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hey tump...r u around?
May 25, 2007
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GG

I do feel rested today. You know when I said I was taking off- I didn't mean to shut you down or anything. Whenever you want to share any of your impressions - just go right ahead. Even at work this weekend, I can check in here.

May 25, 2007
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I just read the response from your buddy and add into the research and thought processes tonight from another thread, that would exhaust me mentally. Rest that smart brain of yours tonight!

I just have to be careful not to fall into my bad habits of keeping things in that closet too long and avoiding them.

May 25, 2007
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tump, I am afraid I will forget this so I want to get this out. I don't want you to think on it, just listen when you have time...okay, guess read it. My daughter was sick today and asked me to lay down with her for a little. I talked about this later with a few friends and they said even as an adults, they want to be comforted by their mom if they were sick. I felt like I blurted out NOT ME! I have been thinking about it in the last few minutes and I realize that I have no inkling, desire, or anything to be around my mom for comfort at all...NONE...Do I want to be comforted? Yes, now more than ever...guess I need to get that out of my head.

(((tump)))

May 26, 2007
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GG

I know, that's the paradox- that's what sucks- that I will never be comforted by my mother. My mother can't offer comfort for what I need it for.

(((Roux)))

May 26, 2007
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Okay tump, should we just get over what will never be? For me though, I do NOT want any comfort from her. OMG, after I just typed that, it is hitting me that I don't see her as a mom to me. OMG, I think I see her a my biological mom, a sweet lady, yet weak and lazy, but almost no connection between us. OMG!!! This is disturbing...she is my mother! I call her out of duty, never because I want to. OMG, this seems twisted...gotta think, don't like this realization,,,I think? shit, shit shit!!!

gg

May 26, 2007
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(((Roux)))

Well good morning. I know - it's hard to shift the gears of thinking, isn't it?

" I don't really like my mother doesn't jibe with "honor thy mother" and "if it weren't for her, you wouldn't be here".

It took me a long time to be able to get past those sayings. Those are the thoughts and sayings that just stopped me cold. The thoughts that my mother had my best interests at heart. She didn't.

May 26, 2007
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Boy, I really messed up the italics and stuff- sorry!

May 26, 2007
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It just seems wrong? Are my feelings wrong? Am I wrong? How can I not feel the connection between a mother and child? Is something wrong with me? Is it me?

I just remembered and I may have mentioned it on the aac that I believed I was adopted when I was a child. I felt so different. I went through the legal papers knowing I would find adoption paperwork, but there was none.

May 26, 2007
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Sorry tump, I know you are mentally tired...I shouldn't have spilled...going to find something to do if I can..We can do this later...

May 26, 2007
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"It just seems wrong?"

" Are my feelings wrong?"

" Am I wrong?"

Well, I don't think so, but that's not what is important. What do you think?

May 26, 2007
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I have NO clue...I feel conflicted here.

When I would follow the mamadrama issues with you, mich, and others; I was drawn to it. I thought it was only because I cared about all of you. Yet, later, I knew there was more and that is why I posted that once to you. I didn't know these feelings that I realized earlier. Damn tears now.

You ask what I think? I DON'T KNOW or is it that I don't like what I am feeling...just feel conflicted now.

Please, this can wait, don't want to be a bother...seriously...

May 26, 2007
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Ok quit saying that- I have a clean house, and mu scrubs are even IRONED. I'm just sitting here trying to sort out some thoughts of mine. You are not bothering me.

And- even if I weren't here, couldn't you just post your thoughts? You might not get instant (gratification)answeres from me- but my answers aren't guaranteed to be right- are they? I can get back to you, and in the meantime, you might get some feedback from someone else!

Post LiitleRoux post!

May 26, 2007
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She is my mother; I know she loves me. My feelings seem wrong. Yet, I don't want to hug her or her hug me. I hate sending the necessary Mother's Day cards and birthday cards. It doesn't make sense.

We are the only one in my family not taking a family trip to Gatlinburg in a month. Why? I don't want to. I made excuses not to go, the money one...always works. My h even said, you know we could really go if you want to; that scared me. I told him no, we need to spend money on yada, yada, yada and besides you wouldn't want to stay in a big house with my dad. It shut him up.

My mother was orphaned, in the middle of 5 kids and raised by her grandmother. She has always been very quiet and she has no friends. She did visit with neighbors when I was young when they made the effort. She always puts down herself if you compliment her. She can financially buy whatever she wants for herself, yet she wears the same ol' clothes and shoes. She did start buying nice perfumes and face products I noticed. Now she does buy nice things for her house. I am trying to think of things, but feel she has always been unnoticed in my memories. My dad dominated our household and I remember him the most. I am thinking still about me being in the hospital when I was 8. My mom would always give me what I needed materially, I just never remember hugs, kisses, etc. She even told me that several times as a young child that I had high fever 104 or 105 and that my dad would wash me down in the tub. It just seems she stayed in the background. Yet, she always speaks of my dad in the proudest of ways and smiles lovingly doing that. Enough down memory lane and that is a short road...

Maybe I am selfish here, didn't get my way, what I wanted and now I have ill feelings? Am I rejecting the connection, was there a connection at all? I do know that I do NOT like today's realization...not one bit.

(((tump)))

May 26, 2007
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GG

You are not selfish. Was your mother's gramma poor? I wonder if taking those kids in was a strain financially?

"She always puts down herself if you compliment her." She has pretty low self-esteem too, doesn't she?

May 26, 2007
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My great grandmother was a retired school teacher and widow living in a little 2 bedroom house. It was during the depression when she took these 5 children in, around 1939. My mom seldom talks about it, mostly my aunt told me some. Then W.W.II and rationing, so yes, times were probably very hard for my mom. Okay, feeling guilty here.

Yea, guess she does have low self-esteem. I told her last year that I had a memory of her going somewhere with my dad when I was young and she wore this dark pink suit and I thought how beautiful she was. She didn't remember the suit and dismissed my thoughts on her beauty.

The more I am talking, the more selfish and guilty I am feeling.

May 26, 2007
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I am kind of feeling my way here, but I wondered if your mother was so poor and had such low self-esteem when she married your father, who earned a good living that she might have felt she was stuck in that marriage no matter what happened.

She won't talk about her childhood. There are things she wants secret.

Maybe she feels guilty toward you.

May 26, 2007
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It's ok to be angry at her. It's ok to have your feelings about her. No matter that they tried to teach you that it wasn't. They were wrong. They taught you to feel guilty. She wasn't nurturing to you. She failed you and there is no reason to feel guilt over her failure.

May 26, 2007
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Well, when they met, he was in the military and they moved to Virginia. He did not start making a good living until much later.

I don't know bev, just don't understand my feelings here. I hope this conflict subsides soon.

Whatcha doin today?

May 26, 2007
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I am sorta hanging around, taking it easy, being lazy- thinking about stuff. I'll take a short nap this afternoon before I go in to work the overnight shift. I think it might be crazy long after midnight, because of the holiday, so I need to be on my toes!

May 26, 2007
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Good, glad you can take it easy.

You know what tump? All of this stuff, remembering, healing, dealing with issues, is sure tough!!! real tough and lonely!

Will check back later...thanks bev, you are a good friend.

Love, gg

May 26, 2007
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tump, I need to get this out now...this just happened a little while ago...

Mu h and I just came home and came upstairs to change
clothes after running errands in the next city. He has never done this before, but he took
his belt off and popped it lightly on my thigh. (I
don't know if I have ever told any of you that when he
takes his belt off at night, it freaks me out, the
familiar sound) Well, my eyes caught his and must have
looked startled and I said "don't". He said something
like, you act like you have ever been whipped with a
belt. I said, yes, I have! He said that I wouldn't
have ever been whipped with a belt, I was too spoiled
as a child. My h has always said I was spoiled because
he was poor, so because I had nicer things, that made
me spoiled. I had to leave the room at that point and
gain composure. When I reentered the bedroom, he said,
"Now I guess you are going to tell me you were abused
too!"...and he laughed.

My first thoughts were that comments like that are
another reason I would never be believed by him or whoever.

I wanted to beat him up, but am sitting here trying to calm myself.
UGH...that hurt!

He can be such an ass!

May 26, 2007
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Maybe you should tell him you have been whipped with a belt. Did he kind of offhandedly gave you an opportunity to?

May 26, 2007
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No, he didn't. He knows and has experienced my dad's anger. By his tone and remarks, he would not believe me...

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GG,

Is that an assumption on your part that he wouldn't believe you? Does he believe anyone is abused? Does he believe in sexual abuse at all? That may be his issue.

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Or maybe he assumes that abuse didn't occur in homes that had more money than the one he was raised in. In types of homes he may have envied.

So what if he doesn't believe you? Will his disbelief make it untrue?

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