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January 14, 2006
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Tez,

I have nothing but respect for Buddah. He was a very sheltered, very pampered prince from India, I believe. His father wanted to protect him from the harsh realities in life, like death, old age, affliction, unhappiness... These things were never allowed in his presence by his staff or his family.

Then in his late teens, he ventured outside the confines of his perfect world and was forever changed by what he saw. Poverty, illness and a host of other unplesantries that he had no frame of reference for actually existed.

He gave up all that he had to help understand and solve the problems facing the the human condition (If I'm not mistaken, it was Confusius who helped spread Buddist doctrine throughout Asis.) He's a true hero, what's not to love about him?

If the great minds of Paul the Apostle and Buddah had met for a conversation at some point in history...

One can only ponder the possibilities.

January 14, 2006
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^Asia

January 14, 2006
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LOL

Or, it could happen something like Seek suggests.

January 14, 2006
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I've never really had any heroes. I have admired alot of people. What makes a hero different from anyone?
Is it the height of importance placed on them by ourselves? I certainly admired Rosa Parks for her courage. I admire anyone who takes care of themselves. I admire my sister for continuing to live life in spite of all her losses. She celebrated her 50th birthday yesterday. If I had to pick one person who I admired most it would have to be my sister.

January 14, 2006
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Young & Restless.

On the 14-Jan-06 you said:

"Tez, I have nothing but respect for Buddah. ... (If I'm not mistaken, it was Confusius who helped spread Buddist doctrine throughout Asis.)"

No, it wasn't Confucius, I'm sorry.

I believe that it was Kumarajiva

" Kumarajiva (344-413 CE), was a Buddhist scholar and missionary. ... ...

In 383, Chinese forces seized Kucha and carried Kumarajiva off to China. From 401 he was at the Ch'in court in the capital Chang'an (the modern Xi'an), where he taught and translated Buddhist scriptures into Chinese. More than 100 translations are attributed to him. Of these only about 24 can be authenticated, but they include some of the most important titles in the Chinese Buddhist canon. Kumarajiva's career had an epoch-making influence on Chinese Buddhist thought, not only because he made available important texts that were previously unknown, but also because he did much to clarify Buddhist terminology and philosophical concepts. He and his disciples established the Chinese branch of the Madhyamika, known as the San-lun, or "Three Treatises school.""

But who spread the message is probably not that important now.

And you said:

"If the great minds of Paul the Apostle and Buddah had met for a conversation at some point in history...

One can only ponder the possibilities."

I doubt that Paul would have been too receptive to Buddhism. My impression is that Paul was very strong minded in his beliefs. He also was a believer in God the creator of all. Whereas the Buddha certainly did not hold with this belief at all. I doubt that either would have held much sway over the other. But of course that is only conjecture. Who really knows now what would have happened.

I'll back my hero! 🙂 <-- In compliance with Seekerw's preference.

January 14, 2006
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On the 14-Jan-06 you said:

"Tez, Bring your Buddha on, and our Paul will convert him! LOL"

Naaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!

It would be a no contest.

Paul would be running around with a bald, shaven head, saffron robes and a begging bowl chanting the Prajnaparamita Sutra before you could say 'Jack Robinson'.

I won, I won, I won ... ... 🙂 🙂 🙂 ... ... to infinity.

January 14, 2006
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Tez,

You said,"My Buddha can beat your Paul..." You know, I don't think I've ever heard you refer to Buddah as yours before. Last time we talked on the subject, I think you were flirting with many Gods and had yet to commit to a single one. Are you in fact a Buddhist? Is he in fact your Buddah?

I stand corrected on the spread of Buddhism in Asia. It was actually an Indian King and warrior named Asoka who sent Buddhist Priests across the world,including Asia where Buddhism has it's largest following.

You said, "I doubt that Paul would have been too receptive to Buddhism."

I inquired about how Paul would respond to Buddah (and Buddah to Paul), not Buddihsm.

Something tells me they would walk away richer for sharing experiences and viewpoints with each other. Something tells me they would both sense the presence of greatness in each other.

The subject of trying to sway each other may never even come up.

Maybe...

But if this must be reduced to a round of my hero can take your hero, I'd pick Paul. He was in better physical condition.

January 15, 2006
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Hey Young & Restless,

{Saul and the reasons God chose him remain an enigma to me. ... The best I can figure here is that Saul actually thought he was doing God’s work when he was persecuting Christians}

I believe you've hit the nail on the head. Paul was a "young man" (about 30) at the time of Steven's stoning, and being a witness to it, he didn't actually throw stones then. Paul may have innocently been taken in by the zeal of the older Pharisees.

Christ said that those who kill the apostles will think they are doing God a service.

I'll also add that Paul was a man of action. He wasn't afraid to act on his beliefs. Yet he could change his mind quickly. When Christ appeared to him, one of the first things he said was, "Lord, what would you have me do now?" He was humble.

{I think some part of him knew that it is just not human nature to die defending a lie, you know what I mean?}

Good point.

{Would the all-powerful messiah allow this to happen to himself?}

Where is it, in 1 Corinthians? where Paul writes "But we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumblingblock" ... to them, a crucified Messiah was an oxymoron.

{You [Paul] will become the second most instrumental person in the spread Christianity.}

His persecutions actually helped spread the gospel. Acts records that the disciples who were scattered by the persecutions spread the gospel to others in their new homes, and this furthered the Lord's work. It must have gotten people's attention that one of the foremost persecutors of "the Way" became overnight one of its greatest advocates.

{You know, it would have been so cool to hang out with the revolutionary that is Jesus.}

I have a daydream about going back in time to spend one day with Christ. I imagine he would look at me and say, "Why are you here? I need you to stay where you belong." and send me right back to the present.

{I think God’s interaction with the man Moses was most relatable.}

Moses has a special place in my heart, just like Paul. Once I prayed to know whether Moses really was a prophet, because I fell into doubt and needed to know, and the Holy Ghost answered me that he was.

{Remember when he said to him something like: Hey Moses, stop praying, get up, and use the staff in your hand! LOL.}

LOL, too! In fact, ROTFL!

{But if it is not, what might your question be?}

It's not too personal at all. It's never occurred to me to ask him anything on that day. I suppose the question I'd ask is, "Did I serve you well? Am I acceptable to you?" (I know, that's two questions, but maybe if I ask them real fast he'll answer them both.)

{And finally, no pressure on your conversion experience. I appreciate your willingness to discuss it.}

I'd be interested in hearing your conversion story as well, if you would feel comfortable sharing it.

{Your story is like the 67th book…how did Paul phrase it- A living epistle? How AWESOME is that?}

I'm flattered you'd think of my story in this way. Thank you.

Take care, and we can talk about Jesus, Paul, Moses, Jeremiah, Daniel, or any of the other prophets and apostles anytime as far as I'm concerned.

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Tez,

{"Tez, Bring your Buddha on, and our Paul will convert him! LOL"

Naaaaahhhhhhhhh!!!!

It would be a no contest.}

My friend, you're ever so sadly mistaken. :o) Beelining out from his corner, Paul would feint with his sermon about the law and the Gentiles, jab with his unknown God speech, and deliver the knockout punch by reciting prophecies of Jesus in the Old Testament.

Before you could even say, "Jack" (let alone "Robinson"), the Buddha would be pushing a cartload of Bibles back to Asia, singing hymns all along the way, entirely forgetting every sutra he'd ever heard.

You're right; it would be no contest! :o)

January 15, 2006
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Seek,

"His persecutions actually helped spread the gospel..."

Yes! I hadn't thought much about this point, but what a point it is. I marvel at the fact that Our Father can use any circumstance or situation to display his glory...WOW! Further proof for scriptorial proclaimation that everything works out for the good of those who love him: Even when it doesn't "feel" like it -in him- the bad is good, the good is good, it's ALL good!!!

LOL, Your daydream is funny. Do you obediently say...yes Lord, or do you plead your case? I've often imagined what life would be like, were I were born in his day and time. I would be every bit the hot head that Peter was...Cutting off ears, shooting off my big mouth. I see so much of myself in him.

Great questions for him on "that" day.

For certain I'll tell you my story. I don't know if the term conversion applies, because my parents were Christian People. Therefore, I've always know "of" him. I would love to tell you my story of accepting salvation and the things that continue to reinforce my faith.

I'll follow youf lead on this, but again...Feel no pressure friend; Whenever you're ready.

Until then, I'll consider it a pleasure to talk with you about the phophets or any other subject that may turn up.

January 15, 2006
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I pissed myself laughing at your last response.

I'm going out to the fridge to suck a lemon to try to get this smile off my face.

I'm sure that the Buddha would appreciate and love the humor. But with his anal retentivity problem, I doubt than Paul would.

🙂 still laughin'

January 15, 2006
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Young and Restless,

{Further proof for scriptorial proclaimation that everything works out for the good of those who love him:}

That's a coincidence (or is it really?). I just got through quoting this same scripture to Tez on Does God have NPD? thread. I believe I was inspired to do so.

{LOL, Your daydream is funny. Do you obediently say...yes Lord, or do you plead your case?}

I rather meekly say, "Yes, Lord" and shuffle off, a little embarrassed. Jesus calls after me, "Drop me a line when you get back!" and laughs with a holy laughter, not at me, and I know he's not disappointed with me.

If I'd been around in Christ's day, I'd have been more like Paul than anybody else. I like making reasoned arguments for things, as Paul did so eloquently, and I greatly admire Paul's unknown God speech on Mars' Hill.

Actually, I've changed the question I'll ask him on the last day. I'll lean close to him and whisper in his ear, "Psst. What did Young and Restless just ask you?" lol

I look forward to hearing your story. So you're waiting for my lead, eh? That's how it should be. The man should lead off. :o)

Neither of my parents were practicing Christians. My dad started to attend a Presbyterian seminary, but went to medical school instead. He's never said much about why he made the switch. I had to find religion on my own, which ended up being a good thing.

I'd love to talk about anything from the Bible with you. I love the Bible and can't read enough of it. Feel free to bring up anything you want, and I'll feel free, too.

January 15, 2006
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Tez,

{I pissed myself laughing at your last response.

I'm going out to the fridge to suck a lemon to try to get this smile off my face.}

I hope you throw your pants in the wash along the way. lol

{I'm sure that the Buddha would appreciate and love the humor. But with his anal retentivity problem, I doubt than Paul would.}

Oh, I suspect Paul would get a good laugh at it.

After their match, Paul and Buddha would form a comedy club act -- Buddha would be the funny guy, and Paul would be the straight man. They'd generate a lot of laughs together.

Take care, and please use Spray and Wash on those pants. lol

January 16, 2006
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Paul I think is one of mine, and Martin Luther as well.
Loved the 2003 movie "Luther" - have you seen it?

January 16, 2006
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hopeinhim,

I like Martin Luther, too. He had a lot of courage. I haven't seen "Luther". Bet it's good. Tell me more about it, please.

January 16, 2006
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Peter was kind of cool...crazy, all over the place, possible ADD, judgemental in the book of John...but in Acts, wow what a turn around. The Holy Spirit made him powerful and focused.

Moses was great..."Send anyone but me, I have a speech impediment" he told God. In giving it over to God he did great things.

Then there's Abraham, King David, etc. But I think my favorite is King David.

More recently, George Washington in my eyes was a true patriot, and a man of faith, a great leader.

January 16, 2006
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I agree guys, Martin Luther was a very brave founding father.

I have a lot of respect for Matrin Luther King Jr.

His bravery, persistance, commitment...leaves me without a word to say(-and that's not an easy thing to do). Just larger than life feelings of respect and admiration and love.

He said: "The thousand fools proclaim themselves into obscurity, while one wise man forgets himself into immortality"

AND

He said: "The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in a moment of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controvercy."

David is Great!!! There's so much to learn from his life.

January 16, 2006
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Seek,

"That's a coincidence (or is it really?). I just got through quoting this same scripture..."

I've said it before and I'll say it again-I love to watch him work!

The day dream just keeps getting better and better...the humility you described in yourself, yeah, I can see that.

The "Unknown God Speech", tells me that Paul was clever and knew how to rise to the occasion.

He told the men of Athens they had ALREADY been worshiping God without knowing it. And the time had come for a proper introduction. I can't think of more intriguing or thought provoking way to introduce God to a circle of philosophers. "Now what you honour, without knowing it, I am announcing to you..."

The man should lead off...I agree. I may be Young & Restless, but I am very old-fashioned and I value tradition.

"Actually, I've changed the question I'll ask him on the last day. I'll lean close to him and whisper in his ear, "Psst. What did Young and Restless just ask you?"

LOL. ROFL. I can only speculate, but I think he would just smile at you, place his hand on your shoulder, point his chin in my direction and say: Son, goeth fourth and asketh her! She mighteth be touched.

Seek, Thanks for the fun tonight!

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Young and Restless,

{The "Unknown God Speech", tells me that Paul was clever and knew how to rise to the occasion.}

I just now remembered something a minister friend of mine said. He told me it was illegal and punishable by death to introduce more gods on Mars' Hill, as there were already an overabundance of them. So Paul found a statue to "The Unknown God" and proclaimed Jesus as being that god. He could introduce Christ as a new God without breaking the law -- pretty clever man, was our Paul!

{I can't think of more intriguing or thought provoking way to introduce God to a circle of philosophers.}

Agreed!

{I can only speculate, but I think he would just smile at you, place his hand on your shoulder, point his chin in my direction and say: Son, goeth fourth and asketh her! She mighteth be touched.}

I suspect you're right. No, I know you're right. And he'd add: "As Confucius say: Go straight to the beehive if you want the honey. Now run along now, you hear?" (I hope I don't sound blasphemous; I certainly don't mean it as such.)

Take care. Hey, why don't you join us on the Ask or Comment Bible thread? You might like it.

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I second all your thoughts about Peter, King David, etc., and George WAshington. Without a man like George Washington, we'd have had no United States today -- he was only man all the colonies trusted to be commander in chief.

January 17, 2006
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Seek,

Naaah, I don't hear blasphemy at all and moreover, I think it is entirely likely that HE might quote confucius. Certain aspects of God's love remained hidden from me until I became a mom. I think, much like us, HE takes pride in many of thoughts and deeds of humanity -his most precious creation.

I definately like it...I noticed your post on the Bible Thread and thought..."what a great idea this is." When I have something good, I look forward to contributing.

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Young & Restless

{Certain aspects of God's love remained hidden from me until I became a mom. I think, much like us, HE takes pride in many of thoughts and deeds of humanity -his most precious creation.}

Well said! We are definitely God's favorite creation -- we are worth more to him than all the planets, stars, oceans, greenery, and animals (sorry, SPCA!) combined. He created the entire universe for our benefit.

{When I have something good, I look forward to contributing.}

I hope you don't keep me in suspense for too long. I'd love to hear what you have to say, even a favorite verse or two (hint, hint!).

Seek

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Soon... * smile *

It's like my mom use to say to me: Do you want it fast OR do you want it good? That kind of instilled a life long appreciation for anticipation in me.

What's SPCA?

LOL, think I get your hint. I'll read tonight and post tomorrow. If I'm correct (and you're ready to tell your story, -sorry, I'm not as good at the subtleties as you are friend, LOL) I wouldn't miss that for anything.

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Young & Restless,

{It's like my mom use to say to me: Do you want it fast OR do you want it good?}

I want it fast AND good. But failing that, I'd rather have it good than fast. All right, all right, I get your point. :o)

SPCA is the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals.

Actually, I'm not quite ready to post my story yet. I guess I'm not as good at subtleties as some people think I am, LOL! It will be a while yet. It will take me a bit of time to write, and I don't have much time anymore. When I post it, I'll be sure to start a new thread with your name in the title. That way, you can't miss it.

But I do hope you'll share some of your favorite Bible verses on the other thread. Hint, hint!

Take care, Seeker

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Seek,

(Scrunching my face...squinting my eyes...rapidly drumming my fingertips against my lips...)

hmmmmmmm?

For all my efforts, I just don't get the hint. Could you rephrase for me? How about giving me a hint for my hint? I wanna know!

Better yet, hold on to the hint for me.

Some day in the future, I will inquire of you. You can explicitly tell me what it means. And, we'll both have ourselves a good laugh.

Sound like a plan?

I will take care!
You as well friend!

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