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Love Said: More Teachings from the Heart of Islam
March 13, 2007
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Free, Islamic governments are not the primary sources to make a judgement about Islam. you know what I'm saying, right? What they do or dont do, may or may not be connected with Islam and the example of Mohammed.

Islamic teaching refresher for today for everyone: Mohammed had sex with 9 year old Aisha, which makes him a pedophile.

March 13, 2007
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"What is this silly belief if yours that Islam existed before Mohammed?"

Oh Guest, you mean you haven't heard of this idea?

I thought you were supposed to be....sort of knowledgeable about the subject.

But, I am not interested in speaking with YOU about this subject.

What I am interested in talking to you about is the pleasure you take in ridiculing other people.

In other words, the pleasure you take in hurting people.

March 13, 2007
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WF, 8 lines of text wasted. You just like to fight.

If you werent interested in speaking to me, why did you write those long 3 or 4 posts above? Sup?

March 13, 2007
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Guest...you quoted this biblical verse from your previous post:

"Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30 " - Matthew

Here is the same verse from my Bible: "If your right eye cuases you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand cuases you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your whole body to go into hell." Matthew 5: 29-30 (NIV=New Internationl Version).

Ok guest...what Jesus meant here simply is to cut it off SYMBLICALLY...NOT in a litteral or physical actual way. If that's the case, he would have done that to the many sinners whom HE encountered.

You see people misinterpret the Bible and thus the meaning gets mixed up and misunderstood.

I will be back later!

March 13, 2007
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I wonder if Jesus was really crucified, or if that, too was symbolic.

March 13, 2007
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Yeaa.. maybe that was symbolic too.

No ras, I dont think it was symbolic. I think he really meant it becuase he then said "its better to lose.. "

Anyway there are tonnes of questionable verses in the Bible. You can see them all on that site.

March 13, 2007
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G_

Or just open the bible.

March 13, 2007
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yeaa, I can bet anyone a free Nachos Bell Grande that if you open up the Bible anywhere randomly, you'll find atleast one silly, incorrect or objectionable verse.

March 13, 2007
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Rasputin

On the 13-Mar-07 you wrote:

"You see people misinterpret the Bible and thus the meaning gets mixed up and misunderstood."

I can see that this could very well be so.

But who is it that gets to decide who is interpreting the bible the one and only 'correct' way for all of us and who is not interpreting the bible correctly?

Is it your minister, the Pope, Joyce Meyers, EWTN priests or you?

March 13, 2007
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Ras, people arent misinterpreting the Bible. You're misinterpreting their act of misinterpreting the Bible. See? You have to take things for what they are.

March 13, 2007
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Guest & Tez~

I don't interpret the Bible. The truth is the Holy Bible was interpreted from its original languages. Thus when a piece of literature is interpreted...Unfortunately a big part of its ORIGINAL meaning and sense is LOST or gets misinterpreted.

The best website that can help you to study the Bible is alphacourse.org

It's a worldwide organization that has been started by a British man of Jewish Origin who converted to Christianity. His name is Nicky Gumble. There is a place that has alpha course in every area in the world. It is friendly, fun and beautiful way to get to know about Christianity no matter what your background. They don't impose anything about you.

The main thing is to be open-minded, unbiased and to just NOT be afraid to follow your heart.

Good luck for you both on your quest for truth! Blessings~

March 13, 2007
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Which Islamic governments are/were violent?

Ayatollah Khomeini. However one spells that.

Saddam Hussein. Not just to the west. He used chemical warfare on the kurds, his own people. Put people feet first into wood choppers. had rape rooms. I don't think I need to go on. He was a mini Hitler.

The Taliban in Afghanistan. No need to expand there.

the current ding-a-ling in Iran.

I know America is not considered a "peaceful" country. I'm talking about these Islamic governments whose goal is to spread Islam by force.

wd, you're comment about what the teacher does/said not mattering doesn't make sense. One is not a teacher if what one says/does has no effect.

Mohammad and Jesus were both teachers in my opinion. They taught people about their respective religions and how to live life. And people followed.

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March 13, 2007
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Hi Free,

Once a teacher is gone--they are gone.

Work with me here.

Albert Einstein did some studying. He did some discovery. He did some teaching. It turns out that he was also kind of an abusive son of a bitch.

Now, let's talk about the speed of light or the amount of energy contained in a gram of matter, or the ability of massive objects to deflect light, or the equivalence of acceleration and gravity.

We do not need to even know that Einstein ever lived to speak about those things--the nature of reality, the nature of time and space and matter and energy.

But if you did look into it, you would see that Einstein really want the end all be all, man with the last word on those matters.

He was just a man of his time.

So not only are Einstein's personal character and actions and deeds irrelevant, his actual thoughts and calculations and manuscripts--his actual teachings are irrelevant.

Do you follow?

March 13, 2007
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Sorry:

If you look into it, you would see that Einstein really WAS NOT the end all be all, man with the last word on those matters.

Eintein's work is the training wheels of current generations of physicists.

March 13, 2007
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Oh. AND...

The universe existed long before Einstein did.

March 14, 2007
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hi Free

"I'm talking about these Islamic governments whose goal is to spread Islam by force."

Taliban didnt spread Islam by force, but yes they did implment it by force. Saudi Arabia as well (they close down the shops and people have to pray basically). Taliban were the worst - no music, no education etc.

But Saddam Hussein, he was just a bad ruler. I dont think he cared about spreading or implementing Islam.

Malaysia doesnt allow people to easily convert out of Islam. Pakistan's constitution has Islamic laws in it like "anyone who defiles Mohammed goes to jail or dies". Iran has Islamic laws too.

But you see it depends on the country and the ruler and the age. Every year things get a little better and countries become less and less Islamic generally.

But the intensity of the government's Islamic nature is not a source for judging whether or not Islam itself is vilent by nature. If you come across a peaceful government like say, Lebanon or Kazakhkhstan (Borat fame), they're docile compared to Iran and Afghanistan.

And then you have stuff going on in these countries which may not be directly supported by the government, but people are free to do it - mullahs, Islamic rituals, madrassas.

So if you really want to judge whether Islam is a vilent religion and what it teaches, you have to only read quran and hadith and see if its origin was vilent. Thats because terrorists worship Mohammed and follow his example of hatred and violence. Jihad against the 'filthy hellgoing indfidels' and getting Allah's pleasure etc, its all about that for them. This is what Mohammed did too in his age.

March 14, 2007
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Eisntien did not invent any of that science. He only observed it.

"If you look into it, you would see that Einstein really WAS NOT the end all be all, man with the last word on those matters."

He never asked people to follow him. He was just a scientist. Its an incomtabible example. Niether did he wage war against those who didnt beleive in relativity, unlike Mohammed who did for those who refused to convert to Islam.

March 14, 2007
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Rasputin

Thanks for your nice post written on 13-Mar-07.

In it you said:

"I don't interpret the Bible. The truth is the Holy Bible was interpreted from its original languages. Thus when a piece of literature is interpreted...Unfortunately a big part of its ORIGINAL meaning and sense is LOST or gets misinterpreted."

I suspect that you have misunderstood the meaning of the word "interpret". Your response only makes sense to me if I replace the word "interpret" with the word "translate".

When a written script is translated into another language there is a great danger of the original meaning being distorted or even lost altogether - that's for sure.

But we were not talking about translation errors. We were talking about interpreting the meaning of the English words in the bible into what they actually mean to us. If you are looking for some kind of consensus on what a passage from the bible means then you would have to resort to the 'gun' theologians of each particular religion. Since Christianity has fragmented into sects it is self-evident that different emphasis and interpretations are placed upon certain parts of biblical scripts by these sects causing these splits.

That is why I asked you who has the correct interpretation. When there is disagreement between so-called experts how can anyone be sure of what means what in the bible? It is over simplistic thinking combined with bias to think that there is only one possible way the written word can be interpreted.

Are you suggesting that your "Nicky Gumble" has the one and only true, error free, God inspired interpretation of the one and only true error free, God inspired translation? If so, why so?

And you said:

"The main thing is to be open-minded, unbiased and to just NOT be afraid to follow your heart."

When I was a Christian I was close minded and extremely biased. I didn't know it! Why? Because I thought that I possessed the God given truth. So I thought that there was no point in wasting time reading 'false' doctrines! I never equated this with either bias or closemindedness. How ignorant was I!!!

When I finally opened my mind enough to look at other religions with an open mind, I then indeed "followed my heart" all the way out of Christianity altogether. I have never doubted the wisdom of my decision to break the shackles of ignorance that enclosed, bound and blinded me; that is, the schackles of ignorance of my Christian brainwashing, indoctrination, bias and bigotry.

May you eventually find truth too. 'Luck and blessings' are superstition so I won't wish that upon you.

Happy and contented searching!

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