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Ma Strong I have a bible question for you
August 18, 2008
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Ok so I just got elected co teacher of our senior high class at my church and I was wanting to do an in depth study on the book of Isaiah. In the beginning of the book Judah has been attacked and raided do you know by whom.

August 18, 2008
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To the best of my recall, Judah was held captive by the Assyrians, until Hezekiah's reign.

- Ma

Hope this helps?

August 18, 2008
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yes thank you that does sound right

August 18, 2008
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Hezekiah was a great king unfortunately he was followed by king Manasseh. now according to Jewish tradition king Manasseh had his solders chase down Isaiah and its said that he hid in a hollow tree and then they cut the tree down with him inside. there Is mention in the book of Hebrews of one of the profits being sawn (Hebrews chapter 11 verse 37. Do you think its Isaiah? It doesnt really say it in the bible but its a really strange thing to make up.

August 18, 2008
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I would be very interested to know any insights that you have on the book of Isaiah. I really want to make this class interesting for them I dont want them to be board and not want to come to class. This is a huge step for me cause I went from the pre k teacher to the co senior high teacher I am so excited about this. I feel like our church is dying out. we dont have very many members and the young adults in our church just doesnt seem to be fired up for God we are also going to be working on some service projects. Im just hoping to do some good.

August 18, 2008
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if you mean chapter 1, this is Isaiah's prophecy presenting the spiritual situation in Judah, not necesarrily specific attacks or raids. judgment from the Lord had to come because Israel had forsaken God. the prophecy shows Judah as sick and desolate (morally and politically) and later a captured land.

some clarification about Assyria. while they were a rising power in the east during Ahaz, he refused to form an alliance with Israel and Syria to fight against the Assyrian threat. this led to political strife and eventually a war between Judah in the south and Israel and Syria in the north.

Ahaz actually made an alliance with the Assyrian king (2 Ki 16:7) for protection. Assyria turned around and then attacked Samaria and Israel, not Judah.

it wasn't until Hezekiah's reign that Assyria tried to invade Jerusalem, but failed.

it is not until chapter 39 that we see the coming of Babylonia and the captivity of Judah and the literal fullfilment of Isaiah's "captured land."

so the question remains who attacked Judah? see verse 9 of chapter 1.

August 18, 2008
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I know that it doesnt mention the specific raids in the first chapter i just wanted to give a little bit of back ground into whats happening at the time.

Isaiah 1:9 "Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom and we should have been like unto Gomorrah."

So I have a question in verse 7 where it says

"Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.

So im not understanding are you saying it wasn't being attacked at that time or just not by the Assyrians

August 18, 2008
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OH sorry so is this what is to come?

August 18, 2008
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Im tried tonight my brain is not functioning. I thought that it was talking about the Judah's current state since verses 2-4 is called the great arraignment i figured they were getting into trouble for something that has already happened

August 18, 2008
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Hi RW.

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May I suggest that you encourage these teenagers to find their own meaning in the stories, by asking lots of questions and not being too didactic by over-explaining what it should mean. This was Christ's teaching method with the parables. He told a very generalised story and then encouraged his listeners to make sense of it for themselves.

Apart from that, maybe listen hard for the spiritual thoughts and questions that they bring up. Puberty has lots of spiritual questions around self esteem, peer group acceptance and the transition to adult autonomy. Get them talking freely and they will love the session. Be careful not to talk at them like a sermon; that is a huge turn-off when you are 15 and think you know it all already. lol

Good luck. I hope everybody has a ball.

August 19, 2008
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The Book of Isaiah is not so much a HISTORY book, but rather a PROPHETIC book. It speaks volumes today about our relationship with God, His anointing and empowerment to fulfill the call on every believer's life and His provision for our deliverance and protection from the evils that beset us. To take this Book at "face value" and teach it as a history lesson would miss the mark.

Some of my favorite verses:

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;..." [5:20a] This is a striking commentary on the consequences to be faced when evil (sin) becomes politically/socially acceptable in our modern world. There WILL be eternal consequences.

"Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me." [6:8] God is continually searching for believers who have the willingness to serve Him...and to do it HIS way, not ours! And the choice is completely ours.

"If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established." [7:9b] In this verse He emphasizes to us the necessity of faith, in order to receive all that He wants to bless into our lives.

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." [7:14] This prophecies Mary's conception of the child, Jesus...a strong prophecy.

"...the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing." [10:27c] This explains how the yokes which bind us (bondages, addictions, iniquities, demonic oppression, etc.) are utterly destroyed (broken off our lives) by the anointing (His Presence).

Chapter 11 - Purely prophetic. Too long to quote here, but the entire chapter is direct reference to Jesus (a direct descendent of the line of Jesse).

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground which didst weaken the nations!

For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

I will ascend above the heights of the clous; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit." [14:12-15] This is prophetic description of the cause of Lucifer (Satan's) fall: pride.

"Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me witih their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:" [29:13] This addresses empty, hollow, man-made "religion" which totally misses the mark with God. He is not pleased with empty, unfelt public honor/worship at church, but rather is seeking genuine adoration and LOVE from His children.

That's quite a few to get you started. I could go on forever. The entire Book is LOADED with incredible, prophetic Scriptures which have many, rich layers of meaning.

- Ma Strong

August 19, 2008
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I think Isaiah is one of the most important books in the Bible,
I have found it useful to remeber that he saw time as a wheel not as a line so some of his insights are 'mixed up' as we would see them. Next is that in my opinion there are
'flag' words. For example, "Babylon" sometimes means the actual kingdom of the time period but sometimes it means evil and or worldliness.

August 20, 2008
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Yes...there is powerful, prophetic symbolism in Isaiah.

= Ma

August 20, 2008
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Might I suggest that you find a bible study book that deals with Isaiah. You could try online as well at places like Radio Bible class, Word of Life, and places like that. A few author names that could help would also be John Mac Aurther.

August 20, 2008
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John MacArthur is not someone I can recommend. He does not grasp the prophetic which severely limits his understanding of the Scriptures. Jack Hayford would be great. So would the late Derek Prince.

- Ma

August 20, 2008
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I'm sorry but I think you are wrong about John Mac Arthur. But we are all entitled to our own opinions. I think that RW really needs to find herself a book that help her understand what it is that she wants to know about the Bible. You and I and everyone else can only offer her what we each believe but only she can decide for herself what it is she believes and would like to use to teach this group she is now teaching. I believe that her best bet would be to contact her pastor and see what he recommends since it is in his church that she teaching.

August 21, 2008
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Have you tried Hugh Nibley?

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