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History of humans - focus on women
September 6, 2003
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I want to know how women were treated in history, are there any good sources for this? (like a short summarized story).

an article on the web says:
>> We are always striving for equality between the sexes. For many years women were seen as being less than men, and inferior to them. < < i want to learn about women so lets look into the history of women.. AND men to understand the situation today. anyone else also interested, i guess many would be?

September 6, 2003
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Here's some links that might be interesting for you. Sorry they aren't in the "click and go" format, so just copy and paste into the web address bar and away you go. I forgot the equation..

http://www.lothene.demon.co.uk.....women.html

http://www.stanford.edu/~zozo/.....netic.html

September 8, 2003
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thanks, i read that.

September 8, 2003
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You're welcome!!

September 10, 2003
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Male Fantasies, Volume 1: Women, Floods, Bodies, History (Theory and History of Literature, Volume 22)
by Klaus Theweleit, Chris Turner (Translator), Barbara Ehrenreich (Designer)

This book doesn't really go back into history for a long time, but it made me understand a lot of things that kept bothering and rubbing me in the man/woman-relationship.

September 10, 2003
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Its a lot of German history, but I think that most of it might be true for other people as well, perhaps more subtle, and less brutal in the consequences....

September 10, 2003
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Its a lot of German history, but I think that most of it might be true for other people as well, perhaps more subtle, and less brutal in the consequences....

September 10, 2003
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ladeska, evaluation of the links

the standford one basically said the differences are because of culture. in taiwan they found out men are more verbal, while here they find women are more.
women become "womenly" as they grow up and are taught somethings are feminine.. and others are not.
if women are told a certain behavior is masculine, they're less likely to choose it in a survey. if they're not told anything, the results even out.
the same for men!

the other link talked about some women warriors in history.. now these things are like exceptions. i can make out an article saying that [people with certain characteric] were also famous warriors etc... it doesnt prove much.

basically, i wanted to study society over the past years, since the mankind began, even in animals.. apes, how things are in society.

in 1960's there was the movement of womens rights, if i'm correct. what was the position of women's rights throughout history, what was their status in society, were they happy? oppressed? discriminated against for things that werent under their control? etc.

it could be a good long article.. i couldnt find anytihng on the web yet, but i dont know how to find it.

September 13, 2003
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interesting story from Madonna:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBI.....index.html

she's not a bad person, eh? human like us.

September 14, 2003
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http://www.equalrightsamendmen.....rg/era.htm

Hi guest_guest,
Here is a web site on the history of human rights movement....known as the ERA.

Maybe this will help you in your research.

Just copy and paste 🙂

September 19, 2003
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ah, so women *were* oppressed.. they couldnt vote, or even keep their own wages.

see now.. the fact that women were oppressed in history means that even today the effects could be having ripples.. and perhaps women havent completely recovered from the abuse they had in history.
this is true for any person.. or race (the problem of slavery). i feel slavery has its effects even today.. and people whose ancestors were slaves still have to recover a lot from the bad effects of slavery.. and i fully symphathize with them.

comments please?

September 19, 2003
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Regarding Madonna...do you know anything about her newest venture into writing children's books?

September 20, 2003
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i have no idea. hah.. what kind of book would that be?

September 20, 2003
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Well.......it's out now in oh, something like 36 different languages. Funny how she can get her books out on the shelf like that and others get kicked back to the curb. I'm sure there are quite a few really good children's books that will never make it your back alley shop and this crap gets mass exposure.

But they are children's books and of a so-called spiritual nature, since she is now officialy jewish, and is an expert on the Kabala, she's passing on her expertise of motherhood and God to children. I don't know, something about that must makes me gag.

Rather scary actually. And quite a few jewish people are up in arms because many believe that you have to be past 40 and a jew - to even begin to understand the Kabala.

But once again, here she goes, speaking out her butt, going overboard with whatever and it gets published and presented as the gospel. Oh well. Our little kings and queens of Hollywierd are the authority on life, so we bow at their throne of knowledge and spiritual enlightenment.

September 21, 2003
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:/ then just probably, she's trying to make money.

i read something about salma hayek recently, she said she wants a man whos got "more balls than" her. she said men are out of touch with their feelings and stuff.
interesting stuff, i'll post the link when i find it.

September 22, 2003
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here's the one:
http://www.megastar.co.uk/ents.....U5MDI.html

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"My mum's always asking me: "When will you finally get married?" And I always say: "When I find a man who has more balls than me," said Hayek.

The actress, who recently split from The Italian Job star Edward Norton, says she has come close to marriage four times, but added: "What worries me the most is that most men are so weak.

Because of that they act like they don't care and like machos - because they are too fragile inside.

"They're scared of confrontation and afraid of so many things. And because of this they build up their life so they have to deal with their feelings as little as possible."

Hayek may have found her match in hunky Hulk actor Josh Lucas, as long as he's in touch with his feminine side.

"I find feminine men unbelievably sexy. But most men are completely incapable of getting in touch with their feminine side. They don't have the courage to confront this part of their soul.

"What am I supposed to talk about with a man who doesn't know what it's like to be a woman?"

And your task for today gentlemen; take a bath, shave your legs, have a baby and learn how to load the washing machine while cooking for eight.

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September 23, 2003
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Funny, I just read articles on both of those women tonight regarding these very issues.

Now, I did not watch the VMA awards in which Madonna kissed Britney and Christina. But, I did look through an US magazine, and it looks like at the beginning of the performance, she had her little girl go down the stage as the flower girl. Is that right? Did any of you see that?

Anyway, she then goes into this whole thing about how she will never let her daughter know about the type of concerts and such that she gave until she is much older to understand. Well, on the surface it sounds good... but, then if she had the child up there on stage for that performance, uh... didn't she just contradict herself?

I also get a kick out of the fact that she just loves England will never come back to the US to live again. Yet, when she went into labor with her son, she had a team of Dr.'s on the Concorde with her stopping labor until she was able to land in the U.S. so he was born here... meanwhile she is still speaking with her faux British accent.

Regarding Salma, I used to really like her. However, it seems like every interview she gives, I like her less and less.

I don't know, just my thoughts. It's late and I can't sleep, so I'm probably just rambling!

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September 23, 2003
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no.. i didnt see the madonna thing.
about what you said of liking Salma less and less:

Can anyone challenge the hypothesis that the likeability of a person is directly and solely related to the amount of self-respect they have for themselves?

Is it possible for a person to be very likeable, but who doesnt have a healthy amount of self-respect?

September 26, 2003
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I think so. Look back to high school to that uber-popular girl who we all had in our class -- knowing what we know now, she probably was very insecure and needed the constant attention from her "flock" because she really didn't like herself very much. Yet, everyone loved her.....?

September 26, 2003
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hmm.. ok.. what about exaples for men. i guess the same kind of "popular" man

October 1, 2003
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hm, i agree with you about the blonde's insecurity. it applies to all of mankind. whether blonde,tall, short,handsome or the not so pretty. i guess it has something to do with nature's immediate flaws. as if people work in groups it would ensure their success.it's the survival of the fittest thing. these days , i look back and just laugh it off; as we only occupy such a small space in the time of evolution .

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about this Britney stalker guy (the news came that Britney won the case), the japanese businessman who said he loved Britney so much. can you imagine how happy he would have been, if she just had sex with him once? why cant things be like this? [answer: then every stalker would ask for sex. well, no, this is probably someone who loves her the most]. this world is not right. society pressures, expectations and norms have twisted everyone out of common sense.

lets see, any interesting comments? i dont hesitate to speak my mind and often i seek for anything sensible. i refute myself many times as well and its fun, so lets go. bring it on.

October 17, 2003
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Well, she didn't want to have sex with him. Why should she have to have sex with him just because he wants to? It's a 2 way street, right? I mean, sheesh, reverse the roles... you think that if I started stalking David Duchovny he would sleep with me if I asked?

Hm... now there's a thought...

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if you asked, and if he knew how happy it would make you and how little time and effort it would cost on his part, and he let you have sex with him, wouldnt that be nice?
why would he do so? becuase it would make you very happy, its like philanthropy, service to people.

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Now there's a thought... sex in the name of charity!

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