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How my sleep suffers from sinus issues - Importance of sleep
August 31, 2010
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Nettie pots don't reach deep enough, like you say, BUT ALSO,
they are only meant to irrigate the snot (for lack of better term)
out of there - if your sinus tissue is inflammed, it may not help,
other than temporarily sooth them with the warmth. The saline may
help marginally on the inflammation, but if the inflammation is in
the tissues - it may not.

The sinuses can be
inflammed without any kind of drip or fluid in there - which is why
the steroid is more helpful than an anti-histamine (which reduces
the snot). Anti-histamines DO reduce inflammation, by blocking the
histamine reaction, but are more for drying things out - where a
steriod will reduce the inflammation of the tissues in and around
the sinuses - which may be angrily inflammed for going so long
without treatment.

As far as
misdiagnosis - it happens frequently - more so when there is
another over-riding/pressing matter that is prevalent - like
stress.

IE - I had many
docs ready to give me anti-depressant for my mood swings and
irritability....one doc said "no meds at this time - I prescribe
sleep - you aren't depressed, you are sleep deprived"....he was the
oNLY doc to say that.

Another sort of
related situation - my car is making a horrid noise - take it in
and they find my struts are destroyed and need to be fully
replaced, along with all the stuff around them - I get it fixed and
the noise remains. Did they misdiagnose me??? NO - the struts DID
need replacing and SOME noises were reduced - but not the noise I
was looking to fix.

Sometimes one
symptom masks as another.

My doctor back
home was one of the leading diagnosticians in the country - LOVED
HIM and miss him - but yet even HE diagnosed me as depressed, not
sleep deprived.

it
happens.

Had you complained
of sinus issues, maybe they may have investigated, but if stress
and depression and sleep deprivation are the only things - then
they are going to focus on reducing the stress that is causing the
depression and sleep deprivation.

Another key - if
you continued on with same person for three years, without saying
"hey, why isn't this working?" - you need to advocate for
yourself....if I was trying a therapy for that long, i would have
to wonder why I wasn't getting better...and look for other
options.

August 31, 2010
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Rising,

No, he did not
misdiagnose your car, but he did miss diagnosing the sound you took
it in for. Was the mechanic able to find the noise you took it in
for - after he got paid for removing the strut, etc. noise and
replacing it with new stuff? Did he check with you before repairing
your struts? Or did you leave the garage and notice that despite
the work on the struts the noise remained?

August 31, 2010
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Bevdee, I mailed the letter to the sleep doctor. Hopefully now
he will know for future patients.

hi
Rising

>> they are
only meant to irrigate the snot

Thats it yes and
that irrigation effect, for me at least vanishes very soon in a few
hours. Most nights it doesn't make a difference. Even steam
inhalation is temporary for me. I believe though that steam
inhalation could work if mixed with other things and once I have
everything fixed. Honestly I was all OK 5 years ago. I don't know
what happened that caused this. Maybe a leftover issue from a flu
or cold.

I know I'm sleep
deprived and not depressed because I have all the symptoms of
chronic sinusitis. Simple depression would not cause stuff like:
post-nasal drainage, constant pressure around the face and inside,
all over face, constant nasal congestion, waking up at night,
trying to breath, finding one side of my nose totally blocked and
other working partially, dry mouth, a pretty big polyp (and
possibly others but I know of only one) ..... ah, what else. Oh,
two CT scans, hey, and reports from the medical technicians and
doctor diagnosis.

So its not just
depression for me. I will know after I get fixed. Maybe I'll still
be a bit depressed or anxious who knows, I'll have to see. I have
to get my energy level back first.

>> Had you
complained of sinus issues, maybe they may have investigated, but
if stress and depression and sleep deprivation are the only things
- then they are going to focus on reducing the stress that is
causing the depression and sleep deprivation.

4 years ago I had
no idea what sinuses are but now I know more. I would have thought
the sleep doctor would know at least that my sleep problems were
being caused by nasal issues. I went to that doctor pretty soon, a
year after I started having problems. If he had told me what I need
to do, I might have done something sooner. But I did keep going to
doctors (ENT, allergy).

>> Another
key - if you continued on with same person for three years, without
saying "hey, why isn't this working?" - you need to advocate for
yourself....if I was trying a therapy for that long, i would have
to wonder why I wasn't getting better...and look for other
options.

Yea, it took me a
while. Actually I got the first CT scan three years ago and the
local doctor recommended surgery. I think at the time I didnt
realize how seriously this was affecting my sleep. Plus I didnt
trust the doctor since he used old methods (packing) in the
surgery. Now I'm in the right place or at least I think so, because
I'm choosing the best ent in the nation. They dont use packing and
they even publish research on sinus issues. So its a safe bet and
the best I can do.

I wish I had known
all this sooner and I'd definitely have gone then. I didnt trust
the doctors, I wanted to find the best doctor, I was reading about
surgery and whether it helped people or not. A lot of people
complained that they went through multiple surgeries and it alarmed
me. I had tried steam inhalation with eucalyptus oil for a while
but I've seen its temporary.

Oh I also had an
abscess tooth for a couple of years and I didnt know what I had.
Its possible that that started it or added to it. I've read about
the connection on wikipedia.

I know surgery is
not a magical fix. They'll try me on meds for a month and if that
doesnt help then they'll go for surgery. I will try anything now
that can help.

August 31, 2010
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LMFAO
@ using a vibrator to clear out your sinus cavities!!! I'm totally
gonna try that. I also heard it works for endometriosis!

Andii... I have
messed up eustatian tubes! I want that surgery! I have ear
infections at least every 2-3 months! How do I get that "roto-root"
surgery???

SUP BevDee, G-G,
and MaStrong!? Been awhile!

August 31, 2010
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G_

Reading the thing
about the vibrator on the sinuses reminded me of reflexology. Check
this out -

http://www.reflexologyrambling.....ology.html

You'll have to
look at the link, cause there's a diagram on it that. I used to run
a vibrator over my feet.

September 1, 2010
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free2choose-

Talk to an Ear
Nose and Throat Specialist. the one I had put tubes in my ears and
holes in my sinuses. I'm not sure of the details though, like where
he put the holes. It's my understanding that they're extra drainage
holes.

good luck with
that- ear infections hurt!

andii

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Thnx
Andii!

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hi
Bevdee, I saw that link now. Its similiar to Chinese-needle-poking,
or Accupuncture.

Accup. is a
placebo. Tonnes of studies have confirmed it. I think this one is
also placebo.

There ya go,
Wikipedia says: "Reflexology travelled across India, Japan, and
China. Traditional East Asian foot reflexology is called Zoku Shin
Do in Japanese. This is the foot portion of the Japanese massage
technique. The roots of Zoku Shin Do go back to China over 5000
years ago."

So its from China
again.

Criticsm
says:

Reflexology's
claim to manipulate energy (Qi) has been highly controversial, as
there is no scientific evidence for the existence of life energy
(Qi), 'energy balance', 'crystalline structures,' or 'pathways' in
the body.[15]

So yea, this is
not real. Its placebo.

There's something
that directly vibrates the lungs or the breathing passages but its
something else and that helps patients because it shakes loose
stuff in the lungs.
link

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So I
was talking to some hippie on the internet who told me he believed
in acupuncture.

I gave him links
to seven studies (only got to the 2nd page of Google), that proved
that sham acupuncture (poking needles in random or wrong places,
not poking them at all or poking them not deep enough) has the SAME
effect as "real" acupuncture.

That alone proves
that acupuncture is fake. They said the sham acc. is still better
than doing nothing. So are fake pain pills. A lot of professionals
have said its placebo.

September 1, 2010
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Welp,
you know...(to be honest with you) much stuff in my life had pretty
much just zoomed right over my head.

Perhaps ignorance
really IS bliss in this particular regard...I dunno.

I Do know that
there was a coupon for a free massage from a new clinic that was
opening up in my neighborhood and I was well on my way to cash in
on it.

Thing is, when I
arrived, the massage therapist had a family emergency....and so,
instead I was offered a free reflexology (massage of the feet)
instead.

Shoot, what did I
have to lose? So, I said, well - OK.

Why
not?

The lady massaged
my feet. Put nice lotion on them and got me all relaxed.

I had no
pre-concieved notions about any of this - I mean, it was free,
afterall.

Thing is....as she
massaged my feet and I felt more and more relaxed to talk about
well, just about anything going on in my life that came to
mind......all of a sudden...towards the end of the session....I
swear.....she did this weird kind of swirling motion on the souls
of me feet.........and I SWEAR.....it really did feel as if some
kind of negative energy or something or other just all of a sudden
just left my body!

I was not
expecting this.

It was so profound
and intense that I ended up just crying like a baby as I felt this
old, stagnant energy which had been (evidently) trapped inside of
me all of a sudden just leave my body.

Like....POOF.
Gone.

I can't explain
it.

I just know that
it was very real for me and left me feeling heaps better than when
I had gone in there.....much to my pleasant surprise.

So...you know -
for what its worth!

tBt

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It's
worth alot.

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It
was a really nice foot massage, you felt cared for, you felt really
relaxed. These people are trained to relax their
customers.

When I go to get a
haircut and if I close my eyes and the cutter is moving on my head,
it feels SOO good and relaxing. Imagine if I got an actual massage
on my back or even feet, it would feel great.

The reflexology is
some kind of focused massage, its not "all over". Its just
that.

Its a good idea to
get a massage every now and then, I wish I did it. But its just
that, a massage. If you get it once a week you'll get used to
it.

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G_,

Wikipedia is not
the be all and end all. Why not try it? It's not free- a foot
massage costs about $25. If it doesn't help your sinus congestion,
at least you will have felt pampered and tended to for a few
minutes.

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AND........... you wouldn't have to bend over to get lotion on
your feet!!!

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Yea I
should get massages, I've told myself that many times. hmm. Yea.
Once a month is a good idea.

Yea OK dropping
lotion on my feet. Thankss for making fun of the sloppy way I,
nevermind hmm.

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Anyway, I'm going to the doctor in a week or so, so hopefully
that will work out. I cant wait. I've waited 4 years but I cant
wait a few more days.

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