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Have you ever been to a spiritualist church?
January 25, 2008
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Hi

I have recently been and got a message that really helped me, however I got some negative feedback from a friend, who said, 'Don't you think its preety general what they said?'
The thing is, if they had said it a week b4, it wouldn't have meant anything, and it came true what they said!!

January 25, 2008
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Hi lewis
Don't know what a spiritualist church is but!

ANY religeon can be called a cult.So if you found a place of worship that works for you, and gives you inspiration, direction and peace then take part!
As long as this church doesn't isolate you from: others (people important to you), expect money that you don't have, demonize other religeons, supports harmfull acts toward you or others, then it sounds ok.

Sometimes our heads are so full of noise we need reminding of the "simple things".

You do what lifts you up, and makes you feel better.

January 25, 2008
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Lewis.

I attended a Spiritualist church meeting soon after having my hypnotic regression experiences.

The pastor, minister, elder, or whatever his title is, was giving 'readings' on the past lives of individuals who stood up amongst the congregation.

I stood up and received a whole lot of very general waffle that highly contradicted my hypnotic regression experiences both in the gender and other major attributes of my past lives as I had partially experienced them under hypnosis.

I stated from the floor of the congregation that none of his readings were accurate at all. He hushed me up as quickly as he could. I was summonsed to have a 'private audience' with him after the service. He was somewhat servile and grovelly in his dealings with me asking me about my hypnotic regression experiences with great interest. He gave me the impression that he knew that he had given me a load of old crap and was trying to discover 'how to do it for real'.

Several people in the congregation came up to me after the service and expressed their support for my stand and said that his response to my challenge was pathetic.

This could have been one charlatan amongst a whole lot of genuine ministers in this particular religion - I don't know. Needless to say I wrote this church off completely after that.

In my experience with Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, the Spiritualist Church, the Bahai's, the Mormans and the Seventh Day Adventists, Buddhism is way out front by a mile, IMHO. I'm not a 'card carrying' Buddhist by the way. Though I've visited with them many times, and regularly attended their classes, ceremonies etc, I've never officially joined them.

I've had most experience with the Ch'an (Chinese Zen) Buddhism, some with Tibetan Buddhism and very limited experience with Theravadan Buddhism.

I like very much the Dalai Lama's stance in befriending science as a legitimate way of dealing with the realities of the underpinnings of the universe as we struggle to understand it. Buddhism is the only religion that I know of that hasn't officially 'locked horns' with science - ever. Christianity certainly has all throughout history, coming off second best every time that I know of. This might be why Albert Einstien said when he was alive that Buddhism was the religion of the future.

January 25, 2008
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Big thumbs up for Buddhism.

I avoid religeous ceremony. I mostly read the texts about them, and that was mostly cristianity, Islam, some pagan, wiccan, egyptian, Greek Mythology, some hindu...
Maybe I'm missing something?
Tez. the way you write about your Buddhist experience makes me want to find a local temple and check it out.
Thanks!

January 26, 2008
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Lewis -

What you are describing is "prophesying." In my faith, it is a genuine gift from God. I know there are, indeed, "charlatans" out there, but I have personally seen more legitimate prophesying than the "fake" stuff. Since it lifted you up, appeared well-timed and generally left you encouraged, I would have no problem with it. Alot of prophesying is rather "general," but one of the purposes of prophecy is to encourage people when they are down. And encouragement can be very "general," at times.

As long as the prophetic words given to you did not contradict the written Word of God (the Bible) and left you feeling encouraged & comforted, I would say you probably experienced the Real McCoy. Hold onto it. Never mind your friend putting it down. It wasn't directed at your friend; it was given to YOU for YOUR benefit.

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January 26, 2008
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P.S. I have not heard the term, "spiritualist church" before. Churches where prophesying is accepted and practiced are generally referred to as "charismatic" or "Spirit-filled" churches. Charismatic churches flow in the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit, cited in the New Testament. The purpose of all nine gifts is for the edification and encouragement of each believer. Prophesying is one of those nine gifts.

January 26, 2008
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What I like about Buddhism, as opposed to Christianity, is the scientific focus on the 'here and now' in relieving the dissatisfactions and sufferings inherent in the human condition in a scientific way.

Unlike Christianity, Buddhism doesn't attribute the cause of human suffering to some minor misdemeanour of some fictional, prehistoric Adam and Eve in eating an apple contrary to some dictate of an imaginery God.

Buddhism gets down methodologies akin to the nitty gritty of the social sciences of psychology, sociology etc in finding and defining the causes of the human condition.

Buddhism doesn't ascribe to this Christian concept called 'sin'. Buddhism prefers to label actions, words, thoughts, emotions etc in terms of their appropriateness or otherwise in relieving and/or not exacerbating the dissatisfactions and suffering of misguided humanity.

My understanding of the meaning of the word 'sin' is committing some act in thought, word or deed, that:

1. is a grave matter,

2. with full knowledge that it is against the will of some imaginery God,

3. with the full consent of the sinner to defy the will of this imaginery God.

I was taught the above as well as the seven supposed gifts of the Holy Ghost of wisdom, understanding, counsel, knowledge, fortitude, piety, and fear of the Lord with the teaching aid of a bloody big leather strap! Note the off the top of my head retention and recall after some 50 + years. Ahhh... ... that teaching aid surely was effective.

As StronginHim77 has highlighted in the last post there are 9 gifts now. It seems that two 'gifts' were left out by my esteemed indoctrinators - obviously not considered appropriate for my ears. The mind boggles at the reasons why.

In all my studies of Christianity the only thing I saw evidenced at any depth within the whole church by the behaviour of its chief purveyors was Fear of the Lord. It's of little wonder that fear was used as their prime motivator - the bible provides ample anecdotes to propagate the notion of the existence of a wrathful, judgmental, capricious, jealous, anthropomorphic God.

This is superstition at its worst. It diverts the attention of the suffering human being from the real cause of his or her suffering - ignorance of the actual causes of that very same suffering.

Buddhism directs the suffering and dissatisfied human being to the real cause of suffering.

Inappropriate mental states either directly or indirectly cause suffering.

In preparation for writing his book, the psychiatrist, Howard Cutler M.D. asked the Dalai Lama:

"Can you give some specific examples of different mental states and describe how you would classify them?"

The Dalai Lama replied:

"Now for instance, hatred, jealousy, anger, and so on are harmful. We consider them negative states of mind because they destroy our mental happiness; once you harbor feelings of hatred or ill feeling towards someone, once you yourself are filled by hatred or negative emotions, then other people appear to you as also hostile. So as a result there is more fear, greater inhibition and hesitation, and a sense of insecurity.

These things develop, and also loneliness in the midst of a world perceived as hostile. All these negative feelings develop because of hatred. On the other hand, mental states such as kindness and compassion are definitely very positive. They are very useful. ... ."

I have yet to overcome the effects of much of the fear so successfully instilled into me by my particular purveyors of Christianity. Kindness and compassion was noteworthy because of its relative scarcity.

Buddhists also delve deeply into 'spirituality'. The Bardo Thodol, The Tibetan Book of Living and Dying, is very specific about matters that science has yet to encompass in the future.

Buddhists have no fear whatsoever that science will ever expose their beliefs as falacious. So far that has not happened. Were it to happen then buddhism would adapt quite readily and happily. The Buddha was not regarded as a God. The Buddha himself taught that we are all Buddhas in ignorance of that fact.

The word Buddha means the 'enlightened one', one whose vision of reality in the 'here and now' had shed the deluded view of 'reality' that causes the suffering inherent in the 'human condition'.

Searching for 'spiritual' answers that only make us feel good and do not strike at the heart of the causes of human suffering are worse than a waste of time. Purveyors of feel-good superstition of this kind are akin to a mirage peddling snake oil salesmen who redirect a thirsty man in the Sahara desert away from an oasis into the limitless barren sands of the dry desert wilderness.

January 26, 2008
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Tez -

I am sorry for your sufferings at the hands of some religious zealot. However, I sincerely hope that none of us ever "throws out the baby with the bath water."

The nine gifts of the Holy Spirit (Ghost), as recorded in Scripture are (1) Words of Knowledge; (2) Words of Wisdom; (3) Prophecy; (4) Faith; (5) Healing; (6) Miracles; (7) Tongues; (8) Interpretation of Tongues; and (9) Discernment of Spirits.

- Ma Strong

January 26, 2008
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Tez -

Ah...got it. You were raised Roman Catholic. So was I. It turned me into an agnostic by the age of 18.

Small wonder.

- Ma Strong

January 27, 2008
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Hi I'm from England Strong, thats what those churches r called over here.

I really want to get into it, I want to find something I believe in.

January 27, 2008
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lewis -

I am an ordained minister and "charismatic." For me, church is "just church" (translation: boring), if God doesn't show up and manifest through His gifts to believers. There are many charismatic churches in England. Also, check out "tacf.org" (Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship's website) and look up one of their affiliated churches near where you live. There is a directory of churches on their site.

By the way, didn't you make it to the one-year mark of quitting smoking? If I got that right, my hearty congratulations!!!

- Ma Strong

January 27, 2008
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I've been to one, once. Its basically a social get together with some imaginary positive energy - smilies and what not. Atleast its better than the Jesus thing I'll say. I didnt go back, didnt see the point.

January 27, 2008
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guest -

I conducted a charismatic service tonite and I can assure you that is was not a "social get together." God showed up and people's lives and hearts were impacted and touched. There no "positive energy" nonsense going on...only the knee-shaking presence of God, Himself, touching people tangibly and bringing them emotional/physical healing and encouragement. Each person attending the service received PERSONAL ministry and each was blessed and encouraged. There was nothing "church-y" or empty about it.

- Ma Strong

January 29, 2008
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If he can do so much, he could surely help me buy a $100 plane ticket to Texas. All I can find is $350 and up. Please, ask him to help me! If I get that ticket, I promise I'll convert. I'll devote my whole life to Him and I'll buy one free ticket every month for the rest of my life to people who are in need, promise......

January 29, 2008
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Seriously, whats the use of God if he cant even help me find a super cheap air ticket. I dont need emotional healing and spiritual connections and stuff. I just need a plain ol cheap air ticket. lol

January 29, 2008
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Dear guest -

By now, you have probably purchased that airline ticket. Sorry I didn't see your posting, earlier. However, I will ask Him to help you find a better bargain airfare, if you haven't locked yourself into a purchase already.

If you find the bargain airfare, do I get to pick which faith you have to convert to? (smile)

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January 29, 2008
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guest I really think God could give a hoot about how much a plane ticket costs. Money is a man made invention as a means of trade.

He's interested in your soul and your walk through this earthly plane, with or without Him.

It's much easier with Him.

But I imagine it's doable without Him as well.

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January 30, 2008
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I got the ticket already but I still trust in God! Its only him who can change that $350 into something like $95, on the printout, the computer records, everywhere. Lets see if he does it. You know what, I'll believe even if He makes the ticket $5 more expensive. See, giving God a chance here. Do it God, please, if you want me to believe in ya. If you dont care, then my ticket will stay the same and I'll know you dont care :((.

Free, I'll buy the soul thing if he changes my ticket price. Yea I know, oh well.

Hey God, sup? Come on man, join in. Make something wonderful happen on this board so we'll believe, like a virtual light show. Something, even a internet popup with a golden fairy will do.

January 31, 2008
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26-Jan-08

"... ... However, I sincerely hope that none of us ever "throws out the baby with the bath water." "

Which Baby?

Do you mean the imaginary God(s) of the Christians? God the Father, God the Son, or God the Holy Ghost? Three distinct Gods within one God - - the mystery of the Blessed Trinity?

Or the God of the Moslems? Or those of the Greek pantheon?

Or the many Gods of the Hindi religion? The Hindi Blessed Trinity of Bramha, Vishnu and Shiva?

The list of Deities from all the religions is legion. No religion has any solid logic sustaining their beliefs in the existence of their Gods, were They to really exist outside the imaginations of their adherents. By this same lack of logic I might just as well believe in Santa Clause of the One Eyed Flying Spaghetti Monster, may His name be blessed.

I'm sorry that you haven't escaped the cognitive constraints of your prior indoctrinations and socializations. I sincerely hope that none of us go looking for imaginary "babies in the bath water" in the years of enlightenment as yet to come.

January 31, 2008
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You trying to turn and unturnable table guest.

God isn't the one who stands to benefit from your faith in Him and a walk with Him through this life. You do. And only you.

So you can attempt to wheel and deal all you want. But you've nothing to bring to the table. You've no bargaining power. zip.

God exists and "be's" with or without you.

Your choice to be with Him and to have Him with you is just that. Your choice.

When ya look into things with an open heart and mind and soul, the quetion arises: how much proof does a person need?

At some point, providing proof to demanding self-centered people becomes wasted energy. Not that you yourself are demanding or self-centered, surely you see my point.

You choose to take it or you choose to leave it.

And that as they say,

is that.

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Free, mmm no, I just want a better deal for my air ticket. To me thats more useful than belief in God. Honest. I guess we'll never agree on this so its ok yea. Hope the tax rebate checks will help me out a bit :(.

February 1, 2008
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StronginHim77
thanks, it is almost one year!!!

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''ve been to one, once. Its basically a social get together with some imaginary positive energy - smilies and what not. Atleast its better than the Jesus thing I'll say. I didnt go back, didnt see the point. '

yes there were some strange smiling at nothing going on, still I have been back so something is happening!

February 1, 2008
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well guest..

God DID give us priceline.com

...

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February 1, 2008
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faith precedes the miracle. Do you really believe God will change the price?

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