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Is it ever a good idea to discuss religion, politics and sex with someone who believes differently?
November 28, 2010
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@Tez,
again a pleasure to hear from you. Unconscious competence is
another way of describing the "autopilot" mode that you made
reference to. Driving would be a perfect example of that. A person
who has no driving experience would be driving around in a car with
an instructor (hopefully) in the conscious competence mode. An
experienced driver would be driving a car around in the unconscious
competence mode.

If a human being
were to be walking around in an animalistic mode this type of
person would be at a high risk of being dangerous to others. Humans
who have suffered brain injuries or whose brains have not fully
developed in organically might be operating on this
level

You asked about
how much control we can exert over our unconscious process? We have
no direct control over our unconscious that is why it is called
unconscious.

You brought up an
EXCELLENT point about using meditation to become aware of what
thoughts, feelings, etc. lie beneath the surface. IMHO whatever
method someone uses to achieve this effect, hypnosis, MRD(hope
those are the correct initials), etc. is a great way to expand,
improve, and heal the mind.

The last paragraph
that you wrote about beliefs about nature.... IMHO is a very
accurate observation on your part.

I have a question
for you now Tez. Keeping the topic of conscious vs. unconscious in
mind do you think that a criminal/sociopath having no conscious is
an accurate description? When the problem more than likely lies in
the unconscious mind, or in the brain itself as in it is
damaged?

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Thanks for your
response and your question. You asked:

"do you think
that a criminal/sociopath having no conscious[conscience?]
is an accurate description? When the problem more than likely
lies in the unconscious mind, or in the brain itself as in it is
damaged?"

Hmmm!! Though this
is a very good question, it is a difficult question for me to
answer for several reasons.

IMHO,there are
more fundamental questions that need clarification first. For
example, is the unconscious mind a function of the brain or the
brain a function of the unconscious mind? Is there an
interdependency between both as well as an independent separate
existence of each? Neuroscience hasn't as yet been able to locate
the 'humunculous' - the 'ghost in the brain' - as yet.

My understanding
of a criminal/sociopath is someone who is totally self-centered;
who is incapable of empathy; who has no concept of right or wrong
other than in respect to the fulfillment of his/her own desires
regardless of the cost to his/her victims. Such a person is astute
in knowing how to impersonate a caring human being in order to dupe
his/her victims out of whatever he/she desires to take from
them.

As you probably
know, neuroscience has identified parts of the brain that are
associated with 'mirroring' the brain responses of others in the
brain that is perceiving the emotions in others. Are you suggesting
that a sociopath may have this part of the empathizing brain
malfunctioning?

What comes first -
the chicken or the egg?

How I see
it?

Along comes a
copulating couple to whom a fertilized egg is the immediate result.
I see three mind streams involved in this interaction; namely the
mind stream of the father, the mother and that of the
intended(maybe consciously unintended) new foetus. All three of
these mind streams have a long history of karmic
experiences(pre-conditioning)which set about interacting in the
processes of making a new body complete with brand new neural
interconnections. This is what,IMHO, directs which neuron to
connect to which in this labrynth called an embryonic brain. Thus
the causes and conditions exist for the formation of the brain of
the baby with all its mind stream's past history of pre-programming
to set up the potential sociopathic behavior to come. Whether that
behavior is a function of either the brain or the mind, I believe
that no distinction is really relevant. When sitting in moral
judgement on a sociopath, one must consider one's own
responsibility for one's own past experiences together with the
resulting programming of one's present brain/mind. Where does that
responsibility lie???? To what degree are we responsible for our
past experiences and the inherent programming of our unconscious
that is a consequence of our responses to those
experiences.

What comes first -
the chicken or the egg? Was there ever a time when our mind/brain
was a 'tabla rasa'; a blank slate; a pure pristine lake of crystal
clear water??? Such a mind would only perceive good in everything,
thus never programming itself with hatred, jealousy, envy, sloth,
greed - all fear based responses to a perceived threat to this
thing labelled the 'self'. Such a pristine clear mind is said to be
full of bliss, love, and compassion. From whence does hatred,
greed, a lack of love, and compassion come to pollute such a
pristine mind??? Some think that our natural experiences in a human
body, complete with sense organs, are the culprits. Some also think
that our 'salvation' lies in being able to see everything once
again through the 'eyes' of this pristine mind. Now I'm starting to
sound like a preacher. Please note that I belong to no
religion.

So is the
sociopath to be 'blamed' for his/her highly dysfunctional mental
states as being self-induced, self-programmed, albeit
unconsciously?

What is this
'thing' labelled the 'conscience'? Isn't it little more than
unconsciously derived, preprogrammed, parental voices from the long
distant past saying "do this" and "don't do that"??? Did you see
the movie, that was based upon a true story based upon the life of
Frank Abagnale Jr.; a movie called: "Catch me if you can"??? It is
very instructive and thought provoking - I thought. Here
is the video of the trailer.

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Tez,
Thank you for the explanation. I did see Catch me if you Can years
ago. You cannot hold a person responsible for something they refuse
to accept responsibility for and/or are incapable of being
responsible for. For example you cannot hold an infant responsible
for urinating in his diaper. He has no neurological or conscious
control over that. Could be the same with a sociopath. All we see
is a physically mature person. We cannot see their brain and how
certain neuro connections might be absent, malfunctioning or
damaged. If we could we would understand why they do what they
do.

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you
wrote:

"We cannot see
their brain and how certain neuro connections might be absent,
malfunctioning or damaged. If we could we would understand why they
do what they do."

You raised a very
good point here. This understanding is ane of several that were
crucial to my abandoning any beliefs regarding the existence of a
God of any kind.

If a God existed
who created all, is all powerful, all knowing then that same God
would know everything about the workings of our minds in the most
minutest detail. Such an all knowing, all powerful God would, by
definition, have had to hav deliberately created us in this state
of ignorance of the true nature of our own psyche. To have
deliberately done this such a God would be either a sadist or a
very compassionate God who sees suffering as being in our very best
interests. Since suffering, as opposed to pain, stems from our
attitude to pain and not the pain itself, and this attitude is
formed largely if not entirely by our ignorance of the unconscious
workings of our mind then, how can this ignorance and the suffering
it causes be in our best interests?? If an all powerful creator God
wanted something to happen in our best interests bringing that
about without suffering would be a breeze!! Thus I'm left with the
options that either there exists either a sick sadistic or
masochistic God, or no God exists at all. But a sick masochistic or
sadistic God contradicts the whole God definition! An all knowing
,all powerful God would certainly not have a 'sick' nature by
definition! Thus by the elimination of possible options, I conclude
that no God could possibly exist at all.

This atheism of
mine does not preclude my perhaps erroneous belief in the existence
of either matter, energy, or mind streams, or quantum fields or any
other mind constructed models of how our universe might function.
At best, such notions are mind constructs, labels, mental objects
that I create and then impose on my external reality, thinking that
my mental objects are how my universe really is.

This is my great
ignorance; - a trap that I fall into moment by moment in my
delusion filled life - I believe that the world is as it appears to
me to be.

The 64 million
dollar question is: "HOW THE BLOODY HELL CAN I SINCERELY WRITE THIS
AND STILL BE FOOLED BY MY OWN PSYCHE IN MY EVERY DAY LIFE????".
Either my unconscious doesn't believe that which my conscious mind
does as I write this, - i.e. I am self-deceiving - or I suffer from
some kind of dual personality disorder that switches from insight
mode into every day delusional mode. What the f...... is going on
here???

I suspect that I
am wrestling with my 'autopilot's on/off control' moment by moment
in a David and Goliath battle - and I haven't even got a
slingshot!!

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If I
might interject?

In reading
puptent's last response, I remembered watching a show on the
Discovery Channel: "Most Evil"

Dr. Michael Stone
profiled various cases and ranked *evil* on a scale of 1-22 and the
reasons why:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil

Though the show
was a little too dramatic and over the top for my tastes (with the
creepy music and authority-like narration etc...) still, I thought
the content was very interesting.

Tez,

I couldn't help
but notice when you wrote:

"Thus I'm left
with the options that either there exists either a sick sadistic or
masochistic God, or no God exists at all. But a sick masochistic or
sadistic God contradicts the whole God definition! An all knowing
,all powerful God would certainly not have a 'sick' nature by
definition! Thus by the elimination of possible options, I conclude
that no God could possibly exist at all."

I guess what
sprang to my mind in reading that is the fact of the either/or - 1
of 2 only options scenerio.

Do you think there
might possibly be more than just these two limited ways/options of
looking at it?

(Believe me, if I
knew, I would share it!!!)

What kind of helps
me along these lines was a talk I heard once given by Edgar
Mitchell from one of the Apollo missions.

He had such a
profound experience in space that he felt all of the molecules in
his body and that of the spacecraft and all of the stars were all
part of the same *thing*

This prompted him
to start his Institue of Noetic Sciences and to write his book "The
Way of the Exporer."

With only a small
handful of people who have landed on the moon and can truly view
this earth from an entirely different perspective...well, it just
gives me a little more food for thought...and something that I
thought I would share.

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And
then there is the interview with L. Ron Hubbard's son.

According to his
son, Hubbard mixed phenobarbital with chewing gum and forced his
little kids to chew it. The reason he gave the kids for doing that
was "drugs help bring you closer to Satan."

Later on, the
son's job was to go beat up and recapture scientologists who tried
to leave.

Eventually the son
left the "church" when he discovered that scientology offices were
doubling as KGB safe houses and that his dad was helping the
Soviets spy against the US during the cold war. He then spent years
on the run from his dad's agents.

Some folks have
had it.

http://www.lermanet.com/scient.....e07-82.htm

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On the 29-Nov-10
you asked:

"Do you think
there might possibly be more than just these two limited
ways/options of looking at it?"

I certainly do
think that there are other options. But these options lie outside
the domain of a personal God of any kind.

If one stretches
the domain of 'Godhood' to include the quantum field and/or the
Ground of All Being, or Pure Mind then I certainly can see that
other options are credible. However, when I wrote what I did, I was
speaking from the perspective of a Christian with belief in the
existence of a personal God who is a separate Being, a
Supreme Entity with a personality, who experiences feelings,
emotions and thoughts, who can communicate with lesser beings, such
as humans and who is all knowing, and all powerful.

Of Mitchell, you
wrote:

"He had such a
profound experience in space that he felt all of the molecules in
his body and that of the spacecraft and all of the stars were all
part of the same *thing*"

I find this
statement very credible indeed. If our conscious 'awareness' stems
from and originites in 'Pure Mind' which underpins our lesser
minds, then such a feeling could well be based upon Mitchell
sensing the true nature of Ultimate Reality. But from my
perspective Pure Mind is not an Entity, nor is 'It' definable,
separate from anything else, nor is 'It' describable by using
words. To 'Know' the Source of Our Being to the extent that
Mitchell did, we would have to let go of our clinging to all of our
delusions of separation and 'self-hood'; delusions that our
'ego-selves' fight so hard to maintain.

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Hi
Tez,

OK. I understand
now that you have made the personal G-d distinction.

You wrote: "nor is
'It' describable by using words."

I completetly
agree with you on that one!

Confusing the map
(aka using words) with the actual territory.

For me, the best
that I can come up with (so far) along these lines is the
definition of one.

Whereas *one*
means BOTH single AND united...and also (as an interesting sidebar)
I remember back in elementary school being conflicted between math
and biology.

In math we learn
the symbols to explain and maintain a certain degree of
logic...(add, subtract, multiply & divide) whereas in
biology....in the creation of a human being for example, cells
actually *multiply* through *division.*

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Why
so many different religions and GODs, they ALL can't be right, not
logical, so they have to all be wrong? Maybe not, Only one can be
right, so in that thought, if only one religion is correct, what
bout all those others who are brainwashed into their own religion?
God just sends them all to hell? hard to believe that...can not
wrap that around my brain at all.. All correct? Way to easy and
would not make sense either...so I am left with no religion or just
one? UGH! Religion controls and pits people against each other,
keeps us in line and often demonizes others who were abused, like
whores, homosexuals and etc.. Loving? do not think so, cause I
believe that those who are prostitues and gay have been abused and
have no other choice, that their brain eve

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Why
so many different religions and GODs, they ALL can't be right, not
logical, so they have to all be wrong? Maybe not, Only one can be
right, so in that thought, if only one religion is correct, what
bout all those others who are brainwashed into their own religion?
God just sends them all to hell? hard to believe that...can not
wrap that around my brain at all.. All correct? Way to easy and
would not make sense either...so I am left with no religion or just
one? UGH! Religion controls and pits people against each other,
keeps us in line and often demonizes others who were abused, like
whores, homosexuals and etc.. Loving? do not think so, cause I
believe that those who are prostitues and gay have been abused and
have no other choice, that their brain even changes from the abuse
as well.

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BFG,
the sicko named Mitchell that kidnapped and molested Elizabeth
smart is a 51 year old street preacher. Go figure.

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Of course, I know
that you are not mixing up Brian David Mitchell with Edgar
Mitchell. My understanding is that you are drawing attention to
Brian David Mitchell as an example of how the unconscious can
harbour very evil desires without the conscious knowledge or even
more importantly the acceptance of such demons residing within our
personal unconscious; namely, you were drawing attention to the
Jungian 'shadow'.

An Extract from a
Jungian Analysis article called 'An Outline of
Analytical Psychology' By Edward R. Edinger, M.D.:

"The shadow is
a composite of personal characteristics and potentialities of
which the individual is unaware. Usually the shadow, as
indicated by the word, contains inferior characteristics and
weaknesses which the ego's self-esteem will not permit it to
recognize.

The shadow may
be personified in dreams by such figures as criminals, drunkards
and derelicts. Technically it must be of the same sex as the
dreamer. As with all unconscious contents, the shadow is first
experienced in projection. This means that an unconscious quality
of one's own is first recognized and reacted to when it is
discovered in an outer object. So long as the shadow is projected,
the individual can hate and condemn freely the weakness and evil
seen in others while maintaining a sense of righteousness.
Discovery of the shadow as a personal content may, if it is sudden,
cause temporary confusion and depression. This will be most likely
if the ego's previous attitude has bee especially
inflated.

The shadow is
the first layer of the unconscious to be encountered in
psychological analysis. It is not always a negative content. In
many cases unconscious positive potentialities of the personality
reside in the shadow. In such cases we speak of a positive shadow.
Furthermore, the evil and dangerous aspect of the shadow is often
due more to its circumstances than to its essence. Just as animals
which have become vicious by starvation and brutal treatment can be
changed into loyal companions by loving care, so the shadow
loses much of its negative aspect when given conscious acceptance
and attention.

The problem of
the shadow and its projection applies to collective psychology as
well. The persecution of the Jews by the Nazis is a terrifying
example of the extent to which a collective shadow projection can
go. The same psychological mechanism operates in discrimination
against other minority groups. For more on the shadow, see
(4).

The first layer
of the unconscious, the shadow, is also called by Jung the personal
unconscious, as distinguished from the collective unconscious. The
personal unconscious or shadow contains personal contents belonging
to the individual himself which can and properly should be made
conscious and integrated into the conscious personality and
ego."

Well... if Jung is
correct then would we be helping or hindering Brian David
Mitchell's acceptance of his own shadow if we were to publicly
shame and condemn him as being an evil person? Perhaps, had David
been able to bring into consciousness his desire to kidnap and
control a young woman for his own self-centered purposes, then he
might not have felt compelled to carry out the act that he so
obviously would have condemned with his conscious mind prior to it
happening.

Not being a
Christian, I feel that I am not preaching by quoting this. The
Christian St. Paul seems to acknowledge the presence of the
unconscious shadow when he wrote in his letter to the
Romans:

"7:19 For the
good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I
do.

7:20 Now if I
do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that
dwelleth in me.

7:21 I find
then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with
me.

7:22 For I
delight in the law of God after the inward man:

7:23 But I see
another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and
bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my
members.

7:24 O wretched
man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this
death?"

But where is the
answer?? Pray??? Hmmm!! All the prayers in the world didn't appear
to stop Brian David Mitchell from acting out the evil desires
contained in his 'shadow'! How much power has Christianity really
got?

What religion, if
any, actually encourages and promotes such indepths exploration of
the inner workings of the mind?

So if we are
dealing with 'shadow' material in discussing religion, politics and
sex should we not first guage the depth of inner work done by both
ourselves and the partners with whom we choose to carry on the
discussion?

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Thanks for your
post of 2-Dec-10.

Have you read and
contemplated at depth the Poem By Seng T'san called
Hsin Hsin Ming (Verses On Faith Mind)? It has taken quite a
number of readings before I have grasped even a smidgen of the
depth in it. There are several translations/interpretations on the
net.

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Oh
Man Tez!!!!! Where in the world did you find this
jewel????

WOW!!!!!!

Thank you, thank
you, thank you!

I just can't wipe
this big ole grin off my face right now!!!!

Oh wow is all I
have to say!!!!!

SPOT
ON!!!!!!

You want to know
the really weird thing about this all? What I imagined in my head
while reading it?

Was sitting in a
car with the engine running and with the gear set clearly in
neutral.

*Neutral.*

I have to tall ya
Tez, I know that in the past we kind of butted heads with all of
the Buddist stuff and all, but man oh man - I think that we are on
the same page here bro - without a doubt!!!!! I really
do.

To just be OK in
the *neutral* state.

Because you know,
if you were like me....we want answers by gosh! Explanations. We
want to KNOW FOR SURE STUFF one way or the other, you
know?

But you kind of
want to know what I am finally coming to think and realize about
all of that?

If we DID know
everything....then there would BE no mystery.

What fun is that,
actually?

Kind of like a
pool of stagnant water just kind of sitting there.

Becoming stinky
and all and eventually forming a thick skin-like substance on top
because of it.

No mystery at all.
shrug.

NOT to be confused
with the neutrality this link speaks of at all.

In its heart of
hearts.

For I think that
being stagnant and being neutral are two totally different
things.

Stagnant never
moves. It just sits there....kind of paralized (again with the
spelling?) in a way.

Neutrality (sorry
- spelling?) on the other hand suggests to me to almost be in the
eye of the storm...kind of like in a tornado, in a way.

Where even though
all havoc is being let loose all around....the balance is found at
the very heart, the very essence of this *thing.*

Where all of the
opposing forces seem to all gather in the middle in a
non-destructive way.

Kind of like maybe
if you have ever held 2 oppposing magnets against each
other....there is that force that is there.

Not necessarily
opposing, but I like to think of it as the neutral zone, in this
way.

Not really
clashing but yet not automatically STUCK either.

Perhaps I might be
a little off-base here...(but shoot - its never stopped me before!)
but there is a late 1970's CD entitled: Grover Washington Jr. "Live
at the Bijou" Track #4: Days in Our Lives/Mr. Magic.

Basically you have
to listen to nearly 3/4 of it or more to get to the really good
part towards the very end.

And by the "really
good part" I mean it builds up. It builds up and up and up and
up.

At first you just
kind of groove to it all. No biggie.

Just listen and
groove.

Around 7:50 into
the song, you get kind of a hint as to what is to come...a little
toying.

13:10 is the
reality check.

(Pre-cursor to
rap, I might add...)

Then (shoot) come
round about 14:56 into the song *IT* begins.

Starts to get
serious.

Come 15:33 you are
fast approaching.

I mean.

Come 16:01 you are
fully into to it, it almost builds you into a frenzy and by that I
mean that I actually have to hold my shaking, vibrating hands out
about 12 inches apart (along with the rest of me) and in this
moment...in this very moment....I can actually FEEL the energy. No
doubt about it. FEEL IT....like the kind of *energy* that you feel
with the opposing magnets.

This my friend is
known to musicians the world over as tapping into "THE
ZONE!"

Oh
yeah!

"The Zone"
alright!

Secret no
more.

(After that, the
rest of the song eventually winds down.)

Comes around full
circle though, to that link which you were kind enough to share
with me....me thinks.

...the
zone.

THE
ZONE.

🙂

tBt

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Have you ever
heard of Professor John Wren Lewis? He is one of my countrymen - an
Australian - an academic! He had little time for religious
experiences or religion in general. However, he would not have
classified himself as an athiest. He had a near death experience
(NDE) of a very different kind that makes fascinating reading.
Click here to
read about it.

After this NDE his
state of consciousness changed very radically. He experiences what
feels like a "Void"(Emptiness) behind his head; a "Void" from
which, instant by instant, his reality is somehow created. Seng
T'san warns against being caught up with this "Void" as much as he
does about getting caught up in 'worldly preoccupations'when he
wrote: "Live neither in the entanglements of outer things, nor
in ideas or feelings of emptiness."

John Wren Lewis
wrote another interesting article about his post NDE experiences in
dealing with his day to day life. This guy is not a Buddhist. Yet
when he speaks about his daily reality, he sounds just like a
Buddhist in many respects. This is a link to the second
article.

I don't think one
has to become a Buddhist to attain levels of consciousness
described in Seng T'san's 'Hsin Hsin Ming'. But I do find some of
the Buddha's sutras fascinating in their depth.

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Eesh!
Not real easy to absorb. I'd have to read that sucker over a few
more times to grasp just what the hell he's yodelin about. lol I
think I may have blown a cranial fuse tryin to cipher thru it
all.

Re - John Lewis:
That poison candy he was fed on the train triggered his awakenings?
Might have to get me some of that.

I watched a neat,
simple little claymation vid that pretty much sums up the status
quo. It's called 'The cave'.

Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....9F7GhASOdM

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Tez,

Thanks for the
links on Lewis. I'll have to chew on it for awhile before I can
comment...

CC,

"The Cave" looks
interesting. I have dial-up and can't watch youtube 🙁 but I like
the simplicity of claymations especially when it tackles complex
issues.

I saw one not too
long ago (on the IFC channel?) entitled: "Mary and Max" by
Australian director Adam Elliot.

Here's a
synopsis:

http://www.moviecritic.com.au/.....animation/

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@Tez,
I read the stuff Lewis wrote. I took it as his perception of an
isolated incident that happened to him. IMHO either you are alive
or you are dead. Whatever experiences people report with NDE they
were alive when it happened. It stands to reason that the brain
would store a certain amount of oxygen and blood for a certain
amount of time after the heart stops beating and respiration's
cease. This is what keeps it functioning. The body dies in
different stages. The clinical definition of death i.e. the
inability to obtain a heartbeat, observe respiration's, inability
to register a blood pressure reading, cessation of brain wave
activity is obviously different then the bodies actual biological
death. We have all heard the stories about people recovering from
comas after having no brain activity for years, finding people
alive in mortuaries, etc. Only means our ability to detect death is
imperfect not that the person actually died then came back to
life.

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"I took it as
his perception of an isolated incident that happened to
him."

I was more
interested in the long term effect that the NDE had on his
awareness levels rather than the "isolated
incident".

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@Tez
a lot of things influence our brain wave activity and
perceptions.

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Of
course "a lot of things influence our brain.." but regarding 'this'
particular case, the effect was rather profound to put it mildly.
It's the 'in between' that most never experience. Neither dead nor
fully alive. One foot on either side.

Seems feasible to
me that one would indeed experience something that transcends the
everyday conscious state of mind. A peek thru a doorway? A taste of
something spiritual that we are not privy to under normal
circumstances. It merits consideration/investigation IMO. Nothing
to be afraid of. Rather fascinating really.

Not so sure about
the 'either dead or not' stance. I can't buy that it's
unequivocally so. Things aren't always so black & white as
science would lead us to believe they are. Even Lewis, a professor,
as scientifically minded as they come, no longer believes
that.

Wish I had nothing
but time to really delve into this type o stuff.

Tbt,

I've checked out
that 'Mary & Max' overview via the link you'd provided. Looks
like something right up my alley. I want to search for some movie
clips.

So, you've no
Youtube/vid viewing capability, you say? Well, maybe it's just as
well. Pretty easy to waste a lot of time doing that. It's a fairly
cool/convenient way to research things sometimes but, other times
with one vid leading to another, before you know it you've p*ssed
an entire evening away glued to the monitor watching all manner of
videos.

Chow 4
now!

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Another symbolic claymation vid I ran across searching for the
'Mary & Max' clip which, incidentally, was also pretty sweet
(Geez, I sound like my son with the 'sweet' adj.)

'Satan visits the
children'

During the video,
Satan asks 3 children what they would like to eat (interestingly,
the girl asks for apples, lol) which he conjures for them. He then
creates a little clay village complete with little clay people for
the children's amusement, saying "I find you humans quite
interesting, even though you are a worthless, greedy lot. Soon
after, he brings about an elemental catastrophy, killing many of
the people. The children voice concern over this to which Satan
replies, "I can do no wrong, for I do not know what it is.
Nevermind people. They are of no value. We could make more
sometime...if we need them." (hmm, the same viewpoint shared by our
present day rulers?)

"Life itself, is
only a vision. A dream. Nothing exisits, save empty space...and
you. And 'you' ...are but a thought."

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people are dumbed down with the notion that a fairy in the sky
will his justice and that all will be well when we are dead...that
is what keeps people in place, doing what GOD wants them to do, be
servants, do good, oh the bunny trail we go down when we really
open up our eyes, alot of brainwashed people who drink the local
water.

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So
many people who were religious only extended their friendship in
hopes of converting me, when that did not happen, they would be
convinced that I was evil and would go away, I am very leary of
anyone who is really into religion, who has to be my new best
friend, and its not just the holier than thou types, I have a
catholic friend who constantly tells me that she feels GOD wants
her to come to church with her, no its to just make her look good
and to get brownie points with her church, I seen this sooo much
over and over in my life that it just gets very predictable and
laughable even...

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