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Is Reincarnation possible?
February 28, 2009
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I couldnt find any "science without bounds" thread as I indicated. The other thread from which I quoted, I did find.

In any case thats the best I can do. I cant be bothered with reading all the threads where you've talked about reincarnation so if you dont want to explain your beliefs here, thats fine.

March 1, 2009
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Reincarnation? God, I hope not.

My believe (actually to me I believe so strongly it feels like KNOWLEDGE) is that our souls are dispersed back to the Infinite universe from which we came along with our physical bodies, just to become part of the greater whole again. It seems so beautiful... and I believe that once the brain stops receiving any messages of physical pain... death is ecstasy. Not that we should all run out and off ourselves, because it TRULY will be the end of our one chance... but I believe we can salvage our lives no matter how bad things get. THat's what keeps me hanging on.

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mzrella, thats a nice thought if it was possible. How about animals and other living beings? Do they also merge back into the Wholeness of the Universe? serial killers, thiefs? Madoff when he dies, his soul? Casey Anthony?

Sloths, leeches, chimpanzees, hyenas, sharks and alligators. Oops!

See, now it doesnt look as romantic 😀

People who believe in reincarnation also dont think about that: do all these vicious dangerous animals and criminals also get reincarnated? Its all beliefs and wishful thinking as MdGuided mentioned. All that science knows is that we disappear after death, like the death of an ant or bird or other creepie crawly. Everything else is equally unsupported by science.

You're right though, this is the only life we'll get.

March 1, 2009
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Guest:

You wrote to Ella:

"You're right though, this is the only life we'll get."

This is your opinion. You could be wrong. But no one ridiculed you for your opinion, did they?

Seems you only wanted to find out who agreed with you. Those who didn't, got your stock replies.

You also wrote, in response to Bev's question:

Bev: ">> Why do Tez's beliefs, in particular, make you so angry?"

Guest: "Even if thats true: My question to you is: why does that matter to YOU? Cant you mind your own business and not get irrirated about what problems I have with someone's beliefs or the comments I'm making about those?"

When you wrote: "So you believe in reincarnation. Can you elaborate on that? You thikn you're a reincarnation like that German girl stuff, or what?", you were BASHING TEZ. You referred to the German girl 6 or 7 times.

This is WHY I, and I think others, get irritated. You're SIMPLY ASKING FOR OTHERS TO HELP YOU BASH TEZ, in my opinion. Seems you're trying to make your problem with Tez OUR problem, too, in the types of questions you ask and in the phrasing.

When you don't get help, you respond with:
1. You're panicky.

2. You're poisonous.

3. You're off the topic.

4. You're protecting Tez.

5. Mind your own business.

6. Go away.

7. Where's your evidence?

8. You're not interested in a serious debate.

9. Your comments are not valid.

10. I have a headache. I'm going to go fly my helicopter now.

11. Obviously you only are interested in bad faith trolling with me so I wont respond to any of yours posts now on this thread for now.

12. "NOW I understand your 'loyalty' here."

What did Tez do to you that has hurt you so much? How do your attacks on him help you grow personally? Do you like the attention this brings you - even though it's negative?

Mary

March 1, 2009
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Hell EVERYTHING transforms!

Ice to water - water to gas - only to be frozen and start the whole damned process over and over again.

(Not to mention what happens to the air we breathe.........)

Oh yeah.

I believe in reincarnation alright.

(Could damn near kick myself in the ass for volunteering for yet another 'human tour of duty' this last fricking-fracking go 'round!!!!)

Yeah.

I was warned alright.

Was warned before I made the leap that it 'would be a difficult journey" to which I naively answered....Oh...."I am UP to the challenge."

What a fool!

What a dmaned fool I was.

Believe me - during this lifetime I have grappled with issues of dissassociation (sp?) not really and truly KNOWING my own recent past, as it were - but all that being said - in extreme comparision - is the FACT that I actually "Opted-In" to this life.

I know this.

I know this more than I know the nose on my face.

Damn skippy.

Ain't many things in this life that I ABSOLUTELY SURE OF.....but this mess - yeah, it's true.

You can just bet your ass that this next go 'round of trying to gather up enough willing participants to come back down here to earth from above to try and 'help' and shit..... - hell no.

Hell No!

Next go 'round - my ass is staying put!!!!!!!!!

Oh - I know this more than I know the nose on my face right now.

Nope.

Nope, nope no.

Ain't gonna do it.

These damned "spiritual chips" will just have to fall where they may without any help from me from now on.

Ya'll may think me really, really crazy.

Probably so.

I just know what I know.

So be it.

I just fricking know what I know in my bones.

Next time - (last time - ) my ass is just staying put!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bar none!!!!

Ummm um.

Not coming back to this mess again.

Not EVER!!!!!!

You couldn't PAY me enough in "spiritual accolades" to do THIS mess again.

No hell so ree bob.......

I KNOW what the hell I am talkin' about here............

I check out this time - it will be for the LAST time.

For sure!

Ya'll (meaning the current/next generation) are on your own........

March 1, 2009
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thanks marypoppins, its nice to hear from ya.

March 2, 2009
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TbT, so you really do believe in reincarnation eh?

Well really, I'm surprised. Its as if about 50% of the people here do. We've had Bevdee, Hepburn, Tez (ofcourse) and now you. Interesting. hmm.

>> Not coming back to this mess again.

How do you know its gonna be your last time? 😀 Is it under your control?

Its human nature to try to make sense of things and you know, kids create imaginary (unproven and 'unproveable') friends because they feel lonely. It makes them feel better and it helps them pass time. In adult life too we create unproven/imaginary explanations to help us make sense of it.

Let me see. *If* there REALLY was some kind of afterlife/me existing in some way after I die, well - that would be just great. I would feel very relieved right now.

If, i.e.

Its sad to say the least, for me to know that there is nothing after death. I die like flies die. They're not reincarnated, they're not reunited with their Fly Lord. They wont go into a heaven and get 72 fly virgins. They just die, and disappear like they never were.

March 2, 2009
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Well guest, to answer your question, of course reincarnation can occur.

And it does occur continually, has occurred continually, and will continue to occur continually. Forever.

It's continuous. Like the one-dimensional, one surfaced, mobius strip. No beginning. No end. No backside. No front side. Edges, yes, but nothing else. The mobius strip just- is. Always has been, always will be. Such is so with reincarnation.

The human mind cannot fully grasp this reality as the human mind is finite.

But reality is just that.

peace

March 2, 2009
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Some minds are more finite than others.

March 2, 2009
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Hi, Guest. May I join in? No, you don't "KNOW that there is nothing after death". Lol. How can you?!

(Unless you remember having died and experiencing nothing - which of course is is a contradiction in terms. 😉 Lol.)

We CANNOT "know". We can only think, feel, experience, form culturally & emotionally-influenced theories: either following fashionable mainstream ones, like Dawkins' hate-filled atheism (a v populist, herd-instinct-appealing, ultra-fashionable flavour-of-the-year pose popular over here in the UK - though hardly philosophical!) or else more thoughtful, open-minded ones, like others here. (Kudos to the courageous TBT & Treehugs & Tez!)

Tragically, many people get so defensive & fear-driven about their entrenched stances that they even gang up, fight & kill etc over differences in beliefs. 🙁

Killing for 'God'? Or for 'atheism'? WTF???!!! (As you Americeans say, lol.)

Yet, as individuals & societies, our concepts can & do change over time in different societies, under different influences ... and even within in the same cultures over time.

It's called progress. Growth. Intellectual, emotional & spiritual evolution even. Based on genuine seeking, study & deep thought.

So all this is at least speculation, and at best, philosophising. (Both Good Things, surely.)
I engage in both a lot, & have all my life - both privately in my ongoing studies, in discussions with friends, & academically too. I never tire of Wondering - it's my greatest interest & joy in the sharing.

Anyway, for what it's worth: these days (though I'm open to change) -

YES, I do believe in re-incarnation. Actually, it might be more accurate to say that I don't believe in death. Just Transformation. As have overwhelmingly MOST of the great religions & philosophical world-views worldwide, over millennia. And no-one can prove otherwise.

Hi Tez. There is no way of either 'proving' or 'disproving' your beliefs (or anyone's). Equally, as I'm sure YOU understand, there's no water-tight way of proving anything conclusively either. But that's not the point.

Creative openness to possibilities ... searching for higher Truths ... developing our capacities for positive, productive, more peaceful & loving Growth & Change are of immense value in themselves imo.

We need to remain open-minded, rather than set rigidly in any culture-specific doctrine / dogma. (Cultures that do the latter inevitably fade & die out eventually. ) Without open-mindedness & rigorous rational & philosophical investigation / discussion / willingness to learn & grow, improving our understanding, mankind would have become extinct aeons ago.

Yes, I tke seriously Tez's personally-experienced belief - although obviously no-one can rationally either verify or categorically deny it (pooh-poohing, ridiculing, sneering DO NOT COUNT as intelligent responses and are part of neither Science nor Philosophy).

Many, many, MANY human experiences (if not most, in fact,) are simply not amenable to science in its limited current form.

That doesn't mean they are to be ridiculed. Sneering merely says much about the poor sneerer, and has no logical, theological, epistemological or ontological validity.

Let's simply ponder, share, enjoy & help in open-minded, ever-fascinated wonder, friends. Isn't that what each other are FOR?! 😉

Bright blessings - gazelle.

March 2, 2009
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Reincarnation in the way some beleive? Knowing what they were and when?

I don't think reincarnation exists on a concious plane.

I don't think people can track or be aware of it.

But I may not be right. This subject isn't finite to me either.

tbT ,Trees, gazelle, made good points about energy exchanging, etc.

Transformation. But I'm not sure about reincarnation ( knowing what the transformations were or are)

A persons life force could leave after death, and go into feeding a plant.. Energy is all around us and within us. I just have a hard time putting s definate label on this energy.

I don't think things end. They do continue. I just think people fill in the blanks with stories that they have in their heads. From visuals and info they take in all their lives.

This subject on it's own is interesting if it would stay on topic, and not turn to a personal vendetta.

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Hear hear, MsG! 🙂

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guest_guest,

This is an interesting topic. The thread is par for the course, IMO, but since you started this, I've been thinking about the past life regression sessions I had, and about the self hypnosis I did 20 some years ago. There are a few reasons I don't share those memories. I've only told two other people close to me. The main reason is that they are personal and subjective. Just like dreams - something that may be a common dream symbol to many people, might mean something entirely different to another person. The significance of that symbol might be a catalyst, setting in motion a great change in the dreamer. Or a small change that strengthens the dreamer who stays attuned to his own mind. No one can interpret your dreams for you without projecting from their own filter. The significance of the dream is within you. And the significance of the regression, the memory comes from within you.

I have read about false memories, and marvel that the mind can really do that. Never one to take something completely on faith, I have toyed with the idea of my regressions being false memories. I don't think so. There is a recording of me, under hypnosis, speaking Welsh. I don't know Welsh, of course. Once translated, that regression was a valuable tool for me because it helped me wrench away from my mother a notch more. There is no cutting of the apron strings with her- she is like a full body band-aid that I have peeled back one hair at a time. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!! About 10 years later, in studying my genealogy, I found some Welsh ancestors. On my mother's side- from the suicide branch of her family tree. I wondered if this was in some way genetic memory kicking in to help me survive, not in a physical sense, but emotionally. I don't know, but it's interesting ponderfood.

There is the theory of past life resonance. Are you aware of it? I resonate with some weird stuff. It's not learned, my family always thought I was weird- because I was not like them. Often I wonder if I am the catalyst in this family I have been born to before and before and before.

I'm not going to spend a bunch of time wondering, "what could it mean? Could it be this, could it be that?" I don't think it really matters if the memories are considered false, from a previous incarnation, or genetic. I believe what matters is that it came from within my mind. If you know anything about me, you know that to me, enlightenment means light from within. I believe dreams and past life resonances and regressions are coming from within. Thoughts working their way from the subconscious to the conscious mind. (tapping on the window - "hey look over here - I might can help!!"). If the thoughts affect a change for the better, such as understanding myself- why then it doesn't matter, does it?

As for the Buddhist instincts when I was a really young girl. I had never been exposed to other religions, not even Jewish. the synagogue was just a couple of blocks away. There were no Muslims in my town in the late 60s and early 70s. My mother shopped around for churches all the time, and we visited scads of different denominations. Before he married my mother, my stepdad was the minister of our church, I don't remember when he came to that church- I just remember him always being there. He played a major part in my education on the Methodist Church and Xtianity and he was very surprised at my beliefs and questions. Maybe that was some genetic memory or innate knowledge of mine. But I'm not completely-letely 100% sure, so I study and listen more than I talk about it. When I was a teenager, and began to express curiosity at other religions, it was my stepdad that checked out books from the University Library and the Ecumenical Center. Before that, all I had were the old 1957 encyclopedias my mother used in high school, tucked away in the attic.

guest_, Gazelle brings up a good point. "No, you don't "KNOW that there is nothing after death". Lol. How can you?! "

If you really know that there is nothing, you would had to have died- then you would be back to tell us there is nothing? There is no way to report that there is nothing Wacky conundrum, eh?

Have you ever been in the room when someone died? Have you ever felt the shift in energy, not at the moment the breathing stops, or even after the heart stops beating? It's after that. The energy is there- and then it's not. That's my 3 cents worth.

If you can't know for sure, if you just feel it without proof, then you have faith that your feelings are correct. Faith enough to take the stand you have taken in this thread. You have no proof either. But you are certain and those don't agree with your certainty without proof are wrong. Is that what you are saying?

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Seems there are people here willing to intelligently discuss this topic and share honestly. However, Guest, I'm not surprised that you're not participating in the discussion. As I've previously stated, it appears you just wanted to find people to help you bash Tez.

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hi Gazelle, nice to see you after a long time! Thankgod for the UK for producing a Richard Dawkins.

>> "No, you don't "KNOW that there is nothing after death". Lol. How can you?! "

Then do you admit, that your version of "what happens or might happen after death" (including reincarnation) is as plausible as that of a Muslim? According to them they'll die and meet Allah and the pious men will get women and so on. They'll enjoy rivers of milk, wine and honey. All that stuff.

You agree that all these theories are equally possible?

And since they are, thats why I reject all of them. I dont feel I have to believe in these unproven theories in order to live a meaningful life. Thats my story.

Why not spend all of our mental energy, in this life and focus totally on what we know we have for sure - this life.

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oh mary you spoke too soon and we cross posted. Come on BAM dont do this to me. You know I like BAs! lol. "Dont do this to me Dimi", as in Exorcist

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>> The human mind cannot fully grasp this reality as the human mind is finite.

The same applies to other unproven theories including beliefs of Hindus and Muslims.

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>> A persons life force could leave after death, and go into feeding a plant.. Energy is all around us and within us.

Thats fine, yes my atoms will go into a worm's tummy but what was me, does not exist any longer. The atoms in my hand might end up in a tree sometime but what is me - my life, experiences, memories, personality, knowledge, awareness - will cease to exist.

When that happens, then from a practical standpoint, I have died permanently and stopped existing just like I never existed before my birth.

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>> marvel that the mind can really do that.

All these things, regressions, past lives and memories: they're all the mind playing games with itself.

Welsh. Are you sure you hadnt heard welsh before at some time? Any alternative explanation that you're not thinking about?

>> There is the theory of past life resonance.

nope, dont know anything about it.

>> what matters is that it came from within my mind.

But looking at the Wlesh incident, if its true and if you never heard any Welsh ever before, it cant come from inside.

>> If you really know that there is nothing, you would had to have died- then you would be back to tell us there is nothing?

Can Science and evolution explain 'abnormal' stuff, or even attest to its existence? I go by that. I'm just like that. I want solid observable, repeatable evidence or if its not, we should be able to explain it from an evolutionary and physical/scientific point of view. Now we know for sure that our thoughts and whatever it is, all originate in this fleshy brain running on blood. Once the brain dies, how can the thoughts exist in empty air? Science agrees. So, no. I reject all that.

>> Have you ever been in the room when someone died? Have you ever felt the shift in energy, not at the moment the breathing stops, or even after the heart stops beating?

Oooh, but that is BECAUSE you were told someone was dying. I bet you $10,000 that if someone died, you wouldnt be able to tell. Except for that hospital cat, if you know about it. She'd go visit a patient in a hospital when they were about to die and she was always right about who was going to die. Somehoe she could sense it - or so said the news.

For humans though, I dont know. Dogs can smell out dead bodies too much better than human noses. But everything has to be explainable scientifically.

>> Faith enough to take the stand you have taken in this thread. You have no proof either.

Once again as I told to Gazelle, if you agree that your theory is just as possible as that of Muslims dying and going to heaven, then yes. You're entitled to believing in it just like they are.

For you to say that your theory is correct or is more possible than that of Muslims or Hindus, thats not right.

What proof do I have for nothing existing after death? None. Its you guys. You made the claim that something exists after death. YOU have to prove it.

If I claimed there's that invisible kitten in my monitor, I cant tell you "what proof do you have that it doesnt exist?". Its me who has to provide the proof that it does exist since I made the claim.

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gosh im tired. Maybe its visible in my post. Got too much stuff to do nowdays and too little time. not good. ah!

well im gonna take a nap.

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guest_guest,

Thanks for sharing? You're welcome.

Are you putting words in my mouth? Or do you have some special psychic powers that allow you to know this -

"Oooh, but that is BECAUSE you were told someone was dying.?

This is not true. I work in a hospital and sometimes there are unexpected deaths. Have you ever done CPR? Or had to tag a toe and wait for the morgue to come get a corpse? Ever watched someone have an anaphylactic reaction to a contrast agent? Not much warning there.

"For you to say that your theory is correct or is more possible than that of Muslims or Hindus, thats not right."

I didn't say that. You did. I said that I believe there is a possibility of reincarnation. I also said I don't know for sure. You are the one that expresses your certainty in each post. You counter those that don't coincide with what you are looking for, or your definite mindset.

guest_guest, I will say this for you. You are tireless and tiresome. If you ever think that because I don't respond to you, that I have no answer, or you are "right". Don't. I just don't get that much from reading what you paste over, or from our exchanges. I don't believe you read most of what is posted to you, , or consider any of it, , other than what you can cull out to verify your original opinion. That's not thoughtful interaction, IMO. Your chum sometimes brings up thought provoking topics and you, in my opinion, act as a gadfly to the forums, but I know how to argue and I am familiar with all the conversational terrorism tactics. You're good, but I've seen better. So - been there, done that. I'm more interested in an exchange of ideas without the drama of your posts.

Sometimes I watch the site from work, but won't post from hospital pcs any more. I watch the dynamics, and I notice that you post about and respond to almost nothing except topics that Tez posts about. Others have mentioned this to you, too. There was a time when you offered encouragement and support to some, but now your focus seems, to me, to be different.

If you need to argue, belittle, demean others, it could be an internal signpost to some deeper issues within yourself. If you just do this for sport, use good sportsmanship. I've wondered if you post to see how many varied responses you get.

If what you do here is for attention, picking a codep forum is crafty- you will get a lot of conpassionate people, (mostly women) that try to understand, to empathise with you and comfort you, no matter how many times you turn on them. With our childhoods, we are used to it. But you know that, right? Dude- there is a world out there- sometimes acceptance is where you least expect it. It usually doesn't come knocking on a closed door, though. You deserve someone to snuggle with, too.

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Judy Tenuta: "Some minds are more finite than others. "

I've not been able to make sense of this statement.

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"The same applies to other unproven theories including beliefs of Hindus and Muslims. "

What is your point?

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>> This is not true. I work in a hospital and sometimes there are unexpected deaths. Have you ever done CPR?

No, death cannot be detected like this. Scientists havent confirmed it.

>> Ever watched someone have an anaphylactic reaction to a contrast agent? Not much warning there.

For that one I've watched a family member go through shock as they reacted to some drugs before getting their appendix operation. The reaction was horrifying. Their whole body stiffened and locked up with their breathing locked up as well. I havent seen death but this was close. They could have died because their chest was locked up and the legs and arms just sticking out. What an experience. Did I see it coming? Can some people see it coming, like nurses and other people? I'll believe it when scientists talk about it. There's no reason for me to believe unproven hearsy.

>> You counter those that don't coincide with what you are looking for, or your definite mindset.

You should stop seeing everything with that negative hostile point of view. The reason why I'm disagreeing with you is not because I just want to be an ass. Its because you're believing in unproven stuff.

>> I said that I believe there is a possibility of reincarnation. I also said I don't know for sure.

Its the SAME thing. Do YOU believe that there's a POSSIBILITY that MUSLIMS will die and go to heaven and meet with Allah? Do you believe there's a possibility of them getting the rewards they've been promised in Heaven? Answer the questions. Do you know what I'm asking you here because I will follow through it until you understand what I'm trying to ask you.

>> If you just do this for sport, use good sportsmanship.

Whatever it is that I do here or talk about, mind your own business and keep your advice to yourself. Thank you.

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>> "Some minds are more finite than others. "

She meant there are some people who cant see what other people can see. In a way she's probably talking about athiests and stuff. Their minds are finite according to her so they cant see what others cant see. Well, Muslims cant see what Christians can 'see' too. Christians can see that Jesus is the lord savior. Muslims cant see that. Likewise, Christians cant see that Allah is the true lord.

In that respect we cant prove what the right thing to 'see' is.

I tried to make my point clearer to Bevdee. Did you get it?

Why are you people having a hard time understanding this? Ok I'll try again. Look.

Bevdee believes that reincarnation is possible. I asked her: does she think that Muslims dying and meeting Allah is also possible? If not, how does she know its not possible? Has SHE died and seen for herself?

If you guys say that all theories of various religions are equally likely to happen, then you're on the right track.

Since you're telling me "how do you know reincarnation is not possible? Have you died and seen it for yourself? No you havent".

That was pretty simple. Got it now?

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