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How Much Visual and Auditory Stimulation is Too Much?
October 1, 2003
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well written tez! looking at things the way you do has to be from a higher level of thought. the trouble with the powers that be, they have no time to understand that the level at which they comprehend is insufficient to look at things the way we hope. i wish there was some form of compulsory programme that leaders must first have to qualify. right now it is mostly through influence.
when you look at buddha's wisdom it is just honesty and he goes only to the final conclusion of things. he practised honesty like a scientist exploring the atom.
a politician looks at a rock and says 'there is a rock', but buddha says 'there is nothing but magnetism put together which looks like a rock from this distance'
realty has several levels i guess! hence the desperation of the world and mankind.

October 3, 2003
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Chocluv,

You said: "a politician looks at a rock and says 'there is a rock',".

After having said that, the typical politician then thinks: How can I exploit that rock to my own political advantage? He suffers from acute 'self' centredness. Firstly he unequivocally believes in the existence of his independently existing 'selfhood'. And secondly he is fully focussed upon manipulating all that he perceives as other than himself to further the physical and psychological(ego) preservation of this 'self'.

The Buddha would say: The rock is not a rock and it is not not a rock. All rocks are not rocks and that is what is called rocks.

The Buddha would further say that all words are delusive and like fingers pointing to the moon are not to be mistaken for the moon, words are not to be mistaken for the 'thing'.

Yet we perceive artificial boundaries around 'things' in our minds and then mistake our perceptions of that contained within these boundaries as entities that somehow have an existence independent of the rest of the universe. Like the typical politician, it is when we extrapolate this behavior to human beings including ourselves and artificially endowering such perceptions with 'selfhood' that we get into trouble.

In the Diamond Sutra, the Buddha said,"Subhuti, those sentient beings are not sentient beings, and they are not not sentient beings. And why is this? Subhuti, the Tathagata has said that all sentient beings are not sentient beings and this is what is called sentient beings."

On the surface this appears to be double speak. But at one very superficial level the Buddha is saying that sentient beings exist but not as our deluded preconditioned minds delineate and objectify them. At a deeper level he is challenging us to 'let go' of our sense organ based precondition perceptions and conceptions. He is challenging us to explode the artificial boundaries of consciousness that constrain us to our 'own little world' - boundaries that we and we alone maintain! He is challenging us to jump over the preconditioned fences of the mind and, without the severely modifying and constraining preconceptions, to 'see' what 'really' is.

October 3, 2003
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..to "think" outside the box and to fight the urge to bring the sides up at any given time....to have a seat within the limitless.

Preoccupation with self to me, is simply implosion. Which is entirely contradictory to all life that is. Life...is constantly exploding, blowing the sides off boxes, moving in many different directions at once and not stopping to go back and protect the shell from whence it came and crawl back into it and horde things as if - to "be" and to become is just too scary.

October 3, 2003
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Ladeska.

Very succinctly put. In a nutshell, that is the essence of what I tried to say. I think that the whole mental construct that we call the ego, is based upon our preoccupation with selfhood. The ego constrains 'us' to 'me'.

October 3, 2003
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It's kinda like - can we let the goo out of the center of the candy already because it's really great stuff and doesn't need a shell around it at all!!!

October 4, 2003
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Is there any differentiation between the goo and us? If so where is that differentiation after we eat the goo?

October 5, 2003
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We're supposed to EAT the goo! I didn't KNOW????

October 5, 2003
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You didn't know?

"If one can really come to that state of saying, 'I do not know,' it indicates an extraordinary sense of humility; there is no arrogance of knowledge; there is no self-assertive answer to make an impression. When you can actually say, 'I do not know,' which very few are capable of saying, then in that state all fear ceases because all sense of recognition, the search into memory, has come to an end; there is no longer inquiry into the field of the known. Then comes the extraordinary thing. If you have so far followed what I am talking about, not just verbally, but if you are actually experiencing it, you will find that when you can say, 'I do not know,' all conditioning has stopped. And what then is the state of the mind? ... " - J. Krishnamurti

October 5, 2003
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Ah yes.........(smile) The state of "I don't know" IS the box with no sides....

October 6, 2003
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Egg-Zackly. 🙂

October 7, 2003
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Hey folks,

I like your box-whith-no-sides-eat-the-goo-I-don't-know type of mental stimulation here. A lot.

Thanks

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