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Kabala & Scientology
January 1, 2007
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A number of hollywood acotrs and artists are getting into spirituality. I am curious about this being the spiritual person I am.

Actors like Tom Cruise who embraces Scientology even tho he got married lately to a devout Catholic Katie Holmes esp her parents who are very Catholic. And then, there is Madonna who seems to embrace spirituality with its two horns the Kabala.

Does anyone know anything about the principles of those 2 philosophies (Kabala & Scientology) and their principles/values? How do you feel about hollywood stars whom we might imagine as faraway from being spiritual...why do you think folks like that would embrace spirituality???

~Ras~

January 1, 2007
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I dont know much about it but I did read some disturbing things at least to me about scientology. Like no breastfeeding and dont bath the baby after its born. There is also the thing were the birth room should be as quiet as possible because if its not it could effect the child when he is grown up. Now if I read this from a site that is not correct please correct me but I firmly believe in breastfeeding. It is the absolute best thing for your baby.

January 1, 2007
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RW~ You are absolutely correct. Breastfeeding is still the best thing for your baby.

I don't know much about Kabala. I'd be interesting in learning what other people think about it.

January 1, 2007
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology This is the site that I got that information from there is a ton more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabbalah

January 2, 2007
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Hi RW,

Thanks for the link. I had a quick scan through the Wikipedia article on Scientology. I didn't see any mention there of the fact that in 1952, Re-evaluation Counselling (RC) was also registered and incorporated as an organization for the practice and teaching of Dianetics. L. Ron Hubbard and Harvey Jackins (founder of RC) were previously partners who were involved in the formation of dianetics. They split at that time, Hubbard to go on with Scientology, Jackins with RC.

Practitioners of RC are not told about the fact that RC is an offshoot of Dianetics, but the info is available on the internet. At the time I was involved in RC, I was sent a photocopy of the articles of incorporation which clearly showed the registration and used the word "dianetics". There were other coverups that were more central to my decision to leave RC, but the pattern of lying about RC's origins was consistent with other lies.

January 2, 2007
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Thanks (((Randy))) for the website links. I will definitely check them out!!!

~Ras~

January 2, 2007
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Here is what I found about Kabala:

No it not derived from the Hebrew Kabbala, as it was developed independently.

Historical records show that the ancient knowledge, which became the basis of the Hebrew / Jewish Kabalah, originated in Chaldea, India, and Egypt and was incorporated to a certain degree in the Jewish religion. It could be thought of as a study taken up and advanced by Hebrew scholars.

The Kabalarian Philosophy, as developed by the founder, Alfred J. Parker, is the knowledge of the Mathematical Principle through which the abstract forces of Consciousness take form and the through which these Conscious forces may be measured, analyzed, and understood by the human mind.

The knowledge of the Mathematical Principle comes out of the mists of antiquity and explains in a basic way; the understanding of the power of language through the Mathematical Principle and how through the attachment of a name, human mind is created.

The Kabalarian Philosophy is not linked or connected or derived from the Hebrew Kabalah. But truth is eternal, and can be recognized in many sacred writings if the esoteric symbolism is understood.

The word "kabal" means, "to receive", thus a Kabalarian Student receives the wisdom of the true Power of the Word.

The Society of Kabalarians of Canada is the non-profit organization that teaches this Kabalistic wisdom developed by the late Alfred J Parker. By teaching this understanding as a practical yet universal set of principles or laws, you can go out and test and use them in your life.

Mathematics, a Fundamental Law
© Alfred J. Parker
How everything lies veiled in numbers, is the wisdom of the Kabalah. There are profounder meanings in mathematics than the technical values that are commonly understood. Mathematics is the universal measurement through which all the secrets of nature are discovered.

Human mind did not create mathematics; it is a fundamental law of all existence, and we are merely discovering it.

Mathematics is the pathway to all knowledge and progress; it is the law of dimension through which everything comes into manifest form and therefore is the Principle of Life. It is the only proof, or definite measurement, of any science, theory, or philosophy.

Mathematics is the infallible principle which enables science to measure everything according to its vibration, to segregate and to recorrelate the elements of nature, and thus to create new forms of matter.

Mathematics is the universal measurement that proves the relationship and oneness of all things.

The Kabalarian Philosophy reveals the spiritual intelligence behind the invisible forces of nature, which manifest through the symbols of numbers and letters. Science has proved that all life is motion (we call it vibration) and that everything: substance, shape, colour, species, sound, light, and all forms of life, have their being in and through vibration. The mathematical measurement of these forms, through their different vibrations, divulges their nature. The application of this divine measurement proves the existence, quality, and nature of all forms of life. Mathematics is basic and is the pathway to God. God is all there is. There can be nothing outside of God.

Law of Vibration

Through the law of vibration we realize the relationship between the name, the mind, and all the functions of the body--how harmony can be produced through the proper mathematical balance of divine forces manifesting through the name--thus insuring health and functional balance.

In addition to the name, there are many outside forces that can influence and affect this balance; but the name is basic, and any forms of indulgence are relative to and contained in the balance of the name.

In the case of health, every change of mathematical vibration of the bloodstream affects the change of form of germ life of which the bloodstream is composed; thus diseases are catalogued. Changed vibrations are proved through diagnosis. The changes of germ form, which are really changes in vibration, constitute the different forms of sickness in the human body.

Every letter of the alphabet has its own specific mathematical value and character, which is its intelligence. In the Kabalarian Philosophy, we regard numbers and letters as forms of intelligence rather than as practical symbols. It is the forces behind the numbers and letters that we recognize. Names are a combination of these letters and intelligences. Thus the motivation of the brain cells is the expression of thought and intelligence caused through these invisible forces.

Name is like a chord of notes in music: it blends individuality of letters to a chord, or one harmonizing whole, i.e., if balanced; yet there is a keynote that dominates the chord. As in music, so with names; the many forces are reduced or blended into a keynote, showing the predominant nature of the name and the person.

January 2, 2007
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Here is what I found about Scientology:

The Church says that Scientology is concerned with "the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others and all of life."[9] By contrast, Dianetics is more narrowly focused on getting rid of the reactive mind, the "bank" of traumatic memories known as engrams which are said to inhibit one's success and happiness.[10] Scientology also covers topics such as ethics and morality (The Way to Happiness), drug and chemical residues as they relate to spiritual wellbeing (the Purification Rundown), communication, marriage, raising children, work-related problems, education (Study Technology), and the very nature of life (The Dynamics).

Scientology practices are structured in sequential series or levels, reflecting Hubbard's belief that rehabilitation takes place on a step-by-step "gradient"; for example, that the negative effects of drugs must be addressed before other issues can be "handled". Scientologists follow a sequence of courses that culminate in the esoteric advanced strata of Scientology's teachings. This is described as a passage along "the Bridge to Total Freedom", or simply "the Bridge," in which each step of the Bridge promises a little more personal freedom in some particular area of life.

Some central tenets of Scientology:

A person is an immortal spiritual being (termed a thetan) who possesses a mind and a body.
The thetan has lived through many past lives and will continue to live beyond the death of the body.
Through the Scientology process of "auditing", one can free oneself of "engrams" and "implants" to reach the state of "Clear", and after that, the state of "Operating Thetan". Each state is said to represent recovering the native spiritual abilities of the individual, and to confer dramatic mental and physical benefits.
A person is basically good, but becomes "aberrated" by moments of pain and unconsciousness in his or her life.
What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. No beliefs should be forced as "true" on anyone. Thus, the tenets of Scientology are expected to be tested and seen to either be true or not by Scientology practitioners.
Psychiatry and psychology are evil and abusive practices.[11]
Scientology claims to offer "exact" methods of spiritual counseling to help people achieve awareness of their spiritual existence, while enhancing their effectiveness in the physical world. The exact nature of all of existence is said to be stated in Hubbard's Scientology and Dianetics Axioms.

According to the Church, the ultimate goal is to get the soul (thetan) back to its native state of total freedom, thus gaining control over matter, energy, space, time, thoughts, form, and life. This freed state is called Operating Thetan, or OT for short.

January 3, 2007
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RW & Ras~ If I ever need a research assistant I'm calling the two of you!! LOL

Thanks for the information. I am going to print it out and read it.

Cyndra

January 4, 2007
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Ummm....there would be a huge difference between Kabbalah and Scientology. One was invented out of whole cloth by L. Ron Hubbard, and the other is...something else.

Most of what I know about the origin of Scientology comes from interviews with the Son of the founder of Scientology.

According to L. Ron Hubbartd's son, the family was in real desperate times, partly because L. Ron Hubbard's writing career was going badly, but mostly because Dad was an incredibly nutso, volatile, alcoholic, drug-addicted, philandering, wife-beating, child abusing narcissist.

Not that I am one to criticize people's right to freedom of religion, but the son also reported that he was raised by his father to be a devout Satan Worshipper!

No Kidding. Satan worship was the family religion.

In betwen beatings and various tortures, the son recalls Dad giving him chewing gum laced with Fentanyl (a powerful narcotic drug, much more potent than morphine) when he was eight years old.

Hubbard explained to his son, and I quote: "Drugs are the best way to get close to Satan."

January 4, 2007
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Later on, the Dad was always complaining that he wished he could figure out a scam to steal money from people wirh.

Eventually, the son recalls, his Dad I have a revelation of the form: "I've got it! Religion! People are suckers for religion! All I have to do is come up with a really stupid religion and we'll be rich and the lord Satan will be satisfied with my service! Ha ha ha ha ha!"

I know, it seems a bit over the top, but that's what the founder of the church says what happened.

January 4, 2007
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So then, the little boy who was a devout Satan worshipper became the number two man in the worldwide church of scientology.

As he recounts, his father was completely contemptuous of people who joined the church. "This is about money period."

He had three really amazing stories from those days.

The first was that He, as the son of the founder, was the main church enforcer.

See, the church mythology and methods were (and are) so absurd, that people would naturally get bored, or suspicious, or disappointed, or disgusted, and decide to take their money and go home.

This was before we had cult deprogrammers who would abduct people from the mooneys and try to brainwash then out of their cult brainwashing.

L. Ron Hubbard's son said that HIS job, when people tried to quit was to first intimidate them into not quitting. Then, if they did leave, he would go to their house, break down their door, beat them black and blue, and drag them bodily back to the church premises for re-conditioning.

He recalls really liking that part of his job, because he was dedicated to his dad, dedicated to the church and dedicated to Satan.

January 4, 2007
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And that was the beginning of the falling out between father and son.

Because L. Ron Hubbard, as he became more rich and powerful, seemed to lose his love of the great lord Satan. Instead, he more and more seemed to be convinced that HE WAS Satan!

Blasphemy.

January 4, 2007
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Oops. I left out a part of the middle years.

Back before the church was granted real church status, but before L. Ron's son was the main beat-the-crap-out-of-people-who-try-to-leave guy. the son recalls many many recurrences of:

Being always on the run, living in hotels and crappy little parks. When suddenly, the IRS would show up, and the boy and dad would suddenly grab a suitcase full of 100 dollar bills and suddenly be on the run again...a little boy, raised as a fugitive.

January 4, 2007
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Eventually L. Ron Hubbard and his son really fell out.

It was because of the cold war.

The son noticed that everytime he was at a Scientology temple there were always well-dressed Russians there, often in conference with his dad.

So he did a little digging in the file cabinets and found out that his father, L. Ron Hubbard, was a Soviet agent in the pay of the KGB, that the church was being funded by KGB, and the Scientology Temples were all KGB safe houses from where KGB agents launched all kinds of evil missions. I guess you couldnt swing a dead cat in a scientology church without hitting a KGB agent.

Well, the young man, although having been raised to be a devout Devil Worshipper, devoted to his father and the church, also happened to be a streak of right wing American Patriotism.

And what with the Cuban missile crisis, Kennedy being shot...KGB agents living in the churches was just too much for him, so he confronted Dad about it. Dad got violent, and the son went on the run and into hiding.

He reported that for the next 20-25 years, he was always on the run, because Dad and the church would track him down wherever he went. He lived in constant fear that he would be found and killed by the church, lest he reveal their secrets.

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I was not being funny or making a joke there by the way. That is really what the son and co-founder of the church of scientology says happened.

January 4, 2007
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ouch. I had heard that it started as a joke and they wanted to see how far it was going to go and it was orgionaly written down on a paper napkin in a bar. Its just what I heard. Thanks Worried dad for that

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Ouch is right.

It really makes me mad.

Oh but wait, it gets better.

You heard about that the Earth used to be a concentration camp where the Emperor of the Galaxy sent millions of political prisoners in giant spaceships that look exactly like DC-9s to be dumped into the volcanoes of Hawaii millions of years ago?

January 4, 2007
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From here you can download a South Park Episode that explains the religion...

http://www.scientomogy.com/sou.....tology.php

And here you can watch the YAFFM analysis of it. Caution: Contains one occrrence of the F-word.

http://www.zipperfish.com/free.....aafm11.php

January 4, 2007
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My husband will get a kick out of that I will have to share that link with him thank you and thank you for the warrinig too.

January 4, 2007
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Oops, you might not want to go to the YAAFM site RW--it has some very un-PC stuff.

The South Park Episode does it cleanly--it just takes a little longer to watch.

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I used to work for a company founded by a Scientologist. In the very beginning they pushed all their employees to convert, and even some of their customers. DH and I have a friend who told stories about the company's founder constantly raising the subject.

One day their VP of HR stormed out on them because he got fed up with their crap. They decided losing him wasn't worth it so they stopped, and he returned.

During the time I was there I never had anyone push Scientology on me and never saw it done to anyone else. But you sure as h*** didn't make fun of it either, at least not out loud. We did jokingly refer to it as the L. Ron Church of the Wayward.

IMHO it's dangerous. Just do a Google search for Lisa McPherson if you want to know how dark and scary they really are.

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