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Is This Unconstitutional?
February 19, 2007
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Do you know the Preamble for your state? . . . interesting-

Alabama 1901 , Preamble. We the people of the State of Alabama , invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution.

Alaska 1956, Preamble. We, the people of Alaska , grateful to God and to those who founded our nation and pioneered this great land.

Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution...

Arkansas 1874, Preamble We, the people of the State of Arkansas , grateful to Almighty God for the privilege of choosing our own form of government...

California 1879, Preamble. We, the People of the State of California , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom.

Colorado 1876, Preamble. We, the people of Colorado , with profound reveren ce for the Supreme Ruler of Universe.

Connecticut 1818, Preamble. The People of Connecticut, acknowledging with gratitude the good Providence of God in permitting them to enjoy.

Delaware 1897, Preamble. Through Divine Goodness all men have, by nature, the rights of worshiping and serving their Creator according to the dictates of their consciences.

Florida 1885, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Florida , grateful to Almighty God for our constitutional liberty, establish this Constitution...

Georgia 1777, Preamble. We, the people of Georgia , relying upon protection and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish this Constitution...

Hawaii 1959, Preamble. We , the people of Hawaii, Grateful for Divine Guidance .. Establish this Constitution.

Idaho 1889, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Idaho , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings.

Illinois 1870, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Illinois, grateful to Almighty God for the civil l, political and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

Indiana 1851, PreambleWe, the People of the State of Indiana , grateful to Almighty God for the free exercise of the right to choose our form of government.

Iowa 1857, PreambleWe, the People of the State of Iowa , grateful to the Supreme Being for the blessings hitherto enjoyed, and feeling our dependence on Him for a continuation of these blessings establish this Constitution.

Kansas 1859, Preamble. We, the people of Kansas , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious privileges establish this Constitution.

Kentucky 1891, Preamble.We, the people of the Commonwealth are grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties...

Louisiana 1921, Preamble We, the people of the State of Louisiana , grateful to Almighty God for the civil, political and religious liberties we enjoy.

Maine 1820, Preamble.We the People of Maine acknowledging with grateful hearts the goodness of the Sovereign Ruler of the Universe in affording us an opportunity .. And imploring His aid and direction.

Maryland 1776, Preamble We, the people of the state of Maryland , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberty...

Massachusetts 1780, Preamble. We...the people of Massachusetts , acknowledging with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe .. In the course of His Providence, an opportunity and devoutly imploring His direction ..

Michigan 1908, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Michigan , grateful to Almighty Go d for the blessings of freedom establish this Constitution.

Minnesota, 1857, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Minnesota , grateful to God for our civil and religious liberty, and desiring to perpetuate its blessings:

Mississippi 1890, Preamble. We, the people of Mississippi in convention assembled, grateful to Al mighty God, and invoking His blessing on our work.

Missouri 1845, Preamble. We, the people of Missouri , with profound reverence for the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, and grateful for His goodness .. Establish this Constitution .

Montana 1889, Preamble.We, the people of Montana , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty establish this Constitution ..

Nebraska 1875, Preamble. We, the people, grateful to Almighty God for our freedom . Establish this Constitution.

Nevada 1864, Preamble. We the people of the State of Nevada , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom establish this Constitution

New Hampshire 1792, Part I. Art. I. Sec. V. Every individual has a natural and unalienable right to worship God according to the dictates of his own conscience.

New Jersey 1844, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New Jersey, grateful to Almighty God for civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing on our endeavors.

New Mexico 1911, Preamble. We, the People of New Mexico, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of liberty

New York 1846, Preamble. We, the people of the State of New York , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, in order to secure its blessings.

North Carolina 1868, Preamble. We the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those

North Dakota 1889, Preamble. We , the people of North Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, do ordain...

Ohio 1852, Preamble. We the people of the state of Ohio , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, to secure its blessings and to promote our common...

Oklahoma 1907, Preamble. Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessings of liberty .. establish this ...

Oregon 1857, Bill of Rights, Article I. Section 2. All men shall be secure in the Natural right, to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their consciences..

Pennsylvania 1776, PreambleWe, the people of Pennsylvania , grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance

Rhode Island 1842, Preamble.We the People of the State of Rhode Island grateful to Almighty God for the civil and religious liberty which He hath so long permitted us to enjoy, and looking to Him for a blessing

South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. We, the people of he State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution.< /SPAN>

South Dakota 1889, Preamble. We, the people of South Dakota , grateful to Almighty God for our civil and religious liberties

Tennessee 1796, Art. XI.III.That all men have a natural and indefeasible right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of their conscience...

Texas 1845, Preamble. We the People of the Republic of Texas , acknowledging, with gratitude, the grace and beneficence of God.

Utah 1896, Preamble. Grateful to Almighty God for life and liberty, we establish this Constitution.

Vermont 1777, Preamble. Whereas all government ought to enable the individuals wh o compose it to enjoy their natural rights, and other blessings which the Author of Existence has bestowed on man

Virginia 1776, Bill of Rights, XVIReligion, or the Duty which we owe our Creator can be directed only by Reason and that it is the mutual duty of all to practice Christian Forbearance, Love and Charity towards each other

Washington 1889, Preamble. We the People of the State of Washington , grateful to the Supreme Ruler of the Universe for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution..

West Virginia 1872, Preamble. Since through Divine Providence we enjoy the blessings of civil, political and religious liberty, we, the people of West Virginia reaffirm our faith in and constant reliance upon God ..

Wisconsin 1848, PreambleWe, the people of Wisconsin , grateful to Almighty God for our freedom, domestic tranquilityWyoming 1890, Preamble.

Wyoming We, the people of the State of Wyoming , grateful to God for our civil, political, and religious liberties .. establish this Constitution.

February 19, 2007
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I need a constitutional or law expert. I have found where the government separates imposition of church by the government.

I can't find where or why churches are not taxed.

Or if it is really
unconstitutional to have mention of a god in these preambles.

I do think it could be argued that it is not totally representative of all "the people"

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February 19, 2007
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Definitely, see the world we live in. Even on currency we have "Under God"

One Nation under God? Really? I dont think so.

You should get together with the athiests who sued the goverment for other stuff like this, like the guy in california who sued the school for the prayer (or whatever it was).

February 19, 2007
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States are allowed--they could even make Islam the offical religion of Florida if they wanted to.

February 20, 2007
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Oh for crying out loud.

Is it REALLY hurtful to say the word God?

I'm sure you could find a lawyer to take this one on for the right amount of money or the promise of a little fame.

But for what purpose?

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February 20, 2007
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The Constitution says that Congress will make no law with respect to religion. That is the basis of separation of Church and state at the national level.

Each state can have a different state constitution.

February 20, 2007
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Thank you WD - that was the question.

February 20, 2007
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Good morning! No, it does not hurt me to hear the word god. (or goddess:)) But that wasn't my question.

The other thing I mentioned is that I don't think it is totally representative of all the people. The other taxpaying people.

February 20, 2007
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bevdee...the people at these time periods really beleived that God had something to say about their government, or they at least gave him credit for their freedom, and acknowledged him as a reason for their freedom. Looks as if they thought it was important....any idea why? What are your thoughts? It would be interesting to go back in time and ask questions.

February 20, 2007
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I think it's kuz they believed God unites people. The belief in a supreme being was common ground. They left out religion kuz religion divides people.

United a body stands, divided it falls.

"Under God" is TOO representative of all people. God is everybody's God.

Yours too bevdee 🙂

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February 20, 2007
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Nonsense

February 20, 2007
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bevdee,

{The other thing I mentioned is that I don't think it is totally representative of all the people. The other taxpaying people. }

What do you suppose we should do, then? Strike all references to God from the constitutions because not everybody believes in him?

Where does that leave people like free, omw, and me, who do believe in God? That would leave us without representation.

I suggest we let the legislative process work that issue out. We're supposed to be a democracy -- majority rules, while making some allowances for the minority. But I'm not willing to strike references to God as one of those allowances, nor do I think we should.

February 20, 2007
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Seeker,

I never thought you would. Is it representative of all the people. The taxpayers?

February 22, 2007
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bevdee,
it is also about religious freedom...which give you the freedom and everyone else on this site to say and write what they want too about their own belief system. Perhaps without the mention of God in the Cosntitution or the fact that our forefathers had left God out of these state preambles and our Constitution, we may never have won the right to do so. i mean, you just don't ever know 'what would have happened'. The US Attorney General says it well (I think) in his statement below.

“One of our most cherished freedoms, one we’ve sacrificed greatly to defend, is our religious liberty,” the attorney general said at the SBC Building in Nashville, Tenn. “Nothing defines us more as a nation and differentiates us more from the extremists who are our enemies than our respect for religious freedom. Our great country was founded on these principles, and many of us today believe it continues to thrive because of, not despite, them.”

February 22, 2007
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Are these preambles representative of all the taxpayers?

There are US citizens who choose to believe the bible entirely.

There are US citizens who choose to take what they want from "God's Word" and leave the rest. Or add to it.

There are those citizens who choose to exercise their freedom of shoice by not believing anything that cannot be proven.

This one is really jacked up -"Arizona 1911, Preamble. We, the people of the State of Arizona , grateful to Almighty God for our liberties, do ordain this Constitution..."

Because the liberties were due to the founding fathers of this country, not all of which proclaimed themselves christian. The liberties that we enjoy today in this country, should be attributed strictly to the constitution. The constition allows religious feedom.

IMO, but I am a literal person.

February 22, 2007
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Seeker, the U.S. is NOT a democracy. We are a republic. Our government is not by mob rule. Check out this link:

http://www.thisnation.com/ques.....n/011.html

"The Pledge of Allegiance includes the phrase: "and to the republic for which it stands." Is the United States of America a republic? I always thought it was a democracy? What's the difference between the two?

The United States is, indeed, a republic, not a democracy. Accurately defined, a democracy is a form of government in which the people decide policy matters directly--through town hall meetings or by voting on ballot initiatives and referendums. A republic, on the other hand, is a system in which the people choose representatives who, in turn, make policy decisions on their behalf. The Framers of the Constitution were altogether fearful of pure democracy. Everything they read and studied taught them that pure democracies "have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths".

By popular usage, however, the word "democracy" come to mean a form of government in which the government derives its power from the people and is accountable to them for the use of that power. In this sense the United States might accurately be called a democracy. However, there are examples of "pure democracy" at work in the United States today that would probably trouble the Framers of the Constitution if they were still alive to see them. Many states allow for policy questions to be decided directly by the people by voting on ballot initiatives or referendums. (Initiatives originate with, or are initiated by, the people while referendums originate with, or are referred to the people by, a state's legislative body.) That the Constitution does not provide for national ballot initiatives or referendums is indicative of the Framers' opposition to such mechanisms. They were not confident that the people had the time, wisdom or level-headedness to make complex decisions, such as those that are often presented on ballots on election day."

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A republic protects the rights of the minority. Otherwise, we could vote in slavery again because a minority is outnumbered. That's why we aren't a 'christian' nation just because they outnumber everyone else.

February 22, 2007
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See, I wonder if we are good Americans if we know this and let it go on - this sullying of the constitution. This passivity.

Is true patriotism and upholding the concepts that formed our country in conflict with the concept of Christianity?

February 22, 2007
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"What do you suppose we should do, then? Strike all references to God from the constitutions because not everybody believes in him?"

I submit that yes, that would be the correct and American thing to do. It is not a good idea to use public money to promulgate the religious beliefs of one specific sect, at the expense of others. It makes one specific sect of one specific religion look like the "official, state-sponsored" religion, and that is un-American.

"Where does that leave people like free, omw, and me, who do believe in God? That would leave us without representation."

No, that does not leave you without representation. You still get to vote for whoever you want as your representative.

Separation of church and state protects us from the tyranny of religious minorities and also from the tyranny of the majority.

Think about how demographic change. If the "majority" comes to believe a certain way, are you happy to have our money bear the motto "In Mohammed We Trust?" Or for that matter "In Satan We Trust?"

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"The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

--The Treaty of Tripoli

http://www.nobeliefs.com/Tripoli.htm

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I've never been able to figure out why it even matters to 'believers' whether the word 'god' is on currency or not. Is this some strange form of worship? Or is it symbolic of their 'power' in our country? If we remove the word 'god' from money, they will be perceived as losing power? The only thing I look at on money is the numerical figure up in the corner. That's all that matters to me on that piece of paper.

And since the believers don't think that having the word 'god' on currency should bother anyone, do you think they would be as accepting if the word 'god' were replaced with 'satan' or 'anti-christ' or anything else as equally offensive to them? Afterall, according to their logic, who does it hurt?

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