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Is Religion a virus?
September 20, 2007
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I agree that ... ...

It's still worthwhile to try to know God. Or whatever it is you call Him, Her or It."

I don't disbelieve in the existence of your god because of any childhood abuse that I might have received. Please understand me clearly on this point.

Superstitious beliefs are just this no matter how you dress them up.

Rationality, the pure light of reason, and logical thoughts point the way out of the primitive childlike beliefs of ancient Israel that you seem to have taken so uncritically on board like so many others who seek a remedy for the human condition.

You have my deepest sympathy.

September 20, 2007
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you wrote:

"I don't disbelieve in the existence of your god because of any childhood abuse that I might have received"

that's a breath of fresh air! different.

How did you come to this conclusion? What led you down that path, if anything/anybody?


September 21, 2007
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On the 20-Sep-07 you asked:

"How did you come to this conclusion? What led you down that path, if anything/anybody?"

Sound reasoning and logical thinking over many years, that's how.

September 21, 2007
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on your own?

did you meet with/discuss things with people, etc?

that's what I mean. How do people get where you are at. We all have our own stories.

What is yours if I may ask?


September 25, 2007
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"on your own?"

Unless we abnegate responsibility for thinking and reasoning for ourselves and just blindly believe everything upon the socalled authority of others as contained in scriptures, we are "on our own" when it comes right down to making sense of our own world, our relationship to it and our own mortality.

How do people get where you are at?

They question everything in the light of their own experiences and observations. They question the doctrines of the religion into which they were born. They question any and every belief system presented to them, looking for coherence, congruence and ambiguity. Mostly, they look to see what 'fruit' the 'tree' bears. They ask such questions as: Has Christianity worked. Has hinduism worked. Has Lenin's, Stalin's, Castro's and Mao's brand of Communism worked. Has Buddhism worked? etc.

When looking at Christian beliefs in particular, the most fundamental questions are:

1. Does the Christian god who is all knowing, all loving and all powerful really exist?

2. Would such a god knowingly create flawed human beings and then hold them responsible for their own flaws?

3. Would such a god demand the cruel blood sacrifice of a man(god-man)to reconcile his flawed creation unto himself?

4. Would not such a god be able to change anything and everything in an instant if he so chooses?

5. Since he doesn't - shit continues to happen - then isn't everything that happens either caused or permitted by this same god?

6. Since 'shit still happens' then if the Christian god really exists everything, the shit included, must be in our best interests. How is being raped, tortured and murdered, all common occurences today, be in our best interests?

People churning over these questions in the light of their own experiences will eventually come to the conclusion that to live any life with any degree of quality they must be able to find a believable reason for dissatisfaction, pain and suffering.

What is the Christian perspective on this issue?

We suffer because Adam and Eve defied the Christian god's command not to eat an apple!!

In the light that the Christian god is all knowing, all loving, and all powerful, how just, how loving, and how downright sensible is that explanation for the human condition??

"What is yours if I may ask?"

You most certainly may.

I've spent a lifetime of questioning and rejecting nonsense, questioning and rejecting more nonsense on and on. That's how "people get where" I'm at. I've been a gungho Christian, a committed Bramha Kumaris Raj Yogi, I studied Buddhism at their temples, and I've had many a long indepth discussion with Seventh Day Adventists, Mormans you name it. I've read very widely on the beliefs of many other religions. I belong to no religion. Buddhism is the only religion that made any real sense to me. I agree whole heartedly with Dr. Albert Einstein when he said:

“The religion of the future should transcend a personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both natural and spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description…If ever there is any religion that would cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism.”

But I am not a Buddhist. I refuse to join any organised religion that has rituals and who exerts any social pressure to believe as they do, no matter how subtlely that pressure is brought to bear. That excludes all religions in my opinion.

Religions seem to me to be fear driven viruses infecting the human mind by socialization pressures of one kind or another. Where does the fear come from? Inherited wrong understanding, superstition, ignorance and misdirected, evolution propagated, emotional drives for survival.

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