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If "God's So Good and God's So Great".......
February 1, 2007
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why is it that a fucking child molester won millions recently in the Florida fucking lottery?

"GOD" is obviously NOT of the logic of us "lowly" neo-cortix inhabitiants he blew his own life into..............

If I got a rib that he thinks he gave to us all - I say - take it fucking back!!!!!! I don't want any part of this crap!!!!!!!

just venting here folks..........

February 1, 2007
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Wow amazing, I guess 'God had plans' for the child molester. Nice!

You know, its pretty stupid. The lottery should exclude criminals. Some stupid world we live in.

February 1, 2007
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Ok, I will give you my perspective on this, but that is all it is is my thoughts.

There is a passage that says... Yea tho I walk thru the valley of death I will fear no evil for you (God) are w/ me. Not taking every pain away, but w/ me.

There is also the poem called Footprints in the Sand where it talks about God carrying you thru the hard times. Not taking them away, but helping you thru.

There is a new song called Stand in the Rain by Superchick.

Also a song called Held by Natalie Grant that talks about the very subject here you are. How it is unfair but the promise was not that he'd carry us thru, it was that we'd be held.

Martina McBride also has a new song I love called Do It Anyway. This song has such a good message. I will print it for you. I would print all three, coz they are all good, but I will refrain. You can look them up on YouTube or music.com of you'd like to see the lyrics or view the songs.

Do It Anyway by Martina McBride.

You can spend your whole life building something from nothing,

One storm can come and blow it all away,
Build it anyway,
You can chase a dream that seems so out of reach,
and you know it might not ever come your way,
Dream it anyway.

God is great, but sometimes life ain’t good,
And when I pray it doesn’t always turn out like I think it should,

But I do it anyway, I do it anyway.

This world’s gone crazy and it’s hard to believe,
that tomorrow will be better than today,
Believe it anyway,
You can love someone with all your heart,
for all the right reasons, and in a moment they can choose to walk away,
Love ‘em anyway.

God is great, but sometimes life ain’t good,
And when I pray it doesn’t always turn out like I think it should,

But I do it anyway, I do it anyway.

You can pour your soul out singing a song you believe in

that tomorrow they’ll forget you ever sang,
Sing it anyway, sing it anyway.

I SING, I DREAM, I LOVE, ANYWAY!!

So, did God buy the ticket for the molester? I'm sure he didn't tilt the wheel or give the guy the lucky numbers in a dream. I agree the world is stupid. There are lots of stupid folks we live w/ on a daily basis. But why blame God for all the termoil we live; all the crime, hurt, murder, deceit. I thought the phrase was "the devil made me do it". Why are we not blaming him??

February 2, 2007
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Mama,

>> But why blame God for all the termoil we live; all the crime, hurt, murder, deceit. << Why credit him then for any good too? God doesnt do anything. He's a puppet. He might as well not be there. Like I say, even if God exists, he has no effect on me or or anyone. Even if he's there, he's practically non-existent for me because he does nothing for you and nothing for me. Whatever happened to you, happened becuase of you or because of something else on THIS Earth - it didnt come from the 'heavens'. And for all, here's the REAL "Foot prints in the sand" story, which you might have read before: ------------ Footprints in the Sand

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the LORD. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, and the other to the LORD.
When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that as the path of his life grew longer, one set of footprints grew fainter until only the other remained. He also noticed that the faint set of footprints vanished when the very highest and happiest times of his life began.
This really bothered him and he questioned the LORD about it: "LORD, you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that the most successful times in my life begin when there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why you would leave me and not share my joy."
But the LORD was silent and unseen.
The man walked back and looked for the LORD. He noticed that, as he approached, the two sets of footprints appeared to merge and become one. He realized that the faint set of footprints had not vanished; it was not there. It was merely an illusion, an echo of the other footprints, visible only to a weak and gullible perception.
And the man knew there was only one set of footprints: His own.

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February 2, 2007
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Sorry, here it is again with the line breaks:

Footprints in the Sand

One night a man had a dream. He dreamed he was walking along the beach with the LORD. Across the sky flashed scenes from his life. For each scene, he noticed two sets of footprints in the sand: one belonging to him, and the other to the LORD.

When the last scene of his life flashed before him, he looked back at the footprints in the sand. He noticed that as the path of his life grew longer, one set of footprints grew fainter until only the other remained. He also noticed that the faint set of footprints vanished when the very highest and happiest times of his life began.

This really bothered him and he questioned the LORD about it: "LORD, you said that once I decided to follow you, you'd walk with me all the way. But I have noticed that the most successful times in my life begin when there is only one set of footprints. I don't understand why you would leave me and not share my joy."

But the LORD was silent and unseen.

The man walked back and looked for the LORD. He noticed that, as he approached, the two sets of footprints appeared to merge and become one. He realized that the faint set of footprints had not vanished; it was not there. It was merely an illusion, an echo of the other footprints, visible only to a weak and gullible perception.

And the man knew there was only one set of footprints: His own.

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February 2, 2007
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Guest:

A new version of an old poem. Just as there are two perceptions to all there are two or more solutions to most things. Why blame God for all the bad or why give him credit for all the good? I guess to each his own. I'm sure satan worshipers would give all the glory to satan and all the bad to him also?? I don't know. Maybe you should ask a few. Point is.... We live ourlives as we see fit; good or bad. Each and every thing we do does have a rippling effect on someone somewhere. So, God is good? Satan is bad? visa versa? Nobody actually knows. I choose to believe as I do. I choose to shout from the mountaintops that my God has brought me thru some really nasty things. Who got me into them was me or even unforeseen circumstances, but to me my God is great even tho life is not good.

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February 2, 2007
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Blaming God is always so easy.

It was the MAN who molested kids, not God.

It was MAN who made money, not God.

It was MAN who made the laws such that a child molester could win the lotter, a lottery that MAN invented.

Not God.

And it's Man who blames Him, kuz we refuse to accept responsibility for our own actions, belief systems, cultures, wars, life.

One would think that by now, we would have figured out that God's not gonna take responsibility for the things we do, and the things we don't, the things we can do, and the things we won't.

'Tis why some things just don't seem to change, me thinks.

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February 2, 2007
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Thank you free

February 2, 2007
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Very well stated Free. Thank you.

February 2, 2007
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Then whats God doing, if he cant even prevent a child molestor from winning the lottery?

What is his role in this world?

February 2, 2007
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guest,

God has given us life and the freedom to live that life as we see fit. As free so eloquently said, if some choose to molest children, that's not God's fault. It's up to us to do what we can to prevent it from happening and to punish it when it does happen.

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February 2, 2007
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Hey Seeker:

Nice to see you. Been a long time. You doin ok?

February 2, 2007
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There once was an omnipotent, omniscient and all loving Supreme Engineer who designed this superb computer controlled robot.

He gave this robot emotions so that feelings would play a powerful part in the decision making of the robot.

He called this capacity of the robot to act and react in unpredictable ways 'free will'.

This supreme Engineer designed a male and female version of this robot in order that there might be robotic self-replications.

Further, he added the capacity for the reproductive process to include mutations in robotic characteristics of all kinds.

Then, being omniscient, this Supreme Engineer, saw that his self-reproducing creation would f..k up big time. He saw the future wars and rapes. He saw all the terrible crimes that would be committed in his name and because of the flaws in the robotic design.

Well ... being omnipotent and omniscient, the Supreme Engineer knew exactly what changes were required in his design to ensure that the spectrum of 'free' choices would not include those that led to emotional robotic suffering. Being all loving, he knew that He couldn't allow the future for his feeling robots to include suffering.

But the Supreme Engineer said: "What the f..k. I'll let the flawed design perpetuate itself anyway. Who cares, I know that I'm all loving, even if the robots suspect that I'm not."

The Supreme Engineer then knowingly and malevolently set the whole process in motion knowing that it would result in a design disaster of mammoth proportions. He had already another Semi-Supreme Engineer that he had created, called Lucifer, in mind to blame anyway.

As time went bye, all these suffering, grovelling, begging robots pleaded with the Supreme Engineer to help them. They worshipped and prayed to their Supreme Designer bargaining for relief. The robots invented Robot religions. They blamed Lucifer - all to no avail.

Then one day this great Supreme Engineer, reproduced a special Robot by divine intervention into a female Robot virgin's what's its.

Then this Supreme Engineer did two things:

1. He held all of his robotic creation responsible for His own deliberately and knowingly f..ked up design procedures.

2. He demanded that the robotic offspring of his divine reproductive intervention be made a sacrificial scapegoat for the duckshoving of his own responsibility for the deliberate Supreme Design stuff up.

3. The Supreme Engineer demanded that this sacrificial scapegoat be nailed up on this tree as the terms for reconciliation between Himself and his own creation.

4. The Supreme Engineer then decreed that only those robots who acknowledged their own flawed condition as being their own fault and who acknowledged the sacrificial scapegoat as their savior would be allowed into robot heaven. The rest would go back into the furnace for smelting down and recycling.

Finally after eons of cognitive mutations and evolutions the robots realized that the whole story about the Supreme Engineer was a furphy, a load of old codswallop.

They reasoned that they could never know who or what initiated the whole process if anything ever did and that Supreme Engineer type religions were robot power games to offset their own fears.

In their wisdom the robots figured out how they could fix their own design flaws so that future mutations would guarantee no malevolent behavior. Eventually they did.

After eons of peace and harmony, a huge FOOT came out of the sky and squashed the lot of them. All was perfectly quiet in the universe after that. 🙂 No footprints in the sand, no nuttin'.

One fairy story is as good as another, I reckon.

February 2, 2007
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Tez,

THAT....was priceless!

ROFL......

February 2, 2007
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Tez,

Interesting story. I get the impression that you do not disbelieve in God, but you are angry with him because you feel he let you down in some way. Just my impression; only you know the truth of the matter.

February 2, 2007
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Normally I do not join in on these types of threads, but the title caught my eye, and I began reading.
Therefore, I cannot remain silent.

If you are not a believer, then what difference does it make? Why do you blame all the evil in the world on someone who you do not believe exists? It's just always been a curious thing to me...are we all just looking for someone or something to blame?

Just for the record, I am a believer! And since I believe in God, I also believe He is the beginning and the end of all things. Do I understand everything that happens in this fallen world? Absolutely NOT! But the beauty of knowing God, is knowing I don't have to have all the answers. It's not MY load to carry, as I am NOT the one in charge. Too many times, we try to wrap our finite minds around an infinite God. Ain't gonna happen, folks. I believe that He is who He says He is, and He can do what He says He can do. And that's all I need to know.

Respectfully submitted, Plz~

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seeker, if God leaves us to do what we want to do and gives us the freedom, again - what is his _observable_ role in this World? Nothing, right? He might as well not be there.

February 2, 2007
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Maybe it's not God's job to arrange justice for child molesters.

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But isnt his job atleast to prevent the child molestor from winning the lottery? If he cant even do that, what CAN he do?

February 2, 2007
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If I know one thing about God it is this: I am not the person who writes his job description or fills out his professional staff performance evaluation form.

February 3, 2007
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I was taught that God will punish you when you die - if you've been a bad person.

ie. child molester, murderer, liar, adulterer, theif... etc etc etc

Either you will be sent to pergatory
or hell... depending on what God decides you deserve... and we are all sinners. 🙁

Pergatory: In Roman Catholic theology, a state or place where the soals of those who have died penitent, are made fit for paradise by expiating venial sins and undergoing any punishment remaining for previously forgiven sins.

So God comes into His own AFTER we die! That's because He loves us, because He really truly DOES love us... and so He will only punish us for our own good, sinners that we all are. The bible told me so.

It isn't that I blame God for anything... anyway 'mine is not to reason why' so how could I even think of blaming Him! It's all or nothing... you're either in or you're out, either right or wrong, good or bad... AND it's up to you.

The good news is that eventually we'll all meet up again in paradise... except for those wicked ones who couldn't appreciate it anyway. Praise the Lord... IF you believe.

On my very first day at school, a nun who was teaching us said to put up our hand if we had a question. 'Unfortunately', I needed to go to the toilet, so I put my hand up and asked ever so politely, if I may please go to the toilet. I was told to wait until the bell went, more than fifteen minutes away. This was a woman who believed in God, and supposedly a good person. Well, I must admit I was already feeling disillusioned and upset. When the bell did go... I ran home, wetting myself before I got there. I'll never forget that day. I laugh about it now, how I could've just sat there in the classroom and blindly believed it ALL... just like I believed they knew the alphabet and how to do all sorts of clever things with numbers. BUT they didn't know much about being good... in my opinion... and at five years of age, my opinions would not be denied... not by me anyway. 😉 And my mother agreed with my opinion because she went to tell them off... so there! 🙂

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There you go, this God business is meant to take you away from you. You couldnt even go to the toilet. Religion says "YOU are less important than me".

February 3, 2007
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I do not subscribe to "religion" but solely focus on my relationship with my Creator. Jesus himself was despised by the "religious" leaders of His day. To me, that is why so many unbelievers have a hard time believing...religion gets in the way.

Trust me, I totally understand your disbelief. Many who boast of "knowing" God, do not know Him at all. But they will have to answer for their own deceit one day.

I'm curious, Guest, as to why you think it is God's "job" to prevent anything? I am the first to admit there is an enormous amount of evil and "unfairness" in this world we live in. God didn't make it that way. It was perfect in the beginning. We screwed it up, yet He loved us anyway. In my book, God is soverign, which to me means He can do what He wants to, when He wants to do it. I trust Him by faith. And the only way I am able to do that, is because I have experienced Him in my life time after time after time, therefore, I know that I know that I know. I do not force MY beliefs down anyone else's throat EVER, but try to live out my life to bring honor and glory to His name and to His higher purposes. And those higher purposes I may never understand in this life. But one day, I will know in full...and have the biggest a-ha moment ever:)

I can't imagine going thru life without Him.

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guest_guest,

{seeker, if God leaves us to do what we want to do and gives us the freedom, again - what is his _observable_ role in this World? Nothing, right? He might as well not be there. }

You have to look to see God's observable role. It's there, but I can't show it to you. Nobody else can, either.

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plz,

That was so eloquently put. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on God -- you express them much better than I can express my own similar thoughts.

Seeker

P.S. I'd ask you to marry me, but I just entered into a (real life) relationship.

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