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crystalwaters
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I
seem to be one of a small minority who thinks this JetBlue flight
attendant is not only NOT a "working class hero" but is a really
troubled person who the airline should have noticed needed some
help before they assigned him to work in the air. It makes me want
to ask, why bother having screeners at the airports when the crew
members are being assigned to flights in fragile mental
states?

I'd love to hear
other thoughts on this, whether they agree with mine or not...I am
just amazed at how this guy is being touted as a hero. I'm not a
psychologist, but his actions just scream "manic" to me.

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...and I'm saying this as someone who lives off temp work and
has no idea whether she will have work from week to week, day to
day. I'm about as working class as you can get, and he sure isn't
MY hero.

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Personally, I loved it! He may very well have issues, I don't
know. But can you even IMAGINE having to deal with the public in
that capacity for more than 20 years???? I'm willing to bet that
man had to deal with more than his share of bull**** over the
years.

I worked in a
retail environment for just over three and it changed the way I
feel about people forever.

More often than
not they were rude, obnoxious, arrogant, self-absorbed, entitled,
selfish, ignorant, oblivious....

Anyway, I thought
is exit was fabulous 🙂

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I
though HIS exit was fabulous...

August 11, 2010
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I
think the reality is that many of us have "issues" that could
potentially affect our career on many levels.

I think media
coverage over stupid stuff like this only encourages people to be
more ballsy.

I know that flight
attendants used to be a VERY rigorous training process, and they
used to be VERY picky about alot of stuff...but with all the legal
crap regarding equal rights and all kinds of other legal stuff,
they have relaxed the rules on some levels.

PLUS, jetblue is
one of the discount airlines, so their equipment and such is not up
to the same par as the major airlines, so perhaps their employee
training and screening aren't either?

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Don't
get me wrong -- I think that that passenger was TOTALLY in the
wrong. Charges should be brought against her as well in my opinion,
as she struck him AND refused to follow crew directives.

I think that
employees of an airline ought to be taken care of more when it
comes to their health -- mental AND physical. Lollipop, I've worked
in retail as well, and also am mostly temping as a receptionist
right now -- so I've definitely been abused by the public to the
point that I've wanted to tell someone to F off. If I did, I'd be
in deep shit with my agency as well as lose any chance of
unemployment insurance, but my outburst would probably not affect
others' security and safety. A flight attendant's could.

I've been trying
to explain to people on Facebook that I'm not out to demonize this
guy. I am out to chastize the airline, because if you have an
employee going up in the air who is recently abstinent from alcohol
and flying cross country often to take care of a dying
mother...also it seems that he came out as gay fairly recently, as
there is a boyfriend now and there is also an ex-wife...I believe
the employee should be checked in with, asked how he's doing. That
is a LOT of stress for a person to take. Add working on an airplane
to the mix and yeah, someone could go over the edge. The airline
should be taking better care of their employees in my
opinion...

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as I
said, dicount airline - discount treatment of everything
involved.

I think in this
economy, companies have to cut back on everything they can -
spending money to track an employee's mental state of mind is
probably not a high priority.

I think
ULTIMATELY, it was the guy's choice to do what he did - to take the
actions he did - and it's his responsibility to face the
consequences.

Most employers
don't care about their employees state of mind - just as long as
the job gets done according to their expectations.

Look at how many
postal workers have gone homidicidal? it happens. It's not the
employers fault for not monitoring it - it's the employees fault
for not getting help when he felt he was under alot of
stress.

Just my opinion -
I think everyone should be held accountable for their own actions,
choices and decisions.

Should employers
do more for their employees, as a rule, in general, as a whole?
yes....but money is money and that is what drives big
business.

August 11, 2010
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Flying is a nightmare these days no matter how you look at it.
The cutbacks and the conditions have gotten pretty bad - so the
experience isn't any better than a Greyhound bus - except you get
to your destination faster. And the people that fly have become
completely intolerant and act out accordingly. I've seen my share
of crazy passengers, and don't know how the crews on these planes
maintain their composure flight after flight. And from what I
understand, those crew members really don't make enough money to
deal with that type of crap.

I would have
laughed my ass off if I had seen that guy grab a beer, chuck his
luggage out, and jump onto that slip'n'slide thing to get out of
that plane. Priceless.

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I
might have joined him! Looks like fun...no fun waiting in a throng
of people who are tired, smelly and irritable, trying to get your
luggage from the compartment without causing bodily harm to
anyone.

Every fly with an
infant alone?

I do NOT recommend
it.

ESPECIALLY on
economy/discount airlines.

I have gotten
lucky every time and been near a very understanding and helpful
grandma who went out of their way to help me out. Had it not been
for those angels, my flight may have left me locked in a looney
bin!

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Crystal, I understand your point and believe me, I would lose
my job too (as I'm sure this guy did) if I reacted the way I wanted
to sometimes. Most people would. Which is why I think people are so
supportive of him....because he DID what we all WISH we could do!
But remember...from what I read...this guy has been a flight
attendant for more than 20 years. He could very well have a been a
perfectly sane man all those years until he just had one rude
passenger too many. And we also don't know what his circumstances
are either. He could have a boat load of money and been planning
that exit for a long time, lol.

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the
only problem i had with it was his employing the slide. it will
cost us taxpayers oh prolly $100,000.00 to roll that thing back up
and get the plane re-certified for flight.

otherwise he was
good to go im my book.

lovin

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People touting him as a hero is due to several reasons. Its not
that he actually did something great. Its the general public anger
that is nowadays directed at airlines (delays, extra fees, rising
costs and so on). In reality the airlines are trying to do their
best and most of all, survive. Yea I still hate the extra
fees.

Now thats the
cultural reason why he was being touted as a hero. If he did the
same thing in a 'publicly loved' profession say hmm, lets see: An
animal shelter, he would never be seen as a hero by
anyone.

The whole thing
was unusual and caught people's eyes and was interesting: his
letting out the slide and sliding down and running home. Yea he
must have been mentally disturbed or highly stressed in life to
have done that.

People are just
being people, going against the 'evil' big corporations and taking
the side of the guy who did something 'heroic' against them. It was
brave but stupid. I've done those things sometimes too and then
later I'd say "oops".

We should not
suffer the cost of his actions. He should pay for all that, the
slide cost whatever it was. Maybe $5000 who knows.

What should be
done is this, he should pay the cost of the whole affair, the
repairs and also the value of time - the time everyone lost over
this. The passenger should also pay for being rude and banned for 5
years from flying. That should teach people to keep themselves in
line and not let their feelings 'fly' in the face of everyone else.
That's what would happen in ideal world.

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Good
points, all.

This incident
definitely brought up a lot of emotion inside me. As the years have
gone by since the 9/11 attacks, I've thought to myself that while
we're sending people over to lose their lives in other countries --
activity that has accomplished next to NOTHING -- we are gonna be
neglecting the domestic front, and THAT is what is going to be the
end of us. Airlines paying their people slave wages, forcing them
to work overtime, and not caring about how the humans who work in
these high-stress positions for them are doing -- that's an
example. Not to mention the faulty stuff going on with planes over
the past decade, too.

I don't profess to
know all the answers, but we've got to care about each other more.
This guy threw a jumbo-sized hissy fit, but look at the guy at the
beer distributor in Hartford the other week who shot up a bunch of
people. And the military psychologist -- Nadal? last
year.

I've got some
issues and I'm here posting on a website and researching affordable
therapy. Others can and will act out their issues impulsively --
that could be doing what this guy did, or doing something more
violent.

I hope I made some
sort of sense. I'm still in the minority in my opinion on this
matter, but I'm glad you guys felt like discussing it.
🙂

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crystal...you have every right to have the same hissy
fit.

He WILL pay
"something" in consequences...but will it be enough to discourage
others from doing the same? probably not.

You are taking the
high road - controlling your stress, your emotions, your reactions
and your actions - getting help cuz you recognize you need
it.

Other are reckless
and irresponsible and take their frustrations out on others - and
get noticed for it.

The reality is
ANYONE can act up - and act out...some get noticed, some do not.
Some are very public about it, others are very private.

It's a choice this
guy and others made....you have a choice, and choose the more
responsible direction - good for you!

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Now
he wants to come back to work again. Next he'll apologize to the
airlines. Then he'll apologize to the passenger and they'll do the
"Obama" meet (when two people meet to apologize and have a beer).
Then he'll try to get a reality show with the passenger. blah blah,
typical.

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I
read that early this morning...a flight attendant friend of mine
shared the article on fb...and I'm not surprised one bit. If this
guy gets his job back...while meanwhile people are excluded from
such jobs because of bad credit or because they were caught smoking
weed 10 years ago...I just don't know. sigh.

You think they'll
give him a big ol' press conference for his apology the way they
did Tiger? :/ ridiculous.

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Another airline is probably gonna offer him a job, for the
publicity stunt. :D, free advertising really. Lets see who does
it!

Yea, press
conference definitely a possibility too. The public is also bored
and waiting around for something exciting to happen.

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I
hope no other airline offers him a job. What he did is a huge
safety risk.

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Yea,
jet Blue said in their letter to the employees that deploying that
slide can really kill a person so its like a gun.

They said what he
did was (ofcourse) not justified in any circumstances. Hopefully
he's punished to the max because only someone really mischievious
would behave like that (beer, and out the slide).

Right now he's
enjoying the camneras but the moody person he is, hopefully he'll
lash out at the cameras real good so we can have a nice Youtube
moment.

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