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Love Said: More Teachings from the Heart of Islam
January 14, 2007
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Well, what I've researched all states that Mohammed is the founder of Islam. Can you direct me to a site that states differently?

Not sure what your post has to do with Islam.

hard for me to make the connection to christianity- bad anology if that's what you were trying.

Not sure what to even say to this post- seems you're going off about christianity and the challenge was to defend Islam.

what was the point here?

Just plain common English wd. The parable and story telling thing went out centuries ago.
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January 14, 2007
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"Islam, like Christianity, was created approximately the same miment that the universe was created by God himself. "

oh, brother. sigh.

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January 14, 2007
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Ok look WD

Yes there's a lot of debate on who founded Christianity, but there's nowhere the same amount of debate on who founded Islam.

Christianity is 600 years older than Islam. That makes it more cloudy than Islam.

So here: there are NO significant debates as to who the founder of Islam was. Yes, give your argument that doubts that Mohammed was the founder of Islam. Show us some sites, not your own subjective vague psuedo-intellectual stuff.

January 14, 2007
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Now for the interesting part.

These versus also function perfectly well as esoteric Christian teachings or as tantric verse.

January 14, 2007
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OF course there are some who say that, according to the Koran, Islam was actually founded by Abraham.

http://www.submission.org/isla.....unded.html

January 14, 2007
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WS, there is no question as to who the founder of Islam was. Please give some references to support your argument or else you're refuted. You've heard of "original research", right?

January 14, 2007
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The submitters are deviants according to the majority of Muslims: http://www.islamawareness.net/.....ubmitters/

January 14, 2007
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"Muhammad (Peace be upon him) never founded Islam, but he restored it after it was distorted over a period of time. The first Prophet who called people following Islam "Muslims" was Prophet Abraham"

http://www.imooftoronto.com/ab.....slam.shtml

God bless the deviants.

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Alright suppose Prophet Abraham founded Islam - we are obviously talking about the _________violent verses______ in Quran and argueing if they have an effect on TODAY's terrorists.

1) Do today's terrorists idolize Mohammed? Yes they do.

2) Was Mohammed a violent man? Yes he was.

Questions?

January 14, 2007
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Maybe.

But that would be a topic for a different thread.

January 14, 2007
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Those are the only two questions you must try to prove wrong. I got you, WD. It takes me a while and I used to be good at this, but I can still do it.

March 10, 2007
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"How is Rumi a stronger authority on Islam than Mohammed?"

For the same reason that Stephen Hawking (and quite a few 22 year old physics students) is a greater authority on special relativity than Albert Einstein.

Wisdom progresses. Knowledge progresses.

I, personally, know a heck of a lot more about evolution than Charles Darwin ever did.

March 10, 2007
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"I, personally, know a heck of a lot more about evolution than Charles Darwin ever did. "

K- I'll bite.

Like what?

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March 11, 2007
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Free, I daresay every modern third grader knows more about Evolution than Charles Darwin did.

You were a third grader once. Go for it.

Here, I'll get you started. Charles Darwin had never heard of DNA.

March 11, 2007
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More teachings from the Heart of this evil violent religion:

1) Mohammed ordered Muslims to kill anyone who left Islam.

2) Quran is full of hate and Hellish violence for non-Muslims

3) Mohammed had sex with 9 year old Aisha when he was old enough to be her grandfather.

4) Mohammed fought battles, killed their men and raped the wives of the enemies. An example is Safiyah, the Jewish wife of a tribe. Mohammed the camel-knocker married Safiyah forcefully after he killed her men in battle.

There you go - thats Islam explained in a few small points.

WD knows nothing about Islam. Infact he probably does this to rouse me into disagreement and argument (which is alright with me, I love busting his argument that Islam is peaceful - it gives me a chance to tell people what Islam really IS about). He loves a fight, this WD. The "teachings" he posted are part of Sufi Islam, a hippie peaceful version of Islam that does not coincide with the actual beliefs, teachings and practices of the original terrorist Mohammed.

March 11, 2007
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WF,

No one worships Eienstien and he did not invent a religion or pretend to be a prophet of God, or have sex with 9 year old little girls.

The examples are incompatible.

And niether did Albert E invent Science. Mohammed invented Islam though.

Science is not hateful, intolerant and violent towards its non-believers, unlike Islam which is.

Try again.

For the record in case anyone missed it:

Mohammed was sexually attracted to 6 year old Aisha when he was 51 and married this little girl when she was just 9.

Today Mohammed would be caught on Dateline and we'd be seeing Chris Hanson arresting this pedophile and the police taking him away in rest.

While WD will say "Oh but Eienstien's great grandfather played around with a bunny rabbit when he was just 12, so that means Mohammed was not a pedophile".

What else WD? You want people to know what Islam really is?

March 11, 2007
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Wow guest...what a knowlege you know about Islam!!!

Tell me guest...How did you know all this infos about Islam????

March 11, 2007
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hi ras, I was born into it (for safety thats all I can reveal). I'm an athiest now.

I dont know a lot about Islam (e.g. I dont remember many specific hadiths and verses but I can find them if needed), but I know all I need to make the judgement that Mohammed was a very clever and intelligent man, ahead of his times and that Islam is a hoax like other religions (I think you're a Christian, right? Anyway thats my belief). He was able to fool everyone, he was probably charismatic and stuff, otherwise he could not have convinced other people. In the words of Wafa Sultan, another former Muslim from Syria, "Islam is not a religion, it is a political idealogy that enforces its agenda by force". If you want to watch one video about Islam, it could be this:

Wafa Sultan Debating Islamic Cleric

This video has gotten millions of views around the world and when you see it, you'll know why. She's an arab woman, busting this Islamic cleric in Arabic and doing it very intensely. Ahh, what a sweet video. She was given the International Humanist Award in the recent Islamic Summit Conference a week ago.

Inspite of hearing about Islam from those who have been inside it, there do exist people like WD who think Islam is peaceful and no different from other religions and should not be singled out etc. Then they cherry pick the good teachings of Islam (yes they exist obviously, otherwise no one would follow it). Even so I enjoy busting his efforts to show Islam in a positive light. There are a very small number of hadiths and good verses in Quran. Most of it is filled with hate and spite for non-believers, like other holy books.

After all the core central teaching of any religion is: "Follow me, or you'll go to hell" - how else do you attract followers? If you say "Here's a vitamin pill. Its really no different from any other pill, it has no advantages" - well, no one is gonna eat that pill.

So they have to market the religion - heaven, hellfire, sexy wide-eyed transparent (yea, thats right) slender, big-breasted houris, rivers of wine, milk and honey, hot iron rods and chains, Tree shaped like a devil, boiling water and what not.

All that to create the puss-pull system that attracts and drives followers.

March 11, 2007
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"puss-pull"? Please tell me this is a typo?

March 11, 2007
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The "push-pull" oops.

And also, typo: Safiyah was a beautiful woman from a Jewish tribe, and her husband and other men were killed by Mohammed in battle. Later this MS married Safiyah forcefully. Nice.

Here's the actual hadith in case anyone would like to read and get sick, along with an introduction from Ali Sina, an ex-muslim from Iran who kicks Islam's ass in the most supreme way.

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The following is the story of Safiyah Bint Huyeiy Ibn Akhtab, the Jewish woman who was captured when Muhammad’s troops attacked Kheibar and brought her to the Prophet as part of his share of the booty. This story, is reported in the Book of Tabaqat and is published also in the trusted Islamic site. http://www.muslimunited.org/to.....wives.html Safiyah was seventeen and very beautiful when Muslims killed her father, husband and many of her relatives. In the same day the Prophet of Allah wanted to sleep with her. Here is the exact text of the story.

“Safiyah was born in Medinah. She belonged to the Jewish tribe of Banu 'I-Nadir. When this tribe was expelled from Medinah in the year 4 A.H, Huyaiy was one of those who settled in the fertile colony of Khaibar together with Kinana ibn al-Rabi' to whom Safiyah was married a little before the Muslims attacked Khaibar. She was then seventeen. She had formerly been the wife of Sallam ibn Mishkam, who divorced her. One mile from Khaibar. Here the Prophet married Safiyah. She was groomed and made-up for the Prophet by Umm Sulaim, the mother of Anas ibn Malik. They spent the night there. Abu Ayyub al-Ansari guarded the tent of the Prophet the whole night. When, in the early dawn, the Prophet saw Abu Ayyub strolling up and down, he asked him what he meant by this sentry-go; he replied: "I was afraid for you with this young lady. You had killed her father, her husband and many of her relatives, and till recently she was an unbeliever. I was really afraid for you on her account". The Prophet prayed for Abu Ayyub al-Ansari (Ibn Hisham, p. 766) Safiyah had requested the Prophet to wait till he had gone a stage away from Khaibar. "Why?" asked the Prophet. "I was afraid for you on account of the Jews who still happened to be near at Khaibar!"

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Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz:
Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, 'O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her."

Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . (Sahih Bukhari 1.367)

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There you go. Thats Mohammed killing men in battle and marrying their wives. "Hi, good morning. I just killed your husband and I want you to be my wife now" - thats Mohammed, this sick violent man. Maybe WD would have liked Mohammed to kill him and then marry his wife/GF. What do you say, WD?

Read the whole thing here: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Ar.....afiyah.htm

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hehe sorry yea, it was a typo, goshh.

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See, Islam was invented by savages. If you read the hadiths and Quran, you start to realize what this religion really was at its core. Then when you see the actions of terrorists and clerics spewing violenca and hate for non-believers, you realize that they're only following the example of their prophet and to a much lesser extent now becuase thats all they can do in 2007. In this age, they cant freely do the things their prophet used to do, like kill a woman's husband and mmarry her forcefully and get away with it scott free as Mohammad was able to. Its just amazing how little these people know, those who think Islam is peaceful and stuff.

For example, for one, they think that to make the judgement that Islam is violent, means that all Muslims are terrorists. Thats because they're dumb and not able to think on a wider scale. Yea. Thats really the reason. Plus they might have inner emotional motives, e.g if they would not like THEIR religion to be criticized, sometimes they'll end up seeing all religions as nice, so they can remain blind to the defect of their own religion as well.

March 11, 2007
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Thanks for taking the time to copy all that stuff. That was so appreciated!!!

If you are being honest about criticizing your own people - I know it's hard esp for Muslims - well, I daresay...that I applaud you!!

That story of the poor young Jewish girl got me crying a lot. I hate injustice, force and violence. In fact I call it RAPE not marriage.

For your record, in the Old Testament, King David did something similar to what M did. However, there was a mutual attraction between him and that woman..can't recall her name. So, he sent his troops to kill her husband and committed an adultery with her either before her husband's death or after.

HOWEVER, there was mutual love & admiration betweeen King David & her. In addition, King David, later on got sad due to his sin....and REPENTED to God for his sin and that makes a WHOLE New difference. There was no violence, force or anything in the case of David as the case with M.

Tell me guest, since, I assume, you live in the west...have you ever considered studying Christianity...its history, its principles? How do you find the
Christian faith in all honesty?

March 11, 2007
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David and Bathsheba?

March 11, 2007
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Bless you Sweet Bev!!!

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