use go back to the crusades and pagan worship. Many worship the same God the holier-than-thou Christians do. They just don't believe they are holier than thou.

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October 17, 2008
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And you will NEVER find a mason judging another's salvation.

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October 17, 2008
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It's too bad you destroyed his books instead of reading them strong.

You would have seen that all the rituals are a combination of all known religions of the time.

In respecting all followed Gods and religions, the "true" God is respected by default, and the showing of respect for all religions creates a unity amongst mankind.

The masons are free-thinkers, the only requirement is belief in ONE supreme being. What you call it doesn't matter.

And Satan is not a supreme being. He's low on the list. He's a coward, a bully, a liar, a thief. No Mason respects or whorships Satan.

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You wrote:

"No Mason respects or whorships Satan."

Are you implying that Satan is a whore? 🙂

I'm sorry - I couldn't resist making this 'punny' attempt at humour at the expense of your obvious typo.

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I became a member of the 'Royal Antideluvian Order of Buffaloes' under the 'Grand Australasian Banner'. I'm told that this organization is considered by many to be the 'Junior Masons'. Am I on the road to perdition too?

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Tez..you're going to HELL!

See ya there!

I'll bring some rocks we can chip away at, build a nice steam bath, with a pillared gazebo. Perhaps carve a pentacle, beehive and the #13 for decoration?

You bring the tools ( power tools?), and we'll eat hors d'eouvres, and drink tequila ( or ausi wine)

We could always eat christs flesh and drink his blood instead.
EEsh! that sounds evil and barbaric!!
;0)

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Masons do not worship Satan. This is a falsehood that was perpetrated by the Pope of the Catholic Church. Masons worship God and most of the ritual comes from the Old Testament and is founded on the building of the Temple by King Solomon.

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Masons do not worship Satan. This is a falsehood that was perpetrated by the Pope of the Catholic Church. Masons worship God and most of the ritual comes from the Old Testament and is founded on the building of the Temple by King Solomon.

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October 18, 2008
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Hey

I don't know a lot about the symbolism, but I think the satanism accusation comes from the symbols the Freemasons use. Those that were borrowed from Islam, which borrowed from older "pagan" religions- the crescent and stars, and the Templar's Baphomet. There is the Mendes goat that is the symbol of some satanist's cult and is similar to if not Baphomet.

Overseas, the Templars may have incorporated parts of other religions into their worship.

I think the catholic church started all that - calling that which wasn't accepted by them satanic, and the Templar knights needed to be smeared to erase debts. Then it has been handed down all these centuries. The whole secrecy thing that all those offshoot branches of the Templars, like the Rosicruscians and Freemasons, have adhered to hasn't helped keep the misconception either, but I suppose that's the downside to secrecy and elitism.

October 18, 2008
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Very funny Tiger!

I'm pretty sure the satan worshippers stole symbols they use, like Hitler stole the Swastika and the hippies stole the peace sign.

I always understood the satanism accusation to come from the lovely Catholic Church.

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"I always understood the satanism accusation to come from the lovely Catholic Church.". I agree. At that time that was pretty much The Church, since the Protestant movement hadn't really taken off, so to speak. I don't know many Catholics, I know that it was from Protestants that I heard about the rituals and symbols being attributed to Satan worship. So, it's Protestants that say it now, too.

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Nothing wrong with reaching out to the source to find the truth

http://www.churchofsatan.com/

Just venture past the mainpage and click on the theory and practice page. Take a good gander if you dare!

Here's a little taste:

"The Nine Satanic Sins

by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied."

HEEHEEHEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

October 19, 2008
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Here's an example of a stolen symbol. Satanists steal and consume. By adopting religious symbols as their own, they oppress.

JUST READ THIS AND THWART IGNORANCE!

"Pentagrams served to mark directions in Sumerian texts, and represented the five visible planets. Later, it was the sign of the planet Venus and the goddess .

The adoption of the pentacle as a Satanic emblem is quite recent, dating only to the latter half of the twentieth century. "

"The Pentagram in Freemasonry

In Freemasonry and related traditions, the pentagram is usually referred to as the "blazing star," and in addition to more traditional Pythagorian symbolism, is sometimes symbolic of the descent of the divinity of Christ into the world of matter, a remnant of Masonry's ties with medieval Christian Kabbalah and hermeticv tradition. In this, it represents the Star of Bethlehem. Freemasonry emphasizes Pythagorean geometry in its system of allegorical symbology, and as the pentagram was the chief of the Pythagorean symbols, it is not at all surprising to find it among Masonic symbols. Even so, it is still a relatively minor symbol in freemasonry, and largely ignored in today's lodges.

The Masonic use of the pentagram has nevertheless provided endless fodder for conspiracy minded evangelicals who see its use as proof of a vast Satanic Masonic network. Many absurd connections have been made between the Satanic pentagram and the Masonic star by enthusiastic conspiracy theorists, who fail to note that the first association of the reversed pentacle with 'evil' is a relatively recent attitude- adopted long after Masons had been using the star without controversy for a very long time."

THE MASONS USED THE PENTAGRAM LONG BEFORE THE SATANISTS DID! AND IT WASN'T REPRESENTATIVE OF EVIL!

Argh I get so frustrated. The masons accept and tolerate all religions who believe in one supreme being and the nurturing of good in the earthly world.

The judgement of another person's salvation, regardless of their beliefs and actions, even athiests and agnostics, is virtually the only action that can cause a person to be rejected from any masonic organization. The reason for that is that when one sits in judgement of another, that person has assumed the position and role of God- one has assumed spiritual supremacy.

And MASONS are an EVIL organization?

Think about it. Just think about it.

From http://altreligion.about.com/l.....00102a.htm

October 19, 2008
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Furthermore (I could go on and on lol) Satanists think that if they invert a symbol then they are being rebellious.

Buy they're stupid. lol

All masonic symbols have rotational symmetry so that no matter how it's turned, it's still representative of the whole.

The whole including the Satan worshippers. They play an important role in the spiritual world and the earthly world.

They are part of the whole.

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Right free.Satanists are bent on rebellion.

I wouldn't say their stupid tho.

Although i find some of their credos logical, the use of the word Satan is just too much.

The Satanic church is meant to promote resposnible indulgeance and antagonize the religeous "right".

To me it is also too male oriented.

October 20, 2008
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I was a Rainbow Girl which is a Masonic Organization for girls between the ages of 12 and 20. The lessons we learned were Faith, Hope, and Charity, along with the 7 colors of the Rainbow which represented Love, Religion, Nature, Immortality, Patriotism, and Service. Most of the ritual came straigh out of the New Testament.
Love is a silken cord strong as a chain of steel...
Religion is planted in the hearts of all people even though they have not received divine revelation from God...

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October 20, 2008
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If the satanists stole the symbols from the Catholic Xtians, the Catholics stole the symbols from the religions before Xtianity, the ones the Templar Knight used - which Xtianity now calls pagan, or satanic.

It's kind of a conundrum isn't it? Kinda jacked up.

Satan was Lucifer , bringer of light, or adversary in Judaism. Also in Islam, which the symbols the Knights of the Temple of Solomon "borrowed", were from. The word devil comes from the Greek word diabolos, which also translates to adversary. Satan's legend and powers grew with time, evolving from a lesson or test to a fire breathing monster.

I believe it is the Star and Crescent symbol the Freemasons sport that strikes fear in people. It was probably originally taken by the Templars from the Islams. I think there is a lot of confusion about the pentagram with the symbol of man in it, confused with the Satanists' inverted pentagram with the symbol of Baphomet the Goat man in it.

Before the star and crescent was the symbol of Islam, it was used by the Turks to represent the Ottoman Empire. The crescent was a symbol of the Greek moon-goddess Artemis. I doubt the crescent holds this meaning to the Freemasons, well known for their male only membership in the secret society, but who knows?

Sacred geometry is older than Templar Freemasonry, or any Xtianity or Islam they may have taken it from. The Greek Mystery schools 2500 years ago taught about Platonic Solids, Egyptians had it. Hell, every religion has used geometric symbols. I found this good quote -

http://www.cosmiclight.com/ofl.....ometry.htm

"However, in the strict sense of the meaning, when we refer to sacred geometry we are talking about methods, ancient or modern, of representing the metaphysical relationship between our physical existence and the spiritual source of existence -- between the consciousness of the individual and the Universal Consciousness of the transcendental dimension."

I agree with free on this point, though. It was the Christian Catholics, and now Protestants that fear(ed) and want(ed) to repress ancient knowledge, and would still persecute in diverse and insiduous ways those who seek to understand. Oh yeah- IMO. The Catholics used it to get out from under the debt owed to the money -lending Templars. Most of the geometric symbols were stricken from the trappings of Catholicism at this time. So they were labelled Satanic so they could be killed.

Those men were killed horribly. I wonder it all the persecution, the witch hunts, Inquisitions, the witch and and heretic torturing and burnings are really the fear of satan that most people hold? Not of the devil in a flaming pit, but the accusation?

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Baptized Roman Catholic here. Which means, by Roman Catholic standards, I am a Roman Catholic. (They don't let go of you, even if you let go of them.)

Anyway, Roman Catholics are not in the habit of accusing any churches or groups of Satanism (which doesn't really exist, BTW.) Roman Catholics are generally unconcerned with this type of thing, especially since the religion does not attempt to gain converts.

Now as far as what happened a thousand years ago, IDK, probably a lot of kooky stuff. But this is not like Catholicism today, or even 200 years ago.

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Wow,I have not checked this in a few days, so many responses and different ones at that.

I have heard and read so much negative information about the Masons, and am now directly in business, as a business partner, with a 32nd degree Mason.

His girlfriend says he talks to his dad for answers. I don't know.

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It's like any other sorority or fraternity. I have never heard of Mason's as a group talking to the dead and expecting answers. My dad died back in June and I have had several one sided conversations with him since. I has nothing to do with being a Mason or not.

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Thank you Bitsy. I have read alot about the Masons, all negative, but who knows what to believe anymore. Good to see you back posting again by the way! 🙂

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You wrote:

"Roman Catholics are generally unconcerned with this type of thing, especially since the religion does not attempt to gain converts."

Did I miss something here? What are Catholic missionary activities all about if not carrying the message, "gaining converts" and 'saving souls'? What is the TV propaganda show EWTN all about?

Please help me correct a grave misunderstanding of mine.

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