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Historic/Monumental Night for US Democrats....
September 4, 2008
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she didn't really impress ME. I just think that as a speaker she impressed many people.

I don't like her lack of experience. I do like her thoughts on isolationism and drilling for oil on our own land. We don't do so primarily for the reason that the U.S. behaves in a manner that reflects a belief in supporting the economies of other nations. Kuz supposedly isolationism doesn't work. so by supporting the middle east economically, by supporting Japan economically, and TRYING to support China economically, supposedly we maintain our high "ladder" position in relation to other countries.

But it's not the 1940's anymore. Nobody's gonna invade or nuke us. So I tend to lean towards isolationism.

And this is what I liked about Palin.

I don't know enough about her yet to say I like her. Many issues have to be considered before choosing to "like" a politician.

I just liked her isolationist approach.

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September 4, 2008
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We cross posted.

"I know you'd say that Free. Obama being inexperienced is not an excuse for McCain to go get someone else inexperienced too. "

I never said it was guest. And I'm not "defending" anybody.

I'm trying to have a conversation about them.

I haven't made up my mind yet.

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September 4, 2008
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The Republicans always have to try to bring in "diversity" guest kuz they primarily represent upper-middle to upper class people, who tend to be majority-wise, white.

I ignore diversity comments from any political candidate. I don't care if people are neon-polka-dotted hermaphrodites, I just care about their issues.

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September 4, 2008
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I said I liked Palin because I was a little apprehensive about her after hearing the rumors but knowing nothing about her.

I was impressed with her intelligence, her wit, her knowledge, her strength, her boldness. I think she came on strong, was not meek and ladylike.

I didn't say I'd vote for her. I may or may not, I'd prefer to have some more choices since Obama doesn't do it for me either.

I am pro choice, she is not, for one thing. And I need to hear more on specific plans on many issues which they haven't presented. Maybe tonight.

One thing for sure though, tbt, I don't care whether Obama is half black or not. I think LOTS of people are leaning towards him because he is. So what dif would it make if people were leaning towards Palin since she's a woman? Same thing right? Isn't THAT pretty spectacular too?

September 4, 2008
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Nothing wrong in that - in my book.

I just try real hard NOT to be SWAYED by order of slick advertisment/bait and possible switch maneauvers.

Politics is NOT what it used to be.

Not by ANY STRETCH of the imagination.

Seems to me that it all might boil down to 5-10-20-30 second sound bites.

Like we are just a society that can only base our opinions and (votes) on such fast tracks.

It IS a fast society - no doubt about that!

We see and interpret images much faster than our older counterparts.

Hence, we tend to come to some kind of conclusions about these "fast" images.

We don't have time to read the facts - all we have time for is slick sound bites.

THAT'S OUR SOURCE of information.

so sad. so true;-(

In a way - I am kind of pissed off - in another way - I'm thinking - well - you get what you bargain for!

Don't have time to really examine the candidates?

Think that the candidates are nothing more than some other advertisement for some trendy pair of shoes someone thinks you ought to be wearing - then by all means - vote your quick, nonsensical consious and just hope to gosh that you are "in: with the "in crowd" - you know?

I talk to some young people about politics and sadly - they just don't have a clue!!!!!!!!

They just want to be "in."

It really IS a sad state.

A kind of "fantasy land."

What kind of generation IS THIS??????????

I see and talk to some teenagers nowdays and they have no respect for the poilitical process.

Have no clue - really!

They live in a fantasy world of celebrities and think, I suspect, that their own world will "magically" turn out to be something akin to their celebrity co-stars with nary an ounce of effort brought upon thru their own effort.

That is will just suddendly and magically......"just appear!"

To me - it's really scary.

Confusing reality with fantasy.

"They" - I am afraid are in for a real RUDE awakening.

IMO.

September 4, 2008
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Well, I agree with you there, TBT.

Its a fast food society, drive thru and pick it up, gotta be quick.

I've been watching CNN constantly the last few days, listening to as many opinions as I can, since I am uncomfortable with all the candidates. I want to weigh the issues, I want them to TALK ABOUT the issues.

And even if they talk about the issues, doesn't necessarily mean thats what will happen. they can promise the world, doesn't mean they're going to deliver.

Look at Arnold S, and CA- he's in quite a pickle. We had high hopes, and we're in sad shape here too.

So who to believe, if they even choose to discuss it?

September 4, 2008
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You know what I'm thinking now. Its all useless. These people (both sides), all they do is make speeches about what they'll do and this and that. Everything is just talk and we just rally behind these guys for these reasons.

However... its the mental health which is or should be the ultimate determining factor.

September 5, 2008
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So who do you think is the most mentally healthy, guest_guest?

September 5, 2008
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Obama.. yea.

September 5, 2008
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Free, you and Worried Dad are really long lost twins. No wonder you like each other.

First you say Palin was impressive. Then you say you werent impressed by her.

Well, Osama Bin Laden for that matter is impressive too (for extremist muslims).

Anywa ok then, so both of you are undecided, thats ok. I thought you were voting for her.

SD, yea, she couldnt be meek and lady like. She's a VP candidate, she's gotta be "tough". Even then she was close to crying constantly in that whole video. To me thats not strength, its unstability.

I see what you mean though by saying you're not comfy with any one. We cant tell what these guys will do when they're in office.

So Arnold in California did nothing? I watch some of his prank calls on youtube... too funny. Wanna hear one?

September 5, 2008
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yeah guest i DO like wd but we've gone our rounds believe me on that one.

guest, Palin is an impressive speaker- she captures an audience. I think she captured people when she spoke. That's what I mean by saying she's impressive. i think she impresses people. So does Obama- i really like listening to his speeches. It's like the professor who doesn't put you to sleep. Some people can speak, some can't. Obama and Palin AND Hillary Clinton can speak. McCain has some work to do.

But ME being impressed? That would take listening to somebody like Martin Luther King Jr. He impresses me. Not because of HOW he speaks but because of the CONTENT of his speeches.

I don't mean to be mystical or avoidant. I see a clear distinction between an impressive speaker and a speaker who impresses ME.

I guess I just didn't make myself clear.

But I hope I have now.

What's with Osama Bin Laden being impressive? C'mon now. Ya can't attack a nation and then woo it's people. Didn't work in Vietnam, ain't working in Iraq, and obviously ain't working here. I've never heard him speak though. have you?

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September 5, 2008
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Here's the difference between Obama being inexperienced and Palin being the same: Obama rose up from being a senator to being a presidential candidate - on his own. He's come this far.

Palin was chosen to be a VP candidate by a single guy who might have been drinking at the time he made the choice (we cant tell). Its a choice made by a single person, not the whole public. She didnt have to do anything. So, Obama earned his spot, Palin did not.

September 5, 2008
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Free, you're just like WD so I'm going to give up on you.

September 5, 2008
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Well thanks alot guest.

That was real nice.

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September 8, 2008
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Bottom line, it doesn't really make a damn bit of difference who gets into office. They are all just puppets really in the big scheme of things.
The real show is run by just a few men from behind the curtain (the central bank), so to speak, and has been for many generations.
There agenda is and always has been money & absolute power. And what has history proven to us about absolute power? That's right, it corrupts absolutely. Likely grimmer times ahead in this old world.

This isn't really any new revelation as there is an ample amount of info out there to clearly demostrate who is really in control of the whole thing. From the economy, to the generation of fear from terrorism in the civilized world to the actual creation of the wars themselves with hidden adgendas and so much more.

If you're genuinely interested, then here's one video you really ought to check out:

Let's just enlighten ourselves!

http://video.google.com/videop.....2995115331

September 9, 2008
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CraigCo,

I think that you are speaking the truth and have really found the bottom-line essence of it all.

I regret that I have slow-mo dial-up speed and can not view most videos 🙁

(I've tried it - takes forever and I only get just little scants and skips - just enough to make me really frustrated....)

But - I have to ask you - along these lines - has there ever been a movie - maybe even a PBS Frontline episode which documents what you are saying?

I am kind of thinking along the same lines as you.

That ALL OF IT - pretty much is just a smoke screen.

I know of someone whom was involved in the CIA and he told me (in a round about way) that the american public really has no idea as to the ACTUAL dynamics REALLY at hand.

No real actual inkling - as a matter of fact.

In fact - when he maybe said that he could tell me - but that he would have to kill me afterwards - was maybe NOT so cliche'!

I'm thinking something along the lines as the 'Bilderburg Meetings' - as a good starting point...........

Do you think that, SOMEONE in Hollywood HAS to have referenced, or suggested as much..............along these lines.....

Any movies 'spring' to mind?

Yeah and yep.

We are probably ALL being duped and have no idea about it.

One time, I saw on the PBS "Charlie Rose Show" - the former director of the "Central Bank"

My sense was that he was holding back quite a bit of information - while at the same time - trying to alert the public.

If I am not mistaken, I think that I remember his talking about coming out with a (maybe 'tell-all') kind of book - don't quite remember - about the "Central Bank."

Comments?

September 9, 2008
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Maybe about 35 years ago there was a book called "The Kingmakers". I Don't remember the author but basically it was about how our politicians are really just puppets in the forefront and those who were really in charge stayed in the shadows, pulling the strings. Makes one wonder, doesn't it?

As for today, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac being taken over by the gov't, and the execs get multi million dollar payouts, and we all get to pay for that.

How in the world do these things happen, especially on such a major scale? Who's watching?

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September 9, 2008
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"Who's watching" is right on.

My finace talked about a recent program he saw with Ted Nugent recently.

From what I can gather - Ted suggested that we make the governement accountable for all monies spent.

Kind of like - a refund maybe?

That - we as the taxpayers are actually the customers - and we demand a refund for services not rendered.

I dunno.

I didn't catch it directly.

Maybe something about refusing to pay income taxes all together until this country gets their shit together......

Maybe some deep brewing along those lines.

Like a volcanoe that is about to erupt at any time.....

September 9, 2008
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tBt
If you can't view Zeitgeist, one of the sources of info for th ereligious aspect of the film was Gerald Massey.
Here's a website that contains some of his writings about Egyptology and jesus. Abou Midpage are links to the writings.

http://www.theosophical.ca/Bib.....Massey.htm

Another scholar used was Joseph Campbell.

http://www.jcf.org/new/index.p.....egoryid=11

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tbt: It DOES feel like a volcano thats about to erupt. Every day this economy gets worse. We took a huge hit again today.

I went to hear someone speak recently who is involved in the bond market business. He said we should just relax, that there is plenty of money in the world and someone will buy our banks and save them. Someone like the Middle Easterners or Chinese. Now THERE's a comforting thought (NOT!).

SD

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