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Jesus Supports the New Site Guidelines on Religion
May 10, 2005
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In my opinion, Jesus expressed the religion guidelines for this site over 2000 years ago, and the SC is just paraphrasing him.

It is fully possible to be a helpful, spiritual person here without profuse displays of piety or referencing any particular religious dogma.

Or, as Jesus said:

"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.”

β€œAnd when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. But when you pray, go to your room and shut the door and pray to your Father Who is in secret; and your Father Who sees in secret will reward you."

"And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.”

May 10, 2005
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May 10, 2005
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IMHO WD, you are speaking the truth...

It's like that gospel song.."They will know we are Christians by our love". The people who inspired and propelled me to give ole JC another chance were people who lived their faith in quiet humility, and let others live their lives according to the dictates of their own conscience. The peace they eminated inspired those around them...and you just couldn't help but want a little bit of what they had.

You don't need to talk the talk...it's walking the walk...it's the way we treat each other that really counts...that was His message, and we don't need biblical quotes to share that with others. We just need to do it.

I think He gets lost in this kind of thing, and a negative association builds that He doesn't deserve...Christ was a teacher worthy of the same respect that the other great teachers get...Buddha, Mohammad...my experience (personal) is that overzealous Christians can really turn people away from Him...the message is misconstrued and IMHO misrespresented. Christ was mild...meek...nonconfrontational...He left it for people to decide...He drew so many people in because of the way He treated them.

Sorry...rambling. Good post...you're a brave man πŸ™‚
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May 10, 2005
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It is scarey out there with the attack on God....Ten Commandments on the courthouse grounds not allowed. Prayer in school, etc etc etc. It is an attack and it seems to be everywhere. I am sure that is part of the concern after guildines were announced. Also I think people are genuine in needing spirituality in their life. I know it is important to me. I found the support threads much better then they were one year ago. I cant think of a better feeling when someone tells you they are going to pray for you. It added warmth to the site, I feel.

May 10, 2005
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Interesting quotes you brought up here. As anyone has seen from my postings, I am not one to be able to quote or find referencing from scriptures either here or in my own real life. Just not my style; I a not very good at it if it were my style. But I do know what is in my heart and faith. I try to be open to learning and other's ideas from other faiths.

So I will say the term 'Let go, let God' is a good practice for me. Yes, if all this is true, then he does see what is in your heart before you ask. Yes, he does know what your needs are before you ask. There are so many things that have happened to me these past two years with resolve and finding peace with my mother (who was abusive and selfish as heck as a parent), and other things in my life in just two years, that I could write a book on it all, tho' I have not shared these experiences here. Some would say they are coincidences, others would say the protection and answered prayers of a caring God, G-d or Higher Power.

I do agree, and as the quotes given also say, that how we present ourselves has more substance and value than what comes forth from our mouths. How you live and what your actions are to others speaks volumes.

May 10, 2005
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Part of why I kinda bowed out of the site was the religiosity. I believe in divinity but I also am very private about my spirituality. I am a practicing buddhist. So it's great when someone says something benign like, I'll pray for you. Heck, I pray for people too. But when they start talking about salvation and stuff like that it's off putting. I respect your religion and faith, please respect mine.

May 10, 2005
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WD,

I have always felt and believed that piety wasn't what any great and virtuous religious leader would expect or want.

If the quotes above are the real deal, then neither did JC. So much visual talk is distracting to the real 'good deeds' that can be done, and the 'good heartedness' that can be shared by and through everyone. Let JC truly be in thy HEART 1000x more than in thy mouth, and prayer be universal, and we're all good here. I think JC supports the guideline too.

I also wanted to briefly address folks who have asked for a '3rd floor' here.

Fact: Did you know, that, These threads used to be called "Religion & Politics"!! & no one would post to them for years except for Tez!! So I changed them to "Food for Thought", and no one would post but Tez. Then I changed them to "Liberation Brew", and people were so confused, that they came...

Love, Peace, Joy, and Universal Prayer to All.

May 10, 2005
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Hello again.

Can I share a memory & a parable?

I remember a religious (Christian I think) parable from when I was very young.

This parable has stuck with me through the years. I think about it every now and then, and find myself thinking about it especially when someone is in need. You'll be the first people I've shared this memory and thoughts with.

I don't know who the people are in the parable, but the story is basically about a father who asks his 2 sons to help him the next day. The first son promises he will help, and the second son makes up a lie so that he doesn't have to help.

The next day, when it came time to help, the first son didn't show up to help, but the second son who lied to his father, did.

What is the moral(s) of the parable?

Have we seen a parable similar to this on the threads the past week?

There are countless stories from our own lives, there is infinite wisdom in our hearts & minds that we all have the natural ability to tap into and follow.

"Words can fall fruitlessly to the ground, but a loving hand extended, can reach far enough to catch the fruit." - Site Coordinator

May 10, 2005
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Honestly, I was scared to go to the Libs when I got here. (I hate confessing up). I thought it was for those who were only intellectuals. Tez, (with fondness I say this), you really scared me as well! And there were others who were oh, so clever with words and views.

It was upon invitation (my shyness) that I came here to Libs with a question I had about codependency. Actually, it was from asking something to the SC, and SC you suggested I post a thread to question it. So I did. I felt like I had graduated!!!! Maybe people think that is silly, but I am honest here about it.

You see, we do not always post what our whole feelings and thoughts are here. We do reserve some secrets about ourselves and I believe wew should.

Good story. But the quote you posted SC, was absolutely awesome!!!!! A keeper.

SewUnique/C

May 10, 2005
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I have been a little apprihesive about posting on the site lately. Not only has my work taken a lot of the energy I had been spending on the internet, but this recent, I guess, debacle on Christianity makes me uncomfortable. I don't quite understand the new guidelines and I am not quite sure of how to post any more.

Not only that, but I have found it really hard to keep track of what I post on the support threads. Most people think they may be posting responses to help others. I post to help myself. It helps me to marshall my thoughts and to see the direction I am trying to follow. I need to see the responses to my posts in order to test the validity of what I am saying and thinking. So I think I am going to move up here from now on.

I, too, have been turned off somewhat by the religiosity of some of our more zealous members. Then I stop and think about that person. A lot of times, it seems that religion, especially christianity, is the rope that keeps some folks from slipping off into the great abyss. So they have to shout that fact to everyone. Some learn to moderate their feelings, some don't. I have no problems with either. If I don't want to listen, I don't. However, I do see SC's point of how it can scare off some of the new arrivals to the site, especially the ones that are raw from their pain and are not coming from a christian perspective, fundametalist or otherwise. I have no desire to force christianity on anyone, nor do I wish to have islam, taoism, buddhism (sp?), satanism, wiccan or any other "ism" forced on me. I believe that any religion that is oppressive is false and that includes many of the forms of christianity.

That said, I state I agree with SC's new guidelines, with reservations.

I just felt a need to say something.

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May 10, 2005
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Matthew 6.1-5, 16

May 11, 2005
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Perhaps I can add something to this, EXACTLY what Worried Dad is "para-phrasing" and then some.

Of course, I'm sure most of you read my underwear comment, and I stand by that - it's got to be what is comfortable for you.

I digress.

Anyway, my cousin - the one in prison - he is a convicted pedophile, he tried to get me to help him embezzle money from his ex-wives, he has admitedly raped women (yes plural) - but says it was not rape because it was "consensual" - when he was married had numerous affairs, by his own parents admission is a thief, they actually checked their possessions after he left - of course no one bothered to tell me this. Well, I could go on and on, but we probably don't have enough time or patience.

WELL... this guy, is now back to writing to me constantly - five, six times a week... and every single letter contains two or three pages of Scripture quoting, and the envelope is stuffed to the ripping point with religious pamphlets. He goes to Mass twice a day, is even an "altar server" - and yet this is not all together new - before he was accused, tried and convicted he was very active in his church.

When I read the particular quotes that Worried Dad put up there, the realization of recognition was astounding.

Still thinking.

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May 11, 2005
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Zinnie

That guy is really getting to be a pain in the ass.

So, the Pedophile is trying too hard to sound Holy, eh?

Actually he is kind of harassing you.

May 11, 2005
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Hey WD,

If it makes you feel better, I don't even read them... they go immediately into the "File 13" aka the trash can.

Z.

May 11, 2005
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am here reading and thinking,thinking and reading.......SC You are allright!

May 11, 2005
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I thought liberation brew was a poetry place. What did I know.

May 11, 2005
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Dear Aces & Spades, I thought it was for women writers,HA!

May 11, 2005
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Liberation Brew is my favorite beer.

May 11, 2005
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Ok, for those who are joining in this brew break, here's some entertaining new words and their definitions:

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The Washington Post's Mensa Invitational once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are this year's winners:

Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.

Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.

Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period.

Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high.

Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.

Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

Karmageddon: It's like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it's like, a serious bummer.

Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.

Glibido: All talk and no action.

Dopeler effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.

Arachnoleptic fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you've accidentally walked through a spider web.

Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.

Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you're eating.

May 11, 2005
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SC: Those are about 5 years old, but they are still the funniest!

May 11, 2005
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Nuts! I'm out of the loop apparently.

Ok, here's a new one:

A "Riberation": A variety of playful, shifting, or thoughtful responses you may get after posting on the Liberation Brew threads!

example:
Q: What the heck is Liberation brew?
A: My favorite beer.

πŸ™‚

May 11, 2005
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Too too funny, what a joyous break in the day, you all are so funny. SC great sharing! ROFL This thread was worth reading for sure.

I thought Liberation Brew was for women's issues only. Am I being sexist? NOT.

May 12, 2005
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For a little more humor...

Baptizing a Drunk

A man is stumbling through the woods totally
drunk when he comes upon a preacher baptizing people in the
river.
He proceeds to walk into the water and subsequently bumps into the
preacher.
The preacher turns around and is almost overcome
by the smell of alcohol, whereupon he asks the drunk,
"Are you ready to find Jesus?"
The drunk answers,
"Yes, I am."
So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the
water. He pulls him up and asks the drunk,
"Brother, have you found Jesus?"
The drunk replies,
"No, I haven't found Jesus."
The preacher shocked at the answer; dunks him
into the water again for a little longer this time.
He again pulls him out of the water and asks
again, "Have you found Jesus, my brother?"
The drunk again answers,
"No, I haven't found Jesus."
By this time the preacher is at his wits end and
dunks the drunk in the water again---
but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds
and when he begins kicking his arms and legs he pulls
him up.
The preacher again asks the drunk,
"For the love of God, have you found Jesus?"
The drunk wipes his eyes and catches his breath
and says to the preacher,
"Are you sure this is where he fell in ?"

CM

May 12, 2005
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Now we are getting somewhere!

Thanks, CM, for a thought provoking and very funny joke. You are in fine form here.

May 12, 2005
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Oh, I love the new words πŸ™‚

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