Avatar
Please consider registering
guest
sp_LogInOut Log In sp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_TopicIcon
If "God's So Good and God's So Great".......
February 3, 2007
2:19 pm
Avatar
LA Rosa
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thank You guest_guest, and well put!

I agree that "this God business is meant to take you away from you".

and that religion says "YOU are less important than me".

February 3, 2007
3:51 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

Thanks LA Rosa. We live in a crazy world where so many people cant see what we see. They feel the same way about us, heh. But what we see is the most obvious of all different the things to see. Thats the advantage we have. Thats why religion is dying. Every generation more and more people are found on the right side.

February 3, 2007
4:10 pm
Avatar
Randomwomen2
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 9
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think that when we die we will find out who was on the right side and who was on the wrong side

February 3, 2007
5:26 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

I used to think the same before I stopped believing in religion.

February 3, 2007
8:25 pm
Avatar
Guest
Guests

seekerw.

On the 2-Feb-07 you said:

"Tez,

Interesting story. I get the impression that you do not disbelieve in God, ... Just my impression; only you know the truth of the matter."

You have unfortunately gained the wrong impression.I certainly do not believe in the existence of any personal God a defined by any theistic religion, especially that of the Christian religion. My story was meant to show by use of a parable the glaring flaws in your own Christian fairy story.

and you added:

" ...but you are angry with him because you feel he let you down in some way...."

I am angry with the people who filled my childhood head with such deceptions, irrationality and downright stupidity. The fear that Christians instilled into my young head lead to a life of fuck ups up and until I freed myself from the insane, puerile crap that they pedal to naive children in their sick power games.

I certainly don't feel angry with the Tooth Fairy, Father Christmas, the Phantom, Batman and Robin or the Christian God all for the same reason - none of the above exist.

I sincerely hope that this unequivocally defines my position in this regard.

If at all possible, I certainly would like to help liberate you less fortunate people who have not as yet shed your shackles of Christian bondage and delusion!!

February 3, 2007
9:05 pm
Avatar
Guest
Guests

plzdon'tsayuneedme

On the 2-Feb-07 you wrote:

"If you are not a believer, then what difference does it make?"

With respect, Christian politicians make decisions based upon their own personal, idiotic religious beliefs that severely impinge on me and mine - that's why.

And then you asked:

"Why do you blame all the evil in the world on someone who you do not believe exists?"

I don't ... what gave you the idea that I do blame some non-existent God???

I blame the socialized stupidity of Christians for perpetuating the evils that they do, not the poor ignorant Christians themselves. Bush, Hitler and Stalin all being reared as Christians and the latter being an ex-seminarian priest, all inflicted hell upon the world en masse. Bush is only starting his foray. More evil is yet to come I fear!

And you added:

"It's just always been a curious thing to me...are we all just looking for someone or something to blame?"

Not me. I know where the cause of evil lies. It is attachment, aversion and delusions inherent in most if not all human beings including myself. It is the human condition. It is up to us, not some divine savior, to either free ourselves by our own efforts or to sit in our own shit, the choice is ours to make. Christianity fosters ignorance and leads now where but to more of the same old, same old and worse.

And you added:

"...I am a believer! And since I believe in God, I also believe He is the beginning and the end of all things. Do I understand everything that happens in this fallen world? Absolutely NOT!"

Why do you not understand? Is this a cop out for not making the mental effort to understand? Or is it low self-esteem and lack of confidence in your own ability to understand?? At least you admit your ignorance. That's a good start. It's all up from here.

And you added:

"But the beauty of knowing God, is knowing I don't have to have all the answers. It's not MY load to carry, as I am NOT the one in charge."

Ahhhh, you have found some divinity to whom to pass the buck for your own ignorance? This belief won't get you anywhere but to everlasting ignorance.

And you added:

"Too many times, we try to wrap our finite minds around an infinite God."

You mean we try to wrap our minds around and to understand an infinitely nonsensical fairy story? I agree on the stupidity of such futility.

Christians often resort to this caveat when it suits them to cover glaring contradictions and inadequacies in their beliefs. However, at other times they claim to know what their God thinks and wants, especially their God's will for them. You can't have it both ways!

And you added:

"Ain't gonna happen, folks. I believe that He is who He says He is, and He can do what He says He can do. And that's all I need to know."

Yep! That's the unquestioning childhood socialization and conditioning that shackles you Christians to your delusions ad infinitum.

Then you finished with:

"Respectfully submitted, Plz~"

And equally respectfully responded to in return - Tez~.

February 3, 2007
9:49 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

Alright God believers:

Why did God destroy this church in the recent Florida storms?

Church destroyed along with dozens of homes in Florida storms

"The
Lady Lake Church of God in central Florida was built 31 years ago to withstand
winds of 150 miles-an-hour. It's been demolished in an overnight storm."

This is funny:

"Parishioners have gathered amid the ruins, hugging each other and vowing
to return bigger and stronger."

So after the God they'd been praying to destroys their church, they promise
to come back stronger. Thats like a dumb kid promising to come back for
more punches. Right? I'm sorry for the damage and all, its sad ofcourse so
see these people being devasted and who knows I'll go through the same, but
I could'nt help seeing this incident from the religious point of view.

So please, explain why God destroyed this church, or in other words failed to protect it. Let me guess: he wanted to test the believers faith. Nice.

God says: "Here, let me give you a few punches on the nose. I want to believe how strongly you believe in me."

February 3, 2007
9:51 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

Here's what you dont know about your own minds: In a split second, you heave a sigh of relief that this tradegy didnt strike YOU and then you'll continue on to defend religion and justify God's terrorist attacks on his own people.

February 3, 2007
9:57 pm
Avatar
Worried_Dad
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 43
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Q: "Why did God destroy this church in the recent Florida storms?"

A: God did not do that--it was a storm what done it.

February 3, 2007
10:04 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

But God could have controlled the storm. I knew someone would say that so I already mentioned above: "Why did God FAIL to protect this church?"

February 3, 2007
10:18 pm
Avatar
Anonymous
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Tez you said, "If at all possible, I certainly would like to help liberate you less fortunate people who have not as yet shed your shackles of Christian bondage and delusion!!"

Your arrogance in that statement alone says more about you than anything else you have said. Your anger is misdirected. You have every right to choose to believe whatever you want to. Why so defensive? Seeker's words asking what you are so angry about seemed to "trigger" you. Are you SURE about what you believe, or just trying to convince others because of your own unfortunate experience?

I also couldn't help but notice that you ignored to recognize my post where I made a specific reference to the difference in religion vs. relationship. Your anger should be directed at religion and those who shoved it down your throat, not the God of the Universe who made you and loves you deeply. Two different things totally! I'm sorry that someone warped your view of who God really is. Unfortunately, I have seen way too much of that.

Seek - I thought we already got cyber married once in Vegas? And if not, who the heck do these cyber kids belong to? lol

February 3, 2007
10:47 pm
Avatar
Worried_Dad
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 43
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

"But God could have controlled the storm"

That's an assumption about God that might or might nor be true.

"Why did God FAIL to protect this church?"

Perhaps it is not God's job t keep churches from being destroyed by storms.

Or, maybe, that church simply had to be destroyed, for the good of all mankind.

February 3, 2007
10:50 pm
Avatar
Anonymous
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 24, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Tez, looks like we cross-posted. First, let me speak to the words you used to describe my "belief"...idiotic, stupidity, ignorance, low self esteem, lack of confidence, delusional, brainwashed.

You were careful not to call ME those names, yet you are suggesting that because I call myself a Christian, then I fall into this category. Why do you lump us all together? Is that fair? You don't know me, nor do you know my heart. You don't know my past, nor when I learned about God. You are assuming that I was brainwashed as a child. Shame on you for jumping to conclusions. I have made my OWN choices based on my OWN experiences with my Maker. Not the God of the Roman Catholic Church or the Mormon Church, or the Baptist Church. God is the God of people, NOT churches.

The passion with which you are expressing yourself reeks of anger and arrogance. You are condescending of those who do not believe as you do. Why is that? What category should I lump YOU into? Do all athiests resort to condescending remarks like calling people who do not agree with them ignorant (more than once...you must like that word:) I, sir, am FAR from ignorant, brainwashed, stupid, or delusional. And I will not post further with someone who expresses himself/herself that way.

Good luck to you in this world and beyond. If you are trusting in ONLY yourself, you will surely be disappointed.

Plz~

February 4, 2007
1:29 am
Avatar
free
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 433
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

It seems people have three different parts to their being: the physical, the emotional, and the spiritual.

The spiritual part of us seems to need to be fed and nurtured as does the physical and the emotional.

Seems that when we attempt to justify physical and emotional decisions with the spiritual side of us, we get into trouble and conflict.

But an observation.

free

February 4, 2007
1:59 pm
Avatar
truthBtold
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

guest_guest,

I am with you. If we do not want to "blame god" for any of the horrific stuff that happens.......why "credit god" with all of the good?

Makes tons of sense to me - I never quite thought about it that way.

I have a poem I wrote many years ago in which I feel you could appreciate:

HERO

Whilst in the midst.......of sorrow's throes......

To my surprise - - - -
I spy a hero.

At first - - - -
I gasped!!!!

Then, ...........breathed a sigh.

For "my hero", - - -
it appears........
....is - -
non
other......

than
I!!!!!!!!!

🙂

February 4, 2007
2:03 pm
Avatar
bevdee
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 259
Member Since:
September 30, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Truth

These are my clapping/applause icons!

\/ /\ \/ /
I like this poem.

February 4, 2007
2:21 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

hehe icons of clapping, cute.

Thats a great poem, truthB. I'll try to remember it.

Believers are terrified of pride because they fear if a person gains self-autonomy, he'll come to a point where he puts his own judgement above what religion tells him to do. Then he or she will end up in hellfire. Thats what I used to believe in very strongly. If I saw anyone confident and self-satisfied, I thought they'll burn in hellfire. Thats why you'll see the sick codependence very common. I experienced this myself. Interesting. Hammer them and disable them from standing up on their own feet so they remain shackled. Its interesting the different ways this co-dependence comes out.

Here's an Islamic quotation:

Anas ibn Malik reports that the Prophet (saws) said, "In hell the proud will be locked in coffins of fire and kept there forever."

February 4, 2007
2:29 pm
Avatar
bevdee
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 259
Member Since:
September 30, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

G_

Hey!! Thank you for posting these thoughts -
"Believers are terrified of pride because they fear if a person gains self-autonomy, he'll come to a point where he puts his own judgement above what religion tells him to do. Then he or she will end up in hellfire." They THREATEN hellfire, son't they?

This pride thing- I lived that all my life. Whenever I had any type of scholastic accomplishment, my daddy would say, "Now you KNOW who to give the credit to, don't you?"

The last time he said that to me was after I passed a board that I self-studied. No curriculum or guide - I did it all myself, and the first time failure rate was 50%. I passed the first time. This time, when he said that, I snapped and told him I was just gonna take all the credit myself.

You know, for cryin out loud, if that god was helping me study, why didn't it send me some pointers? Sheesh.

February 4, 2007
2:31 pm
Avatar
Loralei
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 29, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Epicurean Paradox

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....em_of_evil

"Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. ... If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. ... If, as they say, God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?" (Epicurus, as quoted in 2000 Years of Disbelief)

February 4, 2007
2:32 pm
Avatar
truthBtold
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

bevdee & guest_guest,

Thank you, Thank you very much.

LOVE the applause icons 😉

By the way, how do I type into line breaks?

I tried it once using either ( ) or [ ] at the beginning and end.....and it erased it all.....also - how do you type bold?

Thanks.

February 4, 2007
3:35 pm
Avatar
guest_guest
Guest
Guests

hi truthB, you can use html tags to create bold stuff, like: "< b > Hello, my bold text < /b >" produces: Hello, my bold text , (with no spaces and quotes).

you can use the Enter key two times and then it'll create a lin break. Or you can use the html tag < br >

Bevdee, yea! They didnt want us to have pride in ourselves because they proabbly didnt have any in themselves. Here's something about religious parents, hehe, enjoy. Its an audio prank call:

prank call

February 4, 2007
3:38 pm
Avatar
truthBtold
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

testing.....

line break here

February 4, 2007
3:39 pm
Avatar
truthBtold
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
February 4, 2007
3:40 pm
Avatar
truthBtold
New Member
Members
Forum Posts: -1
Member Since:
September 27, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
February 4, 2007
3:41 pm
Avatar
bevdee
Member
Members
Forum Posts: 259
Member Since:
September 30, 2010
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

you bold sassy thang

Forum Timezone: UTC -8
Most Users Ever Online: 349
Currently Online:
23
Guest(s)
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
onedaythiswillpass: 1134
zarathustra: 562
StronginHim77: 453
free: 433
2013ways: 431
curious64: 408
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 49
Members: 111002
Moderators: 5
Admins: 3
Forum Stats:
Groups: 8
Forums: 74
Topics: 38567
Posts: 714291
Newest Members:
rydesk, Castano, Yourheart, Aaradhya, tecnhog, Fijirald
Moderators: arochaIB: 1, devadmin: 9, Tincho: 0, Donn Gruta: 0, Germain Palacios: 0
Administrators: admin: 21, ShiningLight: 572, emily430: 29

Copyright © 2020 MH Sub I, LLC. All rights reserved.
Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Cookie Policy | Health Disclaimer | Do Not Sell My Personal Information