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Is it ever a good idea to discuss religion, politics and sex with someone who believes differently?
December 7, 2010
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BFG,
its a bad feeling knowing that there are people out there who are
trying to use me on their road to salvation :(.

December 8, 2010
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Christians believe that they have been called upon to
marginalize other faiths but are the first to scream 'persecution'
when the favour is returned.

Funny cause it's
true! Sad at the same time.

Can't remember who
I quoted. It's from link (M) had once posted about some Baptist
church. It's on the tip of my tongue/fingers.

December 8, 2010
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It
is...i get very weary of someone who wants to be there for me and
always wants to support me, who is always throwing in how god
changed their lives and how he picked them out to talk too...kinda
of creeps me out a bit too...

December 9, 2010
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one
person I met recently, we had lunch after working out, talked bout
herself the entire time, never asked anything bout me, it was ALL
about HER..she goes to this weird community church that is just
plain odd, talk bout being agreesive to reach the lost, who refuse
to be in church...made me want to barf actually...she never ask a
thing bout me, we met for the very first time and I will never met
her again, and she is this born again church goer!

December 9, 2010
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She
brought up church in just about every sentence, not preachy but the
word GOD or church was in about every single sentence, I said
NOTHING bout GOD or church, that is probably why she is not rushing
to make another lunch date with me, probably senses how lost I am
and sees that I have a brain too. prolly scares her away! HA!
good!

December 9, 2010
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BFG,
I know there are all of these people out there who think GOD is
lost and they are the ones that found him.

December 15, 2010
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BFG,

That is a tough
one. It seems to me that folks like you described can't really
"discuss" anything; They really just want folks to listen to their
point of view and feel superior.

An enlightened
person, someone who really believes and live the religion, rarely
imposes their will.

This person sounds
like she is trying to impress with her religion, like some kind of
name dropper, or lable obsessed shopper.

Cary

December 15, 2010
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Hi
cary:) Thanks for stopping by;) yes, I agree!

December 15, 2010
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caraway, it is kind of sad when people have to replace the
words in a book with reality. As if they don't have a mind of their
own. Kinda of sad when a person has to have their beliefs and
values dictated by a socially acceptable third party. As if they
have no internal personal values guiding their life.

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@puptent

You wrote to
Caraway:

"As if they
have no internal personal values guiding their
life."

Could it be that
in childhood such people of whom you speak, were derided and
chastized by their parents when they vocalized their childish
beliefs about their worlds; i.e.in recounting stories about
invisible friends, past lives etc?

Did such people,
as children, as a consequence lose all faith in their own ability
to think for themselves about the underpinnings of the world about
them?

Did such people,
still lacking self-confidence as young adults, abnegate all
responsibility for thinking for themselves about deep spiritual
issues; preferring instead to unquestioningly take on board
the beliefs of religious authority figures?

Maybe, to suggest
to such people, that they were wrong in taking on board
unquestioningly scriptural 'truths', is to repeat yet again what
their parents did to them; that is, to cast aspersions upon their
intellectual capabilities to decide for themselves what they should
believe.

Thus discussing
religion might open a whole can of worms for such people. Spiritual
minefields require careful treading.

@Craigco

I enjoyed reading
your recent posts. You have come a long way in a very short time,
have you not?

December 17, 2010
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Hi
Tez!

Yes,
indoctrination of children. What an effective way to stifle their
intellectual growth. Some are able to crawl out of that mind trap,
others not so fortunate. Caught believeing in something that I
don't see as being condusive to our evolving as a
species.

> "Spiritual
minefields require careful treading."

You said a
yap-full there! I think I tend to 'tromp' rather than tread.
Perhaps not the most effective way to sway an audience? lol
But,...I'm admittedly not very adept at sugar coating the facts
that expose xtianity/religion for what it is. Plenty that I don't
know but...I'm not opposed to opening my mind to other
possibilities. It never ceases to amaze me - people who's minds are
literally lost in dogma-land. Doesn't make them evil, just deluded
IMO.

Wth is so terrible
with being authentic & saying "I don't fricking know?' But,
they'd rather spread the biblical bs around. They feel they need
others to believe as they do to be validated. IMO.

Re - my coming a
long way in a relatively short time: Well, I came here to AAC in
mid 08. (give er take) I had been recently dumped, feeling rather
emotionally overwhelmed, taking about God/prayer & such. A bit
of a mess I was. Got involved in Alanon where I was introduced to
the 'higher power' concept. Having been raised in a church going
environment, I wasn't very familiar with that concept but welcomed
it. Seemed infinitely more sensible to me than the Xtian version of
'God.' That vengeful, egotistical, racist, mysogynistic (the list
goes on & on) God who listens to the murmurs of many millions
simultaneously & won't hesitate to ensure that you suffer
forever if you don't buy the whole Adam/Eve, talking snake,
'father, son & holy ghost' package. Looking back it's so
laughable now that I even tied to put any stock into it. The
effects of over exposure to religion can be more powerful than
crak! lol So many people are afraid to let go. So be it. My only
regrets about the whole 'letting go' of Xtianity is that I hadn't
done it sooner.

So, 'yes' from
believing the lie to recognizing it as such, is a considerable
jump, but not one that people should fear. There is a life after
Xtianity. One that doesn't divide people as does
religion.

I think the more
one opens their mind, the more they realize they haven't a clue.
Pretty arrogant to think we know what the big picture is. Rather
egotistical I'd say.

December 21, 2010
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Hey
CraigCo, have you seen this
video?

For some time now,
I have believed that the Gospel According to Thomas reeks of
Buddhist insights. This video raises some very interesting pointers
to that very same belief. The 'missing years' have never been
explained satisfactorily by Christian scholars. This video at least
offers some explanation of where Jesus was.

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