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Jesus isn't the ONLY way
May 14, 2009
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Hi Mary,

Thanks for posting this list! Fascinating.

I like what you said:

"Nice to remember that there's a big wide world out there with a lot of diversity.

I certainly appreciate the opportunities I've had to live in other countries and experience other cultures first hand. There is really no one and only way for many things. I feel very fortunate to have learned that lesson. I'd miss out on a lot otherwise."

Ohhhh, I am so envious of you - in a good way! Experiencing other countries and cultures first hand!!!! How wonderful and educational that must have been for you!

You know, (coincidence?) just the other day an image popped in my head about a large diamond.....like the one on the Monopoly game board about paying the 'Luxury Tax" as I was thinking about different religions and beliefs ....and what occurred to me was how each facet could represent different religions.

Different facets but ALL CUT FROM THE SAME STONE (if you get my drift...;-) and reflecting light in its own unique way culminating a homegeneous brilliance not in spite of.....but in fact, BECAUSE OF its own, individual uniqueness...together....reflecting light from different angles with no one particular facet dominating.

Also, I find myself tending to try and make sense out of the non-tangible ideas of different religions/beliefs and applying that to something that is tangible - basically food.

I have always known that there is something called: "Holy Trinity of Cruisine" and did a google check just now and came up with this:

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The holy trinity of cuisine refers specifically to the use originated from the Cajun and Creole cuisines of Louisiana where chopped celery, bell peppers, and onions are the staple base for much of the cooking.

A "trinity" can also be a trio of ingredients key to a particular cuisine, although it is also used as a generic representation of the cornerstone ingredients of a particular national cuisine.

Because these three ingredients are so common in the recipes of some cuisines, they are almost indivisible and often end up being treated as a single ingredient and provide the distinctive flavoring of specific cuisines.

Trinities can essentially be flavour bases often arrived at by sautéing a combination of any three aromatic vegetables, condiments, seasonings, herbs, or spices. Cooking these few base ingredients in butter or oil releases their flavour which in turn is infused into other ingredients. This technique is most typically used when creating sauces, soups, stews, and stir-fries.

Common trinities in other cuisines are:

the Indian trinity of garlic, ginger and onion, often ground or mashed into "wet" pastes and sauteed. This is not a universal approach to cooking everywhere in India, for example followers of Jainism avoid garlic and onion among other foods due to their religious beliefs. Also, certain regional cuisines in India may not have a practice of combining these aforementioned ingredients as a flavour base when preparing food.

The definitive Chinese trinity of scallions, ginger and garlic.[1][2] The base of the seasoning combination known as yuxiang (??) consists of these three primary ingredients cooked together. A more distinct trinity of garlic, ginger and chili peppers is a common flavour base used in the spicier regional cuisines of China. Sichuan cuisine in particular, often combines Sichuan pepper with garlic and chili peppers. [3]

The definitive trinity of French cuisine is widely accepted as a Mirepoix of celery, onion and carrot
a flavour base trinity of butter, cream and eggs is typically found in classical French haute cuisine.
a bouquet garni is at its core a combination of parsley, thyme and bay leaves tied together as a flavour base for liquid dishes.

Ginisa is a Filipino culinary term which means to saute with garlic, onions and sometimes tomatoes, it is essentially similar to the Spanish sofrito. [4]

The Greek trinity of lemon juice, olive oil and oregano[5]

The Italian trinity of tomato, garlic and basil; another trinity in Italian cooking is a soffritto of carrot, onion and celery, essentially similar to the French mirepoix.

The "trinity" of garlic, ginseng and kimchi are seen as the cornerstone ingredients of Korean cuisine, although traditional Korean cooking never combines all three ingredients in preparing a single dish.[6]

The Lebanese trinity of garlic, lemon juice and olive oil.

The Mexican trinity of corn, beans and chilies.[7] Three types of dried chilies - ancho, pasilla, and guajillo - are frequently combined to flavour dishes and are also referred as a "Holy Trinity". [8]
the Spanish trinity of bread, olive oil and wine.[9] The sofrito of garlic, onion and tomato cooked in olive oil and widely used as a base for many Spanish recipes is also considered a staple trinity.

The Thai trinity of galangal, kaffir lime and lemon grass.

The Pre-Columbian North American trinity was corn, beans, and squash, which were cultivated together in a companion planting method called the "Three Sisters".

So, along these lines, can you imagine how ridiculous it would sound for someone to say something like....onions are better than garlic and celery is better than corn or ginger is better than chilies?

Can you imagine living in a world with only ONE of these ingredients?????

Just some food for thought....(pun intended 😉

May 14, 2009
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Correction: I should have wrote: "different religions/beliefs and non-beliefs" as well.......

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soofoo,

i've read the Bhagavad Gita and many other religious literature on hinduism, buddism, sufi mysticism, etc. before i became a Christian. and, no, it's not against my "religion" to do so, but i have to ask myself now will it benefit me spiritually? the Bible says all things are lawful, but not all things are profitable or edify.

i think Jesus is still the Christ. He's not here in body because after His resurrection He ascended and now sits at the right hand of the Father where he ever lives to make intercession for us. the Bible also says that He has planted within us the Spirit of Christ and He indwells the corporate church. is that what you mean? maybe you could point me to some scripture.

i agree with how you answered "do not have other gods before me" to trust in or love any thing more than God, is to make it a god. i think we have more idolaters among us (me included) than we are aware of.

grace and peace

May 15, 2009
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Hi bereft,

With all respect, I don't think Jesus said he was "the only way." And I don't see how the verse you sited supports that idea.

Matthew 7:13-14

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

May 15, 2009
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bereft,

This literal view of the bible and verse is so basic that I have difficulty believing that you are serious. You said; "i think Jesus is still the Christ. He's not here in body because after His resurrection He ascended and now sits at the right hand of the Father where he ever lives to make intercession for us."

Do you really believe that these two are sitting somewhere in the human form of a man and his son? Do you believe that Jesus was a miricle worker (and why no miricles today), why do children die everyday, why do our fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters die in war? Was the sea parted, or was that a written to show that those folks found a way to cross the sea?

It just feels like someone has been watching too many movies. For me the bible is a document of history written by men who wanted power, money, and control through fear and shame. There is some important historical value, but it was written by human beings who had an agenda.

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May 15, 2009
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welcome Be-not-anxious_Dad, you didn't say why you think that way, but let me show you what Jesus thought and why i believe He is the only way to salvation.

the most striking feature of Jesus in the Bible is that he was constantly talking about himself. he spoke much about the fatherhood of God and the kingdom of God. but then he added that he was the Father's "Son," and that he had come to inaugurate the kingdom. entry into the kingdom depended on men's response to Him. for example (keep your eye on the personal pronoun):

I am the bread of life; he who comes to me shall not hunger, and he who believes in me shall never thirst.

I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.

I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, het shall he live, and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die.

I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but by me.

Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me.....

you can see how Jesus offered himself to his contemporaries as the proper and only object of their faith and love. it is for man to believe in God; yet Jesus appealed to men to believe in himself. he said, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him who he has sent." "He who believes in the Son has eternal life."

let's go back to Matthew 7. notice there are only two gates. both roads say they point to salvation, God, and heaven (life), but only one road goes there. Jesus said there is a wide gate, but He doesn't tell you to enter it, does He? because it leads to destruction. if you are going to be in the Kingdom, you have to go through the narrow gate.

posters here say, "Christianity doesn't leave room for anyone else's view of salvation." that's exactly right. it is not because Christians are selfish or egotistical; God has only given one way for man to be saved.

"Neither is there salvation in any other; for there is no other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved"....He said that He is "the door of the sheep" and that "he that enters not by the door...but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber." the Bible tells us, "there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man, Christ Jesus."

by the way, look at the rest of Matthew 7, we see more contrasts. there are two kinds of trees: the good and the corrupt. there are two kinds of fruit: the good and the bad, two kinds of builders: the wise and the foolish, two foundations: the rocks and the sand, two kinds of houses and two elements to the storm. so, a clear-cut decision is the issue here, as it is with everyone.

grace and peace

May 15, 2009
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Here is a description of a Christian fundamentalist:

This is from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R.....amentalism

"American fundamentalist beliefs can be traced to the Niagara Bible Conference and, in 1910, to the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church which distilled these into what became known as the "five fundamentals":[13]

1. The inspiration of the Bible by the Holy Spirit and the *inerrancy of Scripture as a result of this.

2. The virgin birth of Christ.

3. The belief that Christ's death was the atonement for sin.

4. The bodily resurrection of Christ.

5. The historical reality of Christ's miracles.

*Biblical inerrancy is the doctrinal position that in its original form, the Bible is totally without error, and free from all contradiction; "referring to the complete accuracy of Scripture, including the historical and scientific parts."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inerrancy

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The Celestial Origins of Religious Belief.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....geN3wRiYj4

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hello Cary, so, you're saying because my literal view of the Bible is so basic, it's difficult to take it seriously? maybe i could just abandon literal interpretation in favor of mystical, allegorical, metaphorical kinds of interpretation that discard all hope of achieving accuracy and coherence if it would be easier for you to believe. i'll take that into consideration.

you've got some interesting questions here. i don't know if you intended on me answering them but i'm going to give them a shot. i don't know, call my NUTS.

some explanation here. there is the Father, there’s the Son, and the Holy Spirit. why is the son called the Son? because He bears the same nature as the Father. it's to make sure that we, as human beings, understand. a son bears the nature of His Father and, that is simply a way for God to establish that the nature of Jesus Christ is the same as the nature of God. Jesus said, “If you’ve seen me, you’ve seen the Father. I and the Father are one. I work and the Father works, and there’s no difference.”

now to your question. if you go to John 1:18, it says, "No one has seen God at any time..." that is speaking specifically of God the Father "...the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him." so if you can't see the invisible God, how do you come to know Him? through the revelation that is given of Him in the person of His Son.

look over in John 12:45: "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me." now He is not talking about physical form because God is a spirit (John 4:24), He doesn't have physical form. but Jesus, who does have physical form, said, "He who has seen me has seen the Father. how can that be? because the very nature, the very character, the very being of God is manifest in Jesus Christ.

yes, Jesus did miracles to convince people that He was of God and the fact that He was God. people don't need miracles today, they just need to understand the Bible. if they won't believe the Word of God, they won't believe miracles either. they didn't back then, they won't now.

why do children die, or why does God let this happen? it happens to everyone. the bigger question is why do any of us live? we should all be dead because the wages of sin is death. it is God's grace that gives us life.

yes, the parting and crossing of the Red Sea was a miracle with no natural explanation, witnessed by two different nations, by the way. if the Israelites walked across a shallow, marshy area, how did the entire Egyptian army drown in two inches of water? now that would have been an even greater miracle!

hope that answers some of your questions.

grace and peace

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Bereft, you said:

"as i have pointed out before, hinduism teaches that the earth rests upon an elephant which in turn is supported by a tortoise."

To me, that sounds about as realistic as the belief that the entire world was created in 7 days, that men lived to be hundreds of years old, that people turned to pilars of salt, and that the entire earth was flooded while all life survived together on an ark!

Come on, you can't criticize the myths of one faith when the faith you profess hold equally outlandish beliefs!

You said:

"such errors regarding the material world are common in eastern writings. but there is not one such mistake in the Bible."

Hello... the story of creation in the Book of Genesis!

How is that ANY MORE BELIEVABLE or plausable than the world being supported by an elephant toting tortoise??

Gimme a break. That is EXACTLY the kind of blind, ignorant, self-righteous hypocracy that grates the nerves of most non-Christians.

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Bereft said:

"Mahatma Gandhi, who seemed to have his life in order, saw his confidence falling apart as he began to face the inevitably of death. where is the truth and joy in that?"

The fabulous SooFoo said:

"Of course, the personal trials of Mohandis Ghandi are not a reflection of the validity of his religion just as the personal trials of any Christian are not a reflection of the validity of the Christ."

Thank you SooFoo, that was muchmore eloquent than I could have put it, but exactly what I thought when i read that.

Actually what I thought was: 'Is she sayin that Christians aren't afraid of dying because that's a damn lie!'

Bereft, have you read anything about the spiritual struggles of Mother Theresa?? She wrote alotabout feeling lost and in the darkness, seperated from God. And she is one of themost beloved, celebrated followers of Christ in the world.

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Bereft,

If you don't mind sharing, I was wondering what led you to become a Christian fundamentalist. You wrote that you studied other religions before deciding on Christianity.

One of my sisters was "saved" during a dark period of her life. I'm sure that happens often. Others may choose therapy or 12-step groups.

Hepburn wrote on the Big Beautiful World thread about her exposure to many different belief systems, and how that has impacted her.

I think if my child were to get very sick, and I could do nothing but pray, I might become more "religious". There are those who lose a child and turn away from God. Yet others who have a mystical experience of some sort which pushes them in a certain direction.

I'm trying to understand what leads people to become zealots. How close is that to fanaticism? What's the next step? Does it offer hope to those who feel powerless?

Others on these threads have shared their backgrounds, so I was hoping you would, too.

Sincerely,

Mary

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Bereft?

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Free2choose,
Thank you for your compliment! I appreciate that. I also thought of Mother Theresa.

Bereft,
I appreciated your explanation of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Like you, I believe that Jesus actually performed all of those miracles. I believe it without a shadow of doubt. Jesus Christ still performs physical miracles today, I have seen it happen in my own life. Otherwise, perhaps I wouldn't believe it, I don't know. But when I asked God, in the name of Jesus Christ, to point me a way to afford my medication, by opening the right doors, He instead healed my disease. Amen. What else can I say? That really happened.

When Jesus heals a sick person he also heals and saves their soul. He explains that although we get very excited about the physical miracle, the miracle he has performed on the soul is far greater than the one performed on the body. Do you recall this part of the bible? Bereft, I do appreciate your patience with me in that I do not know the Chapter and Verse of this passage. Usually, I am able to look them up (and sometimes this is very time consuming for me) but this time I was unable to find it. I am just not hitting the key words. Do you know what passage I am talking about?

"the Bible also says that He has planted within us the Spirit of Christ and He indwells the corporate church. is that what you mean?" Yes. Also, at the last supper He gave us His body and blood. He told us He is married to the church. He is very much still here on the earth, even though He is with the father in heaven.

Can the Christ take a Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim to heaven? Absolutely He can. There is no requirement that they give up their faith. They already love God. A religion is a culture, but God is Spirit.

I am thankful for our discussions, and send you my love in Christ,

soofoo

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looking forward to your response to my post, Bereft

Mary

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soofoo, thank you for your thoughtful response. yes, all those miracles that Jesus did, and we only know a fraction of them. John said "and there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written." amazing.

praise God for His hand in your healing, whether it be a miracle or providence, i don't know. we tend to label things “miracles” when they really are not. i tend to be one of those who believe actual (physical) miracles stopped after the apostolic era. God normally answers our prayers through providence, not by giving us miracles.

however, is salvation a divine miracle? absolutely. remember when Jesus was talking to the disciples in Matthew: "Who do men say that I am?" Peter answered, "Thou art the Christ the Son of the living God." well, how'd he know that? Jesus said, "Flesh and blood did not reveal that unto you but My Father which is in heaven." you know how you can recognize Jesus Christ? only one way, by divine miracle.

Jesus sometimes healed without saving. remember in Luke 17:14-19 where the ten lepers came to Jesus?there was a healing of ten but only one was saved. i guess it's one thing to be cleansed; it's something else to be saved. we know that faith is not necessary for healing. there are many non-Christians who have diseases but still get well, and there are Christians who die. sometimes God honors our faith by healing, but He always honors our faith by saving us.

it sound like the passage you're referring to is John 1:49-51, but not exactly?? Jesus tells Nathanael, you think you saw heaven, you think you saw divine power in my omniscience, from here on you're going to see stuff going on all the time between heaven and earth, or something like that. maybe not. was that it?

i will have to respectfully disagree again with the notion that a Hindu, Buddhist, or Muslim will go to heaven. any religion that does not have Jesus as the sole means of salvation, through faith and faith alone is a false religion. Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6). it can't be any simpler or clearer than that. if we believe He is God, then we probably ought to take what He says as true. and what He said above all other things is that He’s the only Savior. Christianity is not an addition to your life, it is a transformation of your life. put simply, there is no salvation outside of Christ.

the false religions don't know or love the true God. for example, Islam rejects the Trinity and the God of the Bible, insisting instead that allah alone is the one true deity. it denies that Jesus is God, that He died on the cross, and that He was raised from the dead. instead, say Muslims, Jesus was but one of thousands of prophets sent by allah, the greatest of them being mohammed. in other words, Jesus was merely a man.

grace and peace

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Wow, Bereft. Guess you just want to preach and judge and continue with your arrogance.

You have no credibilty as far as I'm concerned. This is a recovery site -people share who they are. You seem to think you're better, above that. You're not.

You're very likely a fraud. Someone who just talks the talk.

Not impressed by you at all.

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Bereft,

I'm suprised that you believe that physical mircles stopped after the apostolic era. I also had a mircle that was unexplainable by the Doctors, other then the Doctors that had seen it happen before with other patients in their many years of working in the medical field.

There are many mircles everyday, but not everyone can understand them, nor believe they exist, but ask around or read some books about the phenomenon of mircles and then you can say they don't exist or stopped after the apostolic era. Trust me they do still exist, but unless you experience such you wouldn't be able to know for sure which I understand but there is no other explaination with medical mircles, and what comes with most of them is the knowing, and peace.

I will not tell you what to believe or what not believe but I will say unless you know without a doubt I wouldn't say that they don't exist because they still do, and it happened to me.

Healing and Peace to you

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patience Mary, all things come to those who wait. i have shared my life before in the past here and most recently who i am through my Christian posts.

i believe people can look into our heart condition from our words, don't you?

grace and peace

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hello Healing and Peace. please understand that i believe in miracles. i believe that every miracle recorded in the Bible literally happened exactly as the Bible described. i also believe that God is always operating on a supernatural level. i believe God can heal people apart from natural or medical remedies. all things are possible with God. what i don't believe, however, is that God uses men and women today as human agents to work miracles in the same way He used Moses, Elijah, or Jesus.

what do i mean by that? to better clarify my position on miracles, i'm going to give you a couple definitions. a miracle is an extraordinary event wrought by God through human agency, an event that cannot be explained by natural forces. miracles always are designed to authenticate the person God has choesn to declare a specific revelation to those who witness the miracle. they are not merely strange happenings, coincidences, sensational events, or natural anomalies.

providence is God's supernatural, sovereign control over all natural events so that His plan and purposes are achieved. God works through normal means, orchestrating events through divine providence. so this is an important distinction to make. God normally answers our prayers through providence, not by giving us miracles. they reveal God's working in our daily lives, but they are not the kind of supernatural signs and wonders Scripture classifies as miracles.

why do i say miracles have stopped? miracles have always introduced new eras of revelation. God has designed miracles for a single purpose -- to confirm His revelation. once God has revealed Himself, then the miracles have no continuing purpose.

for example, when God finished revealing Himself in the Old Testament, that period was closed. in the four hundred year period of history between the Old and New Testaments, God gave no revelation, and certainly nothing miraculous. then, in the New Testament, miracles occurred again. now the New Testament is finished, the Bible is closed, and there are no more miracles.

now, did God heal you and also soofoo? yes. was that a miraculous healing? no. God may have providentially intervened to assure that the normal healing process went as quickly as possible or even sped it up some, but that’s not the same as a miracle. those are important distinctions and i stress it because the Biblical concept of miracles can be cheapened by referring to every answer to prayer as a miracle. it doesn’t diminish the power or the reality of God’s work one bit to acknowledge that He doesn’t normally, ordinarily work through miracles--He works by providence.

does that help? if you're willing to tell me, i'd like to hear how God has worked in your life to heal you.

grace and peace

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Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Main Entry: be·reft

Pronunciation: \-'reft\

Function: adjective Date: 1565

1 a: deprived or robbed of the possession or use of something —usually used with 'of'

b: lacking something needed, wanted, or expected —used with 'of'

2: bereaved

Just curious as to why you chose 'bereft' as your nickname.

1. Miraculous

a) Homer Hailey said, "you cannot explain a miracle, an explained miracle is nonsense."

b) Miracles are always obvious: Acts 3 healing of lame man

2. Non-miraculous providence:

a) Providence is not difficult to explain, yet you do not know the forces that brought it about.

b) Providence is best seen in hindsight. We rarely see it while it is happening to us.

There have been numerous miracles that have happened since the time of Jesus and that are still happening... they are not all 'providence'.

And there have been many horrific sins committed by Christians in the name of Jesus as well.

Would 'hearing' the voice of God, Jesus or an angel be a miracle?

Love and Peace

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There are also many 'karmic' tenets or 'sayings' in the Bible...

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Bereft.

On the 18th May 2009 you wrote:

"i will have to respectfully disagree again with the notion that a Hindu, Buddhist, or Muslim will go to heaven. any religion that does not have Jesus as the sole means of salvation, through faith and faith alone is a false religion. Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6). it can't be any simpler or clearer than that. if we believe He is God, then we probably ought to take what He says as true. and what He said above all other things is that He’s the only Savior. Christianity is not an addition to your life, it is a transformation of your life. put simply, there is no salvation outside of Christ."

With respect, I ask you to please read what I am going to write below as though they were all my original words. Then assuming I believed what I wrote, I would respectfully ask you what you would honestly think and feel about me, my beliefs and my statement below - as follows:

"Bereft, I will have to respectfully disagree again with the notion that a Christians will go to heaven. Any religion that does not have Buddha as the sole means of salvation, through faith and faith alone is a false religion. Buddha said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (Sutra xyz). it can't be any simpler or clearer than that. if we believe Buddha is the Essence Of All Being, then we probably ought to take what He says as true. and what He said above all other things is that He’s the only Savior. Buddhism is not an addition to your life, it is a transformation of your life. put simply, there is no salvation outside of Buddha."

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Please do not take this stance, you are committing a grievious sin.

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Bereft,

Well in my case, and only speaking about me in posting because I can't speak for others that have experienced the same type of mircles, only they can.

I was severely injured, I was in and out of the hosptial for about a year and a half. There were recent MRI's and other dx testing that proved what the medical condition was at the time, and in one moment, not over a period of time, not as you explained at all, the condition was gone, the pain was gone, This coudn't be explained by medical science at all, along with that instant came a boyant, peaceful knowing that it was God, that God is love, and within all of us. I truly can't explain everything because it isn't something that I can even put into words.

The following day and during that week the Doctors ordered test after test to confirm that the condition was gone, and it was, there was not even a trace of the condition left. Now you may choose to believe this happened over a period of time, that is your choice, but it wasn't over a period of time, there were completely severed nerves, this sort of condition just can't heal like that in an instant, in a moment, or the way it happened from one day to the next it was completely healed.

I knew what happened when it happened, and two of the Doctors also knew what happened because they had seen this type of mircle in their past while working in hospitals, the one had witnessed it 3 other times in over 25 years of practicing at the time, and the other twice in his many years of being a Doctor.

I was not praying for a mircle, I didn't ask for this type of healing, I didn't talk to anyone about it prior to it happening at all. I was told by the Mayo clinic in Minn, that there was no cure, and also by my Doctors locally.

I was very angry that my life had come to a complete stop, my mother had called me and I even brought up what I had been told my entire life "that God does not give us more then we can take" out of anger because I couldn't take anymore, and I didn't say that in a prayer form at all. I told her that I didn't believe that for a second anymore, because of the way I was feeling, I couldn't take anymore, and in an instant as soon as I hung up the phone the pain was gone, and I knew what had happened.

So for you to continue to say that mircles don't happen the way they had in any other time is incorrect, and like I said unless you experience such you really don't know. I didn't know before this happened to me, but once it did, I did read a lot about mircles and I found that many had experienced the same. This was not a healing over time, it wasn't God giving me strength to get through some difficult time until the condition healed, this was a mircle, and I know with all my heart what happened, and no one can take that away ever.

I can't say if some people do or don't have some kind of gift to heal, because I don't know, but I do believe in mircles, and there isn't a person on this universe that will convience me otherwise after what happened to me. My faith is strong, I don't go to church, I don't preach to others, I just believe in what I know in my heart. I consider myself a Christian based on what I know in my heart, not on what other people have told me or what I was told to believe while growing up. To me what I felt was enough to know without a doubt that there is a God, and that he loves all of us.

Healing and Peace

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