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I went down to the sea
April 24, 2003
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Namaste, Tez. Namaste, Cici.

Tez, you asked 'Is there Field and non-Field.' Nikka's spirituality must answer 'No.' But must also answer that to me it often seems that there is Field and Non-Field. But that is the result of my human perception, with which I see most everything, myself included as 'other.'

In the few experiences I have had of a type of Unity, ?I experienced? no separation of any kind. Just a Unity. And beyond that expression I cannot go, for to do so is to be totally unable to place the ?event? into words. Of course where was the 'I' in all of that. She wasn't. Pretty simple, actually.

Cici.

I think what you might be running across in yourself is a place that many, if not all, of the great mystical philosophers have reached. The inability of 'knowledge, jnana' to bridge that gap to Unity.

You said, 'It's as if, there's this thing inside me, constantly turning my awareness away, parrying my thrusts, inherent existence - an insistence that 'this MUST be,' it's this clinging.'

Two things strike me from all of my study. One is what i said above about the bridge required for consciousness to pass from separate to Unity by way of Knowledge. There seems to be some requirement there for faith and even devotion, and service. Most have agreed that at some point the three major pathways to Unity merge into one another before one discovers Unity in this life.

The second is that the pathway is never easy for the mistresses and masters of knowledge. Knowledge is as ready a deflector from the path as are the practitioners you spoke of in GL's spirituality thread as leaving you cold. This ego (the one I possess, whatever I is) has great difficulty 'letting go.' I found it excruciatingly difficult to 'let go' of higher order cognition. Always trying to 'figure out' the means and ways from 'here' to 'there.' Never could and never expect to.

But the faith matter wasn't as difficult as I once thought. Especially once my spiritual teacher pointed out to me that I have 'faith' in gravitation. My faith is that this body experiences it all of the time, so it is faith based on experience. "Why not, he said, "make your practice constant, wherever you are? Perhaps then your faith will grow in the fashion that your faith in gravity has grown over the decades."

I was floored at the time. But the practice was the trick that worked for me. Practice all the time. Meditation as one lives. It's like the sage Jnaneshvara said about the enlightened persona "Her meditation is whatever she happens to be doing."

I don't put myself on that level, not by a long shot, but the more I practice the better I get. Hope my experience might ring something for you.

April 25, 2003
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Food for thought. Research can be an excuse to not write the paper. Need more time, more knowledge base....delusion.

April 25, 2003
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cici,

whatever you may think, or whatever anybody might say to you. You are ONE WISE WOMAN!

(((hug))) and thanks for the post, it hit home for me 🙂

April 25, 2003
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i'm with silence on this! silence hand me the popcorn. heh.
gosh, i've become dumb, i cannot understand these deep things anymore.. but the good thing is i dont care, so i'm happy :).

April 25, 2003
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That's two brains running on a flat tire. You guys are too high-octane for us.

April 25, 2003
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Namaste, Cici.

Eve is right, it seems to me, and has seemed so for some time, you are wise, dear one, wise beyond your years. Of course, your wisdom doesn't mean that you cannot find some tracks impassable. But there is a way through the mountains.

In your wisdom I imagine that you will find the problem, in fact, may have already. "Research can be an excuse not to write the paper."

I'm reasonably sure that you have a pen, or keyboard.? *grin*

The philosophy is intense and invigorating. The practice is sublime.

Nikka

April 25, 2003
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Namaste, guest_guest and silence.

You guys are really something/one else! Thanks to you both for being exactly who you both are.

I am wondering if perhaps the two of you 'shallow' (ha) fellows aren't much deeper than you would like the rest of us to believe. In fact, after reading your posts in here for over a year, I am certain that is the game both of you play.

Perhaps a new thread in this 'philosophy pot-luck?' Perhaps an appropriate and creative title would be 'That's two brains running on a flat tire.'

hmmm. Very nice.

Nikka

April 26, 2003
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really, this is how shallow i am: not with you but with most people, i have to read them a couple of times before i understand.. ok so let me get back to reading:
hmmmmm i dont understand after reading 2 more times :/. heh..
actually.. i have mood swings, but often i cannot understand quickly, otherwise in my fast moods i can do.
maybe my english is a little weak, yes.
also, i'd say honestly, i can be deep when i want to or when the topic interests me much, or i have some other propelling factor that forces me to think that way... and when any of these things apply, i guess my brain shuts down and refuses to think.

i'm glad for this, becuase i know i'm listeining to my heart.

April 26, 2003
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so whats up everyone, i'm reading my post now in the morning and thinking "whats that i wrote? bleah" heh.

April 26, 2003
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Not a gmae. A defense mechanism... and also just part of my personality. A low self-esteem combined with a general apathy towards grammatical games.

I've hated poetry my whole life. I hate reading it, I hate interpreting it. When forced to write poetry for my creative writing classes, I write things that suspiciously resemble prose. I'm not a deep thinker when it comes to that sort of stuff. My logic solving skills are more geared towards math.

Therein lies a great problem to my life as well. I hate doing math. I never went further than calculus in college. I could do it easily, but that stuff was just god awful. But at home, I like doing math logic puzzles. It's more fun when you have a real objective.

Likewise, I enjoy creative writing. I'm surprised when I'm in class and the other people read way too deeply into my work. I just write things off the top of my head. Nothing is supposed to have meaning, but sure enough, those people find it.

It's too complicated for me to explain further. I guess that would require me to interpret myself. And I hate interpreting.

April 26, 2003
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Hah, my doctor called me a little old lady the other day. I look abnormally young for my age, since I'm only 5' tall and I have the asian heritage, it leaves me with a sweet, youthful face and a harsh, cynical mouth. It's quite funny, actually, the contrast. But, I've noticed, quite off-putting to most people. Snark.

Life is what happens while I'm sitting here pondering life. har har har....

April 27, 2003
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My beach called. Its whale is missing.

Tomorrow is going to be an excellent day. I'm not going to waste it around here. It'll be raining for the rest of the week, so I'm taking full advantage. Anybody else up for a day off tomorrow?

April 28, 2003
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Silence I would love to play hooky and go down to the beach. Its so nice and refreshing to just hang out and not worry about anything isnt it?

Watching the waves as they dance, coming in to greet you and then running back laughing.........

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April 28, 2003
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The beach was exquisite. shells everywhere. The tide came up pretty high recently so the place was covered. Only a few people were there. Probably locals getting some rays.

I didn't tan today. I walked around the island to see what places were open. Checked out a few of the help wanted signs. Didn't apply anywhere. Didn't hit on any girls. Actually, I didn't see any girls. Didn't hit on any old men either.

Then I went over to my jerk friend's place and we "researched" more porn pics. Research is by far the best part of the business so far.

April 29, 2003
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Silence.

Did your experience lead to any deep feelings of satisfaction and contentment?

April 29, 2003
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It just felt good to be out of the house, and to walk around. Get some sun. Not worry about anything. Ate lunch by myself in a restaurant. Never done that before.

I don't know if you'd call that deep... but it was fairly relaxing on the mind to take a complete day off.

April 30, 2003
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Silence.

I would classify the ability to be completely present to the moment with neither concerns about past nor future events as experiencing life to the fullest. I believe that this requires either the attainment of great wisdom or having experienced almost perfect parenting as a child.

From your description of your experiences, it sounds to me like you were largely present to each moment. But I guess only you can judge that with any degree of certainty.

April 30, 2003
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I wouldn't go making a mountain out of that molehill. "living life to the fullest" for a few hours is one thing. It's another thing entirely to live the majority of your life that way.

May 1, 2003
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Namaste, silence.

You said: " 'Living life to the fullest' for a few hours is one thing. Its another thing entirely to live the majority of your life that way."

I agree. My perceptions seem to say to me that to be able to do it at all, even for a short time (seconds not hours) is very good for most of us. We humans seem to have short recalls and are quite easily distracted, it seems to me.

Does one need to win every lottery to win the lottery?

Nikka

May 1, 2003
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Everytime I read this thread it makes me think of the beach and the waves and just the fresh air. It makes me think of clearing my mind and just being at peace. I can imagine sitting out on the beach and just feeling the breeze on my face, but then my imagination also makes me wish that I were really there.

May 1, 2003
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The beach sucks when it's full of people. I love going to the beach during the winters here, only old people venture out, and wacko northerners who go into the frigid waters without any wherewithall.

Then again, wherever you go, there you are, so it shouldn't matter what the outside looks like, feng shui notwithstanding.

May 1, 2003
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Namaste, tooscared and Cici.

ts, I'm with you on the sea. I love it, but cannot figure which I like best: mountains, sea, woods, savanna, desert or hill country. Hmmmm.

I suppose that wherever I am there I am, Cici. But as for the beach I love the winter beach as well. Almost no people there but the rest is mostly the same as summer.

Nikka

May 7, 2003
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This thread has always caught my eye and I wanted to write on it today. I think I need to go down to the sea at least in my mind to regroup and balance myself. Life gets so crazy with spouses, children, jobs, parents, and everything else that it is easy to get caught up in the stresses and lose yourself. For me it tends to make me feel less and less a part of the world around me. My emotions go numb, my mind only deals with the immediate things going on around me, and I find that there isn't much joy in things around me. I know intellectually that it is all in our perspectives - how we view the world around us. I want to feel joy and sadness along with those around me but I find myself in sort of a numb state where I know what is going on and I pray that nothing bad happens, but I can't worry about it or stress about it. That is either God helping me to not get overly anxious or it is me zoning out of the daily grind of life. Just wanted to get some thoughts down today.

May 9, 2003
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Namaste, tooscared.

Yes, I find when I 'get away' that often what I get away from are my preconceived notions of what I 'must do' or who I 'must be.' I have found that the sea gives me some time just to 'be.' And that recalls me to the fact that the sea is not a special place, the only place I can do that. It reminds me that an inner city street teems with as much possibility and interaction as does the shore.

I just require reminding of that.

Nikka

May 12, 2003
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When I think of the sea I think of the waves that it brings with it as it comes to the shore. Sometimes the waves are high and violent and sometimes they just make a small splash as they come up against the shore. My waves seem to be slowly subsiding a little and not being quite so violent as they crash in on me. I am thankful for these days or times when I am not pounded by their strength. I know that they will come again and they will leave again. Just knowing that they are not going to take me under the current and destroy me helps me to stand up against them and know that I can weather the rough days and be grateful for the calm days.

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