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November 4, 2008
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I am not trying to come across as rude. But I hope that Obama being president isnt about him being African American, but him being the best choice. I know that is part of the history, but that shouldn't be the primary reason to vote someone.

Once again I am not trying to offend anyone. Heck I voted Obama, but because he was the best candidate in my eyes. I am beginning to get worried about what I am hearing on the new right now.

We are Americans. Black, white, purple, Americans. I voted for an American. He may be black, but I voted him because of the issues.

November 5, 2008
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I hear what you're saying Billy but I honestly believe that the American people deserve more credit than that.

And as far as the things you may be hearing right now....in the words of my grandmother...."take it from where it comes".

November 5, 2008
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Right. I am hearing a lot of ignorance about the whole thing. It is history and great that we as a people have moved so far. I mean from slavery to having an African American in the white house. GREAT!

I think there is a point where things need to go more so as an American people then black and white. I know in this election people voted for both because of their race. Whether people wanted McCain because he was white or wanted Obama because he was black.

That is what I think is a silly way to live life and vote for a leader. I know it happens. But instead of in the past where people would pick based on a name or what not, now it is in the news. I listened to a certain radio station and it always talked about Obama being the one to vote for because he was black.

We are all Americans last time I checked. I think we need to move past race. I got into a debate with a family member because they were voting McCain because he was white. It is just ignorant.

November 5, 2008
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I know many people voted for him because of his views on economics. however I think that part of the rejoicing is that black people feel like they are starting a new era.

November 5, 2008
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It is a new era. That is wonderful. But I think this should mean that we focus on being Americans together. It is a wonderful thing that he is going to be President.

I am more on the side of, not lets forget the past, but lets move past it. I know there are people alive who had to deal with slavery still. I think we need to show them that we are United. I know race is big in culture and the melting pot of the USA.

Now is a time where we need to come together as a Nation to regain our composure.

November 5, 2008
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I don't think Obama being elected is about him being black ONLY. Jesse Jackson didn't make it. So it's gotta be more than the fact that he's African American.

The race crap in the news I find disturbing as well. However, this IS historical. Had Hillary been elected it would have been historical also and we'd be hearing about how far women have come since just getting the right to vote what 60 years ago or so? I forget. But you get the point.

I look at it this way: the ice is broken. There have been and are many powerful minorities (as in non-white anglo saxon male) in political offices in our country. Now, the most powerful man (or figurehead or whatevr) is a minority.

My hope is that the "race card" will become obsolete. SHORTLY. Kuz boy, does that push my buttons when people play the race card.

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November 5, 2008
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Thats what I am talking about also Free. I am sick of the race card. I heard it a lot at my job I had. It drove me nuts listening to the garbage all the time. Especially listening to the radio saying that white people are weak. But different subject.

I know he wasnt voted in because he was black. He had some great points and promises. I voted him because I wanted something different.

I hope that one day we dont have to use race as an excuse. Perhaps all of us will become color blind and see only people. It is a big dream sure. But my generation should be able to get past the past.

IT is good to know the past so as to not repeat it. That should be the extent of it being in our future. One needs to keep it in mind, but also needs to move forward.

November 5, 2008
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Now if we can stop playing the 'gender' card as well!

I just hope the best man for the PEOPLE and to help the PEOPLE of this nation won...because we need that...

I don't care if that person is black or white or yellow or red - male or female or whatever.

November 5, 2008
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One of the first commentaries I heard after it was determined Obama won was made by a black commentator. And he was making the point that blacks can no longer use race as an excuse that they can't achieve, and was putting it back on them (the blacks)to set goals and work hard to achieve whatever they want and quit blaming others for the perceived lack of opportunity etc due to their race.

Almost like reverse affirmative action.

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November 5, 2008
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Hm, here's my election rant! I dont expect anyone to read it. I was gonna delete this whole rant because its really random and its not making sense yeaaa, but there I go. I need to put my election rant SOMEwhere.

There's tonnes and tonnes of factors and we can never know how strong each factor played a part in each person's preferences when they voted. Not even the person themselves will ever know what factors played a part for them.

It also depends on who that person is. If it was El Sharpton or some other crazy guy, this whole thing would have been impossible. But Obama went beyond his race because he's a great personality. He's very genuine and most of all, true to himself - thats what I feel. In the end, thats the only thing that matters. McCain was weak. Obama's pick for the chief of staff is awesome! See, weak people would elect weak people. Thats why this MF McCain choose Sarah Palin. For insecurity reasons, he has to choose somoene who's goofier than him or equal to.

Anyway I'm talking real haphazardly, oops. You can see Obama's mental health by looking at his wife and his 10 year old daughter. That daughter has high self-esteem. Thats a good indicator of a great dad and so, a great guy. Everything makes sense for him, even the little kisses he gives his kids, the way he does it. All of it is evaluated sub-conciously.

When you have only one arm (bad example yea, but ok) and you dont worry about and let people feel that its something to notice, then people dont notice. You might have a little blemish on your hand and if it bothers you a lot, people will notice it too.

Race was a factor somehow. In his speech Obama refered to the racial thing in history and how that has been overcome. Oprah Winfrey and Colin Powell both cried. That really means something. So you cant say the whole thing wasnt about race. Even if you did choose him because of his issues, thats fine - it means a lot to african americans, so much so that these very strong people cried. They wouldnt cry if it was a white guy and there wasnt any racial issue involved.

But you know, in the end. Yea as you said, the race thing is now fking OVER. No one can play the race card now, yea.

McCain's wife Cindy is also a weak character. Always smiling, wtf? She looks like Laura Bush who does the same. You dont have to smile when you dont really want to, you know. There again, its all about being true to yourself. A weak wife = a weak guy.

My co worker was right though, McCain was chosen because of party loyalty. Who would elect a MF like Sarah Palin to the white house. Something's wrong with the system if you allow a complete idiot like her to even stand outside the white house, much less enter it and be a VP. Ok fine, she can stand outside, lol.

What a joke. Seroiusly. Then you have Howard Dean, his "dean scream". How do these idiots get so near trying to rule over America, right? Yea it will take many years for the sytem to be ok. Obama was the right guy. He's the type who would have passed the presidency tests in flying colors if one day they ever had them as a requirement.

So here's my list of factors:

- race

- democratic/republican

- better VP candidate (though Biden wasnt perfect too but he was much "safer" and a better choice than Palin as we saw)

- Bush. People hate Bush now so the blue states won in places where red states won before

- Obama has a perfect family, young guy with two daughters. McCain has an old wife whose a weak smiley face. She didnt particpiate as much as Michelle too. She was an ornament, doing or saying nothing of significance. The Sarah Palin MF'ing fans cry "Oh, do you realize half of America is in mourning, because Obama doesnt have any experience?". How can they say that if they have Palin to worry about too.

It just boils down in the end I believe, to who had the stronger more genuine character and better mental health. Someone asked me here how I could tell he has it, well, you have to be able to tell. I'll tell you this easily. If McCain had a stronger character than Obama, he would have won inspite of being a republican, and inspite of any other factors. Its the only deciding factor. Its how confident you feel about yourself and that confidence carries on to everyone in the audience, real and virtual.

So yea again, no more race card for anyone in America or even the whole world for that matter.

November 5, 2008
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Since the gene that causes the dark colouration of skin in humans is dominant it's the most obvious thing.

Obama is Bi-Racial, raised by his Parents until 6, His white American Mother and Black Kenyan Father, then they seperated and his mother remarried an Indonesian man. His Kenyan Father exited his life when he was about 2 when he left for Boston to attend Harvard. He then left for Kenya after graduating when Barack was about 5 or 6. Barack hardly ever saw his father and barely knew him.

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He has a half sister who is Indonesian, and attended school in Indonesia for a while, living there for about 4 years. Imagine being injected into that culture with an Indonesian step father?

( His mother was a brave woman to meld with men of "colour" in the early 60's and move away from her country.)

He then, at 10, was sent to live with his grandparents who were white, in Hawaii, due to the poverty and lack of educational prospects where he was.

His grandmother was one of the first female executive bankers in Hawaii so I'm sure that had huge influence on his life and view on women. His Mother and Grandmother forged the image of strong educated working women in his life who broke many social barriers.

Thing is this man had many cultural influences in his life and i see him as a truly bi-racial multicultural person.

The signifigance of that is outstanding. He is a melding of a few cultures which is truly what North America is about.

He rose above adversity that was aimed his way for being in a bi-racial family, and managed to excel in this unique position and in life.

Calling him African American is ignoring half of his being, which is just as important. His speaches and political social stand are of unity and combined influence and aims at benefitting all parties. He realises all humans face segregation and injustice regardless of skin colour. He represents all of Americans as something unique. He reflects todays cultural realities.

He did seek out his roots after his father died, In Kenya, and met his extended family there.

Calling him "African American" is just convenient due to the colour of his skin but his upbringing was decidedly un African American. He didn't live with a Black family or grow up with that as a major influence until he reached post secondary studies.

That is what makes it a historic event....his bi-racial, multicultural influences and life. He serves everyone!

November 6, 2008
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Ok well yea, he's half african american but you got it right:

>> Thing is this man had many cultural influences in his life and i see him as a truly bi-racial multicultural person. The signifigance of that is outstanding. He is a melding of a few cultures which is truly what North America is about.

And being from the african american heritage is not something to be minimized or ignored. If it didnt matter at all, why would HE talk about the whole slavery thing in his speech, right? He could easily ignore it. Fine, he has one leg in the african american race and the other leg in the white race, and he feels them both. He doesnt ignore the race issue, he embraces both of his legs with all the factors. You wrote real well, its worth repeating:

>> Thing is this man had many cultural influences in his life and i see him as a truly bi-racial multicultural person. The signifigance of that is outstanding. He is a melding of a few cultures which is truly what North America is about.

Sometimes also, people will vote for a race different than their own just for wanting something different. Like I said. there's so many factors that we'll never know how they played together but we know for sure that the better guy won and thats all that matters.

November 6, 2008
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Woohoo, election rants. Here is mine!

I don't think Obama has a great personality. Just because he's a black guy that isn't angry doesn't mean he has a great personality. He appears to me as an empty suit. I think he's very stiff. Also, I think he's a classist, and he gets away with it because he's black. His comment about a pig in lipstick was totally unacceptable. He also said something about guys with NRA cards and pick up trucks that was condescending and classist. Now, mind you, I did not vote for McCain, and I have never, ever voted republican. But I demand better from my representatives. Obama is NOT a great visionary. He might be an okay president, I don't know. But he is definitely NOT someone willing to take risks, with a vision for the country, etc. He's a man with a vision of himself-- behind the desk. Hilary Clinton is a visionary. She would have changed the country by law. Not by being a woman.

I think McCain is a much more likeable guy. He is a really GOOD dude-- war hero, etc. I didn't vote for him. I didn't want him to be president, and I also never vote for charisma or personality.

For me, there were 2 main issues in this election. 1.End the war and improve our relationships with the rest of the world and 2. Finally act like a first world country and acknowledge healthcare as a right and not a privilege. Then the housing market crazy shit happened, which I only half understand, and the more I learn, the less I think a president can do a damn thing about it. So I really kept on the healthcare thing and this is what I saw.

When Obama and Hilary were duking it out, Obama talked a lot about healthcare, because Hilary was talking a lot about healthcare. In the nineties, when Bill Clinton was pres, she helped him craft this law that would create universal healthcare for us. But it got shot down, twice! Now THAT would have made history. So Hilary's thing was to finally make this happen and she talked a lot about it. Therefore, Obama, to seem better than her, talked about his "plan" which would make healthcare "Affordable" but not mandatory. He acted like he ALSO had a great plan for the country's healthcare crisis. But as soon as Hilary dropped out, he stopped talking about it. He started bragging about how he fought to take people off welfare and put them to work.

Case in point: Obama does not give a shit about healthcare or anything else. He wanted to win. He was competing with Hillary, so he talked about healthcare to seem better than her. Once that was done, he focused on the economy and the war to seem better than McCain, and also to look more moderate to persuade Republicans to his side. He was a liberal when it was convenient, a moderate when it was convenient. This is not a man with a vision. This is not a man willing to go against the grain, take risks. make changes. His blackness is not going to stop the war, protect us from bloodsucking insurance companies, foreclosures on our houses, unemployment, and increasing hostility from the rest of the world.

I voted for the socialist party. I don't always do that, but I refuse to choose the lesser of two evils, so I do it sometimes. I hope I'm wrong about Obama! Bill Clinton was a better president than I ever thought he would be. He surprised me. I hope Obama does the same. I hope he's not really an empty suit and that he really isn't the classist monster he seems to be. I hope he wants to bring the troops home, even if they are NRA-cardholding-pick-up-truck-driving-joe-the-plumbers. But these are my thoughts anyway.

Election rant concluded.

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Well, gotta disagree with your evaluation of Hillary Clinton. She "rode" on her husband's fame and achievements. What did she achieve on her own? Nothing, right? Plus she's a weak personality. You just have to be able to tell.

I dont have any comments about your allegation of Obama being a classist etc. To me, it doesnt matter. Its not that serious.

November 6, 2008
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I just hope that we can get past race because of this new change. I am getting tired of affirmative action. Since it is doing the same thing as it is trying to protect.

November 6, 2008
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I like the idea of the racial card being obsolete.

November 6, 2008
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It needs to be. I am sorry for what has happened in the past, but it was the past. I think we should focus on the future. Watching the news where I lived was crazy. All about black killing black as in detroit. I doubt their ancestors fought for that.

Not trying to offend anyone but just about every day on the news there is another killing in detroit with gun play.

November 6, 2008
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I always wondered about it personally. I mean to fight so hard and to have a whole system to get to freedom for the future. A lot of them knew they would be killed or perhaps not make it. They still did it, why? My guess is to make it better for those who followed.

Then you have people now who are killing eachother, wearing different colors and killing eachother or using a word that was once used to knock down their ancestors.

November 6, 2008
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Well I for one am not sorry for what happened in the past. I had nothing to do with it. Being white does not make me guilty. Nor should it make me feel shameful. And it doesn't.

Being black does not make a person a victim either.

All the victims of slavery are dead.

As are the people who victimized them.

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November 6, 2008
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It makes you think doesn't it. I mean their ancestors gave their lives for a cause they believed in and now young people are getting killed over things like walking on the wrong street and wearing the wrong colors.

November 6, 2008
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I agree with you free.

November 6, 2008
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Exactly. It is a shame.

I think the rap lyrics are especially a smack in the face. Dont get me wrong some rap is ok. But smack talking about killing people and abusing women.

November 6, 2008
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I wish I could have a conversation with Harriet Tubman or MLK about what a race has become.

November 6, 2008
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It would be interesting. If I remember right, MLK's dream was all about everyone sitting down together as equals. no one with a privileged backpack or a angry racial chip on their shoulder.

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Right. Now maybe Obama will kind of chill it out some. We can hope I guess.

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