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Love Said: More Teachings from the Heart of Islam
March 11, 2007
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David and Bathsheba is in the book of II Samuel Chapter 11.

David saw her taking a bath, and even after finding that she was wife to Uriah, a soldier in his army. He sent for her, lay with her and impregnated her. I have always wondered how much choice Bathsheba had- her king sent for her after spying on her taking a bath - eeuuww.

When she told her king, he had her husband sent to battle where he, Uriah died.

It says in the bible that even though David married her, their god was displeased, and that is the explanation the bible gives for the death of that child shortly after it was born.

March 11, 2007
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Thanks Bev for this info!

March 12, 2007
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I am answering your question Guest.

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More teachings from the Heart of this evil violent religion: "

No guest, you proceed to offer "teachings" that are not from the heart of Islam.

Guest, have you ever considered the idea that perhaps it would be good if you were a less violent person--less hateful and mean? Maybe that would improve your love life?

March 12, 2007
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I am a very thorough critic of religion--especially of my own..

But eventually, after I had burnt everything to ashes...well, I got to what remains after you have burnt the ashes.

Some people believe that religion is supposed to tell us how we must think and believe and behave.

Other people feel that that kind of religion is the training wheels, cartoon back of cereal box version of religion.

For some people, religion, codified spiritual discipline, is about "me, wanting to be a good and wise person, in fact, the best person I can be."

For those people, religion is the beginning of an inward journey--the idea of imposing anything, much less violence or oppression based on that kind of "religion" is absurd.

March 12, 2007
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WD, is it wrong or hateful to critique Hitler?

I showed you evidence that Mohammed killed a woman's family and then raped her afterwards, as Ras pointed out. What do you think of that?

Are you a pigeon shutting your eye to something obvious you dont want to see? What is your opinion of the Hadith I showed you?

Hi Ras____, to me Christianity is another false religion like Islam. It is also hateful and intolerant to the unbeliever, but not so much as Islam. Its the same - two men claiming to be prophets of God and then their holy books contain a lot of errors and objectionable stuff. God might exist but he's not any God in any of these holy books for sure, thats my opinion.

March 12, 2007
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And I'm not going to refrain from calling a spade a spade, in order to improve my love life and stuff, thats just silly. If anything, denying reality of any kind would probably degrade my love life. Dont you think so?

We have to first determine what it is, whether its a spade or not. The effect is has on my love life is obviously of secondary nature.

Scientists dont go into a lab, thinking about the results thinking: "Hm, will this certain result improve my love life? Alright then".

Is that the kind of scientist you are, WD? Sup?

March 12, 2007
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More teachings of love from the Heart of Islam:

Allah promises men that they'll be given women with big boobs. You got it: BOOBS

"Koran 78:31
As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high- bosomed virgins for companions: a truly overflowing cup."

Ah, I love high bosoms though. Who doesnt? WD, do you? Or do you like them medium?

See, Allah knew that men love big boobs. Mm, yea! 36DD!

The peaceful and loving teachings of Islam, yes.

March 12, 2007
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Allah: "I like ze boobies!"

March 12, 2007
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G_

Were the women promised a firm and large staff?

haHA - thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

It's all open to interpretation, right?

March 12, 2007
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LOL
speaking as a 36DD, maybe I aought to switch to Islam. Would that make me appear more righteous than my flat chested friends?

March 12, 2007
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TT

Don't do it unless you get staff privileges guaranteed in writing.

March 12, 2007
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Heh.. yeaa. Get a contract from Allah in writing.

bevdee, yes, actually while men are given these big breasted houris, women are promised nothing, which reminds me I really have to work out.

More facts about the peaceful loving religion of Islam:

- According to Islamic tradition, Mohammed had the sexual strength of 30 men

- Mohammed used to have sex with 9 of his wives in the same night.

- One time he was returning from battle and he said to a companion "I like my women shaved"

I'm not kidding, this is all recorded in Islamic tradition.

Thanks for WD for allowing me the chance to educate everyone about Islam's peaceful and loving nature.

March 12, 2007
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Guest ~

Take a look at what Jesus said in the Bible:

"I am the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE, no one comes to the FATHER/God except thru ME."

When you read this above-mentioned Biblcal verse...you will know where the TRUTH lies! Period!!!!!!!!!!!

Also Jesus taught us to "Love one another as I have loved you." And "Love your Enemies, and do good & pray to those who hate you & persecute you."

A wise man once said...if a religion does not teach you to love others then you sould change that religion.

After all this...I have studied Islam, Buddism, & evidently Judaism
since it's connected to Christianity and I can proudly say that.....The LORD JESUS Christ stands out among all others as the ONLY UNIQUE & SPECIAL Leader!

Even Buddihsm teaches its followers to non-violence, but it does not teach them to go the extra mile and love those who offended them as Christianity does.

I am not saying this b/c I am biased...I studied some other philosophies and religions and I can honestly say that JESUS does make ALL the difference!

I really hope and pray since you live in the west that you will take the time to STUDY THE HOLY BIBLE. It is the most beautiful, romantic, healing book you can ever read. Choose an easy version you feel comfy with that would help you a lot in your journey and walk.

Here in the west I have seen some Muslims, Jews, Budhhists, folks with no religions convering to Christianity.

What do you think of all of this? Remember you live in the west. You don't need to be afraid of being killed or stoned. The worst thing that can happen to you is that your own family might disown you...so what? Would you not give this inconvenience for the sake of finding the truth??? You might win them over when they discover the beautiful Jesus thru you!

May God bless you in your journey!

March 12, 2007
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Actually guest I am more thinking of your ugliness and cruelty and disrespectful attitude to people here.

You view the world through shit-colored glasses and then you belittle people who do not share your narrow perspective.

And your mind is so closed, so trapped in a tiny little pit of limited knowledge that you have dug for yourself--and from the bottom of that hole you presume to lecture. If your sermons weren't so acidic and hate filled it would be amusing.

You have your charming moments guest, but when you get on your anti religion jag you are quite nasty.

It seems to be your mission in life to deprive people of their self esteem.

Is that how you want to be?

March 12, 2007
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"- According to Islamic tradition, Mohammed had the sexual strength of 30 men

- Mohammed used to have sex with 9 of his wives in the same night.

- One time he was returning from battle and he said to a companion "I like my women shaved"

I'm not kidding, this is all recorded in Islamic tradition."

You say that as if they were bad things Guest.

March 12, 2007
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There are many ugly verses in Bible that would have to be explained before I would agree that Christianity is a nice religion:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbi...../long.html

>>The LORD JESUS Christ stands out among all others as the ONLY UNIQUE & SPECIAL Leader!

Are you sure?

"Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30 " - Matthew

The above is from the above site. There are many more. All these verses would have to be explained. If there's no proof that Jesus was really who he claimed to be, then he was not what he claimed to be. Its a serious claim, to be saying that one is a prophet or God himself. Serious claims need serious proofs.

March 12, 2007
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To be a prophet of God, one should should set good examples. To be having sex with 9 women in a single night and to be having sex with a 9 year old - that may be acceptable to you as a civilian (do you do all that?), but this behavior is not suitable for someone who is setting an example for humanity.

Fortunately 94% of Americans believe that Islam is not a peaceful religion (according to the AFA) so thankfully you are in a small group of crazy people who have no idea about what Islam is and pretend that they know.

People like you ignore the evidence that Mohammed was a murderer and rapist, while bring up unrelated poems of Sufis who have nothing to do with the core of Islam. The core of Islam was formed by Mohammed, not these Sufis.

As for your emotional blackmail and stuff, it doesnt effect me, so please keep it to yourself. Should I remind you of the many times you have fought with others on this site and drove them crazy? I dont want to dig up old threads but look at yourself before you look at others.

You like looking nice and angelic when it suits you and you're very clever in demonizing the other person when you need to, making them look evil and trying to harbour support from others. I can see that. It doesnt work on me.

If you keep bringing up this thread, I will help people learn more about Islam so they know its true nature. The Quran and hadith is full of absurdity and hate.

So keeping in mind the incident of Safiyah which was reported in hadith, was Mohammed a murderer and a rapist or not?

March 12, 2007
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There are lots of atheists that it is enjoyable and enlightening to discuss religion with Guest.

Can you hear me? The fact that you reject religion and choose atheism is not the point. Your specific criticisms of any given religion is not the point. Other atheist critics offer the exact criticisms that you do. Of course, no-atheist reformers do to.

What I am trying to draw your attention to and request as a topic of discussion is you--how your emotionality colors your perceptions and cripples your ability talk about the subject in a non-abusive manner.

Your opinions about religion are well known to all of us.

I think your emotionality on the subject is more of a live issue.

March 12, 2007
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Yes, guest, I have made love with nine women in a single night and I consider that to part of an honorable spiritual discipline that I offer as an example for humanity.

No guest, here in the 21st century in America, nine year olds are not deemed able to marry or engage in many activities.

But Mohammed is not here today, guest.

Mohammed did not invent Islam, nor does he define it, nor is he the finest teacher of it.

In the same way, a person does not need to read the bible or to even have heard of Jesus, in order to find the heart of Jesus.

March 13, 2007
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I've a few questions.

What was Mohammad's role in Islam?

Is it the Islamic governments that are violent, or is it the religious beliefs? I mean, c'mon, kill all the infidels if they don't convert- that's not peaceful.

Isn't it more important what the teacher DOES versus what people say he/she SAID? If so, I'd find it very difficult to compare Mohhamed with Jesus. We're talking apples and broccoli there.

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I am not sure that the words or the actions of or the character of any philospher or teacher particularly matter.

I don't think it matters what Mohammed did or said and I don't think it really matters what Jesus did or said.

Strictly speaking, I am not sure it even really matter what God himself did or said.

My parents, for example, uttered words and committed deeds of both sublime truth and also of colossal stupidity.

What am I to do, writhe on the ground tearing my hair? Should I yell at anyone who says they like their dad? Or my dad?

Some personal letters written by Albert Einstein to his wife have been published. For a while there at least, Albert was a royal son of a bitch, perhaps a batterer.

But you cannot invalidate the theory of general relativity by referring to Albert's unwise words or unethical actions.

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Mohammed's role in Islam?

He was the guy that spoke it for his time and for his people.

Might have been better if he had just kept his trap shut, but whatcha gonna do?

Anyway, from that perspective, Islam had existed, at the very least, from the time that God first spoke to Abraham. Then Judaism and Christianity twisted Islam all up which bugged God who sent the angel to inspire Mohammed to set it all straight.

Or from a more rooted perspective, Islam was created no later than the time that God said "let there be light." Then, later on, Mohammed also had some things to say about Islam.

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Where does violence come from?
People crave power. People are greedy.
People want to get their way. Violence is one way of getting your way. Religion is one way to justify getting your way.

Any ideology, whether religious or secular, can and will be twisted to the ends of people who want more than anything to get their own way.

Religious ideologies mature when they develop past the idea of imposing behavior on others.

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WD, I'll talk to people who will listen or atleast consider what I'm saying.

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>> Is it the Islamic governments that are violent, or is it the religious beliefs? I mean, c'mon, kill all the infidels if they don't convert- that's not peaceful.

Isn't it more important what the teacher DOES versus what people say he/she SAID? If so, I'd find it very difficult to compare Mohhamed with Jesus. We're talking apples and broccoli there. << Its both. Firstly the religious beliefs are violent. One of the most violent verses in Quran is 9:29, which simply says "Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection." See? In this verse, Muslims dont have to be attacked. They are ordered to attack anyone who doesnt believe. Thats the most violent verse in Quran, as far as I know. Its ordering Muslims to violence. Otherwise the Quran is full of hate and intolerance and that leads to violence as well, in the hands of extremists. >> I mean, c'mon, kill all the infidels if they don't convert- that's not peaceful. << Exactly. That verse 9:29 says just that, as you saw. There's more stuff like "Kill them whereever you find them". Mohammed was a violent man. Mohammed said and did violent things. For example consider the genocice of the Jew tribe, Banu Quraiza: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B.....nu_Qurayza

"In 627 CE, the tribe was besieged by the Muslims commanded by Muhammad, taken captive and all men, apart from a few who converted to Islam, were beheaded.[1]"

Mohammed was a murderer. He attacked people simply because they didnt believe in Allah.

As for Islamic governments if they are violent or not - it depends on the government. I'd say Iran is right now the most hateful/intolerant Islamic government right now. You can see that by the way Ahmed-the-nut-job said stuff about Israel, how it should be wiped off the map.

Other governments are not hateful to the west like that. They're just running their countries. There will be some Islamic laws, but you know yea - its really variable and depends on the case you look at.

Which Islamic government do you think is violent?

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What is this silly belief if yours that Islam existed before Mohammed?

"Anyway, from that perspective, Islam had existed, at the very least, from the time that God first spoke to Abraham. Then Judaism and Christianity twisted Islam all up which bugged God who sent the angel to inspire Mohammed to set it all straight.

Or from a more rooted perspective, Islam was created no later than the time that God said "let there be light." Then, later on, Mohammed also had some things to say about Islam. "

The only most important belief in Islam is: 1) There is no God but Allah (the one who talked to Mohammed), and 2) Mohammed is the messenger of Allah.

This is also the shahada, which anyone must recite to convert to Islam.

Without refering to Islamic sources, show me where this belief existed before Mohammed came?

Ofcourse Mohammed will say that Abraham was also a prophet of Allah.

I think you're a Sufi Muslim but you're ashamed to admit it. Now you'll say "yes I am and also a buddhist, jew and Christian" - yea yea.

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