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Is Reincarnation possible?
February 26, 2009
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Who here believes that when a person does, his spirit can be reincarnated into another living human being? I wonder how different this is from the Islamic belief that Muhammed flew to visit Allah and Heaven on a winged horse.

Any science to back up this claim?

February 26, 2009
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Well Iknow you are going to receive some interesting answers. May I prelude mine by saying I will state my thoughts, but will not debate them. 🙂

Some people say they have been reincarnated and have memories to back it up. Sometimes through hypnotism, these memories come forth. I have done this, in a very WEAK moment, then threw it out, because I have my own beliefs about reincarnation. I hope Tez does not mind, but I know in past years/threads, he has spoken of being a German soldier in past lives.

I don't know much about Muhammed flying to see Allah, but he may have met God at some point, I don't know.

What I do believe though is that IF reincarnation exists, it exists to give people many chances to make their peace with God, and the moment they do that, then that is their last life before they go to heaven. This is only speculation on my part, but then the Bible which I believe in says it is appointed only once for man to die, and this is what I believe. But regarding scientific proof of reincarnation, all we have I think is what people say. I do think that some are extrememly deceived, or they may go around again and again...who knows?

February 26, 2009
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On 26-Feb-09 you write:

"I hope Tez does not mind, but I know in past years/threads, he has spoken of being a German soldier in past lives."

I do not mind in the least.

Only, I'd like to set the record straight. I was a German girl, not a soldier, who worked in a huge factory/workshop that contained row upon row of industrial sewing machines. We were making Wehrmacht uniforms, en masse, for the German army.

February 26, 2009
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>> I was a German girl, not a soldier, who worked in a huge factory/workshop that contained row upon row of industrial sewing machines. We were making Wehrmacht uniforms, en masse, for the German army.

Do you fully believe in that? Or are you pulling our legs?

February 26, 2009
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hi Omw, you're right:

>> But regarding scientific proof of reincarnation, all we have I think is what people say.

February 27, 2009
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Hi Guest,

Is there scientific proof of Reincarnation? No. Probably never will be. Most of spirituality (if not all) cannot be "proved". Which is where faith comes in. IMO.

I believe in Reincarnation. After studying up on Metaphysics for many years, it just made sense to me. Here's why:

Considering there's what, a few billion people on the planet, and out of those few billion, a few million are either born with an affliction (blind, paralyzed, Down Syndrome, etc) or have suffered an affliction of monumental size in their lifetime (affliction also being mental as well as physical). I can't in all honesty believe that that is IT for them?

What purpose would that serve?

Being born blind, for example, never "seeing" all the beauty that there is to see. Or being paralyzed, where one can't walk or feed themselves. And that's it? What would be the purpose of that? If we only have 1 life, why would we need to fix or struggle through so many things, only to die and go to "heaven"?

Anyway, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ha

Peace.

Hep

February 27, 2009
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>> I can't in all honesty believe that that is IT for them?

Sadly thats it for them.

>> What purpose would that serve?

No purpose. Life and nature are indiscriminate and random. I'm an athiest in case you're wondering.

Tez says he was a german girl in his past life. Do you really believe that he was? What if I came up and said I was a hindu prostitute who lived 300 years ago? How do you verify that?

I think scientifically. Tell ya what, if you ever came on national TV and said you were a german girl, needless to say people would think you're a nut.

See there's two ways to think in life: either you think logically or you think the caveman way. The caveman way was "there is lightening so there must be a thunder God".

"I was a German girl in my past life" - really. I got nothing to say to that in return except to laugh or shake my head in pity.

Wht about chimpanzees? Many cute little yellow chicks get swallowed whole by pet pythons and their videos are on Youtube. Do you think those chicks are reborn too? Why should it apply to only humans? Does that mean there is a limited number of human beings and there are no NEW lives, because they're all being born into each other? What is that magic number. 12,000?

And here's how it cannot make sense mathematically: The World population (humans or even animals included) has ALWAYS been growing from small to large and it goes down sometimes too. Where did those new lives from? When there's a decrease in world population, where do the people go - Nirvana?

How about my alternative explanation: we are all lifeforms of ME. Thats right, guest_guest. I'm God and I'm bored and I wanna have fun by being in different forms. If you're going to go by "Faith needs no evidence", then lets believe I'm God.

"German girl" - thats amazing. And to think that people depend on a person for 'wisdom', who thinks he was a german girl in his past life.

That really says it all. I rest my case. And - now I have a nice quote to bring up in conversation every now and then (german girl).

February 27, 2009
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IMO anyone can think they're re-incarnated if they choose to believe in it.

There's lots of influences around us that can imprint the lives of other beings, without us having direct contact.

Just through our education system, the way we are exposed to literature, world history and now within the 20th century, documented lives on film, anyone can draw from their memory or subconscious and use that to create a reality for themselves.

Try to put a finger on how many photographic, drawn, filmed images you've seen up to now. How much of it has remained in your conscious memory and how much is in the unconscious.

( I don't really like getting into scientific discussions since my view is from a layman's perspective, and someone educated in the sciences will know the specific terminology, but I hope my point comes across)

Our visual memories are so deeply ingrained within our subconscious, they sometimes emerge in our dreams. Sometimes not at all. We can wake up and wonder where the content of the dream comes from, not know, and it's usually something our visual mind centre has taken in while we were processing other things.

When a person is exposed to certain things they may influence their decisions, perspective and choices.

If a person is completely removed from all of these influences, raised in an environment that was void of imagery, books or audio pertaining to anything outside of their living realm, and had visions of a past life, or had knowledge of something they've never been exposed to visually, verbally or physically, then i would consider it ( reincarnation) to possibly be true.

Scientific study can only be precise when the subject of the study is isolated from all mitigating factors, and any added influence is strictly and precisely controlled.

None of us are controlled to that extent so how can reincarnation be proven without a controlled environment?

I think a lot of religious belief, including reincarnation, is just an escape from personal pain. Or it is an avoidance of something. Most spiritual thinking has repression as a large part of it.

Doesn't this create the perfect scenario for escape or reincarnation?

Explanations made up to give people hope or make them feel better in their present circumstances. Telling people they are imperfect from the start sets them up for this type of thinking.

Reality just isn't good enough and it is imperfect.

"My life is shit now, but If I'm a good person, and obey the rules of "god", I will have another chance in the next life"

Reincarnation is another way for us to deny our end. Past lives allow us to romantisize our existance or explain our present predicament.

I obviously don't believe in reincarnation..But I have thought of myself as a kept woman in a past life. I had beautifully handcrafted boned corsets, servants, my blonde hair done up in sweeping curls with added hair peices, and only had to have sex with my "master" when he was done with the rest of his concubines. It was always scheduled so i knew how to manage my time. ( usually once a month, so I had more time to frolic with the "CEntraîneur de cheval" in the stables, because my master obviously had other interests, and his wife kept him from putting too much focus on "nous putains") then I could wander the grounds, play my harpsichord, eat pheasant and truffles with sherry and wine to wash it down, joke and gossip with all the other kept women, en francais', be safe and pampered within the estate grounds until I died of syphilis or gout at the age of 40. J/K

Gee! I wonder why I chose a French past life? Must of come from somewhere!? ;0O

February 27, 2009
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you GOT it:

>> I think a lot of religious belief, including reincarnation, is just an escape from personal pain.

Thats it.

>> Reincarnation is another way for us to deny our end.

Yes. We think of ourselves so highly and of our intelligence and awareness - how can death even DARE to make us vanish into nothingness? Am I just destined to turn into food for maggots, worms and flies? NO. Thats utter nonsense! I'm a 'higher' being. I'm a reincarnation. I'm better than what I really seem to be.

I need a HUG. I'm hurt deep inside and I'm a little boy who cries inside and pretends to be big, strong and wise on the outside.

February 27, 2009
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g_g said:

"I need a HUG. I'm hurt deep inside and I'm a little boy who cries inside and pretends to be big, strong and wise on the outside."

Are you serious? We all kind of know that ((((guest_guest))))

Debating and challenging peoples core religious beleifs will bring on dissention and isolation though.

I tolerate but I basically gravitate to those who are athiest, agnostic or pagan.

I don't think we are higher or better than everything around us. I think we need to respect and appreciate everything on this planet and in the universe.

I think the pagans and native/primitive religions had it right!

It was when these spiritual beleif systems were dismantled, assimilated then destroyed that we lost our way.

WE need to knock ourselves down a few pegs before what took millions of years to develop is destroyed.

What are we gonna do? Keep up with this madness, create more starvation, disease, suffering and death? Inhabit Mars?
NO thanks!

I think I'll go hug a Big OLD tree now.

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>> Are you serious?

No, not at all. I was speaking for somoene else (not you! :D) who would die and be reincarnated 16 million times as a frog before they would even have the intelligence to recognize their affliction and then have the courage to admit it.

February 27, 2009
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Just wondering: is there any way to take a person seriously after they claim the following?:

>> I was a German girl, not a soldier, who worked in a huge factory/workshop that contained row upon row of industrial sewing machines. We were making Wehrmacht uniforms, en masse, for the German army.

February 27, 2009
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Guest,
Why do you keep harping on Tez's beliefs?

Originally I wasn't even going to respond to this thread because it felt that you were looking for an argument. But I gave you the benefit of a doubt and posted my 2 cents anyway. I should have followed my instincts and not responded. Not because you don't agree with me, lots of people don't, but in the way you reply.

If you're such a die hard atheist, why do you even care? By your answers it sounds like you already had your opinions. What was your point in even asking them?

You ask these questions to bait people so that you can belittle them and put them down.

Not cool.

February 27, 2009
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If I claimed here that I turn into a frog at night, are you saying no one should be allowed to talk about it? And that we should all be careful about not upsetting me and try to accept who we are?

What do you think would be a good response to my frog/night claim?

"Thats great. I stay human at night. It must be fun for you to turn into a frog"

February 28, 2009
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oops. blank post.

I was going to add: If President Obama today claimed and believed that he turned into a fairy at night and regularly flew over NY at about 4am every night before returning to his bed, would that and should that have no consequences at all for him?

And no one in America should talk about this claim and belief of his?

February 28, 2009
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Right Hep.

I was thinking the same thing, but I gave g_g another chance and posted my beliefs.

Even though i don't beleive in reincarnation ( in the form of an actual soul/persona transferring to another) I don't put people down who do. They have their own life, experiences they draw from. I've no right to judge or harass in the manner g_g does. It rally doesn't matter.

Right fighting. What a waste of time, and a good way to isolate yourself from having ANY healthy human relationships.

It seems he starts a lot of threads with an underlying agenda to tear down Tez. It IS personal and hatefull.

g_g this is a mental health forum.We're all have our issues. Including you.

But your focus is to harm someone, not help others in the manner THEY need and certainly not to heal yourself

It's all projection and deflection.

There ya go. Go after me now. ;0P

I'm not responding anymore.

February 28, 2009
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Oh, Ladies, Guest heard all of this before on the original Insights thread and vehemently denied having a grudge against Tez. Eventually, the SC booted him off the thread for his personal attacks. However, seems that Guest still finds a way to bring Tez down, using similar tactics.

It's unfortunate, I think. So much energy spent in phony debate and link searching, all to discredit Tez. Everyone can see through it, despite Guest's attempts to deny it. Pointing it out to him simply makes him dig his heels in deeper.

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February 28, 2009
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I should have said, "to TRY and bring Tez down", because no matter how hard he tries, Guest's attacks bounce off of Tez. Tez remains solid while Guest discredits himself further and with more posters. Sad. Really sad. Because when Guest allows himself to be genuine and reach out to people sincerely, he's wonderful.

February 28, 2009
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All you guys getting PANICKY: Calm the F down, alright?

Look. It was a real honest opinion poll and I asked what people thought about reincarnation. And then I had a few comments. Why do you guys feel the need to protect Tez like he's a 5 month old baby? He can defend himself, right? I've been kicked out of his Dalai Lama thread. I can make my own thread if I want and have a discussion on it. I didnt ask Tez to take part in it. He's free to leave and not respond and hey! So are you guys. Case closed. Good to see you go MsGuided, it was nice having you for the short while you were here.

I was, by the way in my previous reincarnatio - a polish rat in 1963 who made lots of rat babies. We loved the sewer then. Now? Not so much.

Mary, you're just trying to be nice. You're trying to make your poison appear stronger by offering some sugar too:

>> Because when Guest allows himself to be genuine and reach out to people sincerely, he's wonderful.

Whats the evidence of that?

A person says he was a GERMAN GIRL IN HIS PREVIOUS LIFE WHO USED TO MAKE UNIFORMS FOR SOLDIERS. There's nothing WRONG about me wanting to talk about it, alright guys? So yea -calm the F down and mind your own *'ing business.

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Lets get back to the topic for those who are interested. If you're not interested in this thread then just LEAVE. Its simple, really. You dont have to explain why and when and who.

>> Only, I'd like to set the record straight. I was a German girl, not a soldier, who worked in a huge factory/workshop that contained row upon row of industrial sewing machines. We were making Wehrmacht uniforms, en masse, for the German army.

How does one verify something like that? How much sense does it make?

Most of all: what does it say about the judgement of the person who believes in stuff like that?

Why are you all afraid to voice your opinions? Are you afraid of something?

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Oops sorry. Another blank post.

February 28, 2009
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Ok so - I think I got the opinion that I was looking for:

"Reincarnation is another way for us to deny our end. Past lives allow us to romantisize our existance or explain our present predicament."

If you have anything fruitful to add to this discussion, go ahead otherwise feel free to not respond.

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guest_guest,

what do you consider fruitful to the discussion?

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