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Hassan10
December 21, 2007
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"Your'e making this much bigger than it is IMO. It's total crazy making."

Are you kidding me??

Coming from someone who started two threads due to this situation, I think that is a pretty ummmmm....wrong comment to make...UNLESS, by chance you were posting to yourself in this post.

As for it being "all good", is that for now? Until next time? Or what Free?? Until something one of us says ticks you off and you start another thread to start the argument??

I just don't get it. You started this thread...IMO, to create an issue. You said way too many things for me to believe that this was all to welcome Hassan. You deliberately called out a group of people...to fight.

Yet, now you don't want to even go there?? It's all good Free. Keep telling yourself that. It's all good.

December 21, 2007
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What do you want me to say?

December 21, 2007
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Whatever is on your mind....why you think that everyone is against you? Why you throw groups of people together. I am not ok with being grouped into this whole argument. Or accused of thinking that you have nothing better to do with your time than to "play" another poster. Then to a NEW poster...you make an entire group of people look bad...PURPOSELY. Why Free?? Why would you do that?? If we are really all that bad....they can figure it out for themselves.

What did I say that allowed you to assume that I thought you and Hassan were the same person. Between the 3 posts I placed in several days?? Can you tell me that Free??

December 21, 2007
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I'm sorry mich.

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December 21, 2007
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free -

"Well. I've a couple questions.

First, is it really going to matter what I say?

Second, what exactly would we be working out?"

It sounds to me like you're throwing your hands in the air and have pretty much resigned yourself to this idea that no one will listen to you. That's your choice, although I don't really understand it. Especially since you've taken the time to make accusations about people you believe to not like you, in such a way that a response from them was inevitable. You've provoked a response over something that was really no big deal in the first place? I don't really believe this is how you feel, and so I was hoping you'd be open to the idea of expressing your feelings as opposed to stuffing them until something someone says triggers this response in you again. If you truly feel victimized by a certain group of people, then what in the heck WOULDN'T you want to work out? I just thought that if there was a opportunity to clear the air, where there are no victims anymore, or where people can feel safe enough to post to eachother without these insecurities, then "working this out" would be worth it. Maybe I was mistaken, I don't know. I think everyone deserves a fair shot at feeling understood, that's all. You seem hurt at the thought of feeling like an outsider, but you're essentially alienating yourself by not communicating. Sometimes its easier to turn and walk in the other direction, rather than endure the possible pain of working through this tension that seems to exist. Is this what you're doing by pretending that this isn't a big deal? I just find your change in attitude from feeling that you're not welcome among a certain group, to feeling that it's all good, confusing and frustrating.

December 21, 2007
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One more thing and I'm off for a bit. This is what I meant when I was trying to explain to bev how her questions or insights may make people uncomfortable enough to retreat. Not because SHE'S the one making the person uncomfortable, but because the questions themselves open up avenues that we aren't comfortable traveling just yet. So we hide. Are you avoiding these questions because you aren't ready to face certain issues within yourself, or are you really just convinced that there are people here that just don't like you, and it is what it is?

December 21, 2007
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Did that fix everything for ya Free??

Funny how you want to start this, but you surely don't want to go anywhere with it do ya?? You just wanted to make people look bad....and leave it at that.

It doesn't work that way Free. The problem here is this...you offended SEVERAL people, and insulted many people that have NEVER done anything to you.

There were five people in that thread AT THE TIME. Aside from Hassan. Myself, Bev, Need, Friendma...ok so call it four. Your words were....something to the tune of this GROUP of people.

Bev and I are the only two in that group...THAT I AM AWARE OF...correct me if I am wrong, that you have had an issue with. So you turned around and accused people that have NEVER had an issue with you of assuming you were some evil doer. Plotting against Mich.

So if you weren't referring to all four of us...who was your group Free?? Me and Bev?? What did I say to ANYONE that would make it seem as though I thought it was ANYONE other than who it was?? What did Bev say that made you assume it was you IF she thought that Hassan was someone else??

Or are you really just that paranoid for real?? Do you really think that with all that goes on in mosts peoples lives this time of year, all that I already have going on in my heart, and four kids, school and everything else Free, that I have the time to just sit and assume that you are out to get me??

I don't care if you choose to support me or not Free. I really don't. If you do cool, if you don't....that is cool too. The last time I supported you...it really didn't matter. Other than you going to court I really haven't seen you post much in the way of needing support since then. And that was during the time you were slandering me for the last time that I pissed you off. So had I offered support, would you have taken anything I said to heart...or just felt like I was being condescending and trying to harass you?? In all fairness Free...you have NO grounds to stand on with what you said about this "group" of people that don't like you.

I told you once before, I don't know you well enough to like you or not as a person. I think that you are getting really paranoid, and bordering a state of being vindictive to people who don't agree with you or WD over whatever. When i offer support, to you or anyone else...it is sincere. If I don't...so be it. This board for me...isn't about you OR anyone else. And for you, it shouldn't be about me or anyone else.

If I wasn't so sure that you got really paranoid here, I would almost think that you got awfully defensive for something that you weren't involved in. You brought yourself into this...for what?? Are you and Hassan the same person Free? Because one might be inclined to think so, for as much as you got defensive...over something that had NOTHING to do with you.

You said, "I'm sorry Mich." For what Free. Besides not answering a question that you have been asked.

Or is it because someone that you like got involved in this thread?? And stated that it may have hurt her...because she has been a part of those threads. I am apt to believe that has a lot to do with this.

A few months ago, I may not have been willing to go there after her post either. For fear of turning her away from me...but, I know that she will still love me tomorrow. She doesn't have to agree with all that I say and do..to still love me.

Whatever Free...do what you got to do. Deal with this any way you want....

December 21, 2007
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Shaney...we posted at the same time...

((((Shaney))))

December 21, 2007
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Shaneybobaney

"This is what I meant when I was trying to explain to bev how her questions or insights may make people uncomfortable enough to retreat. Not because SHE'S the one making the person uncomfortable, but because the questions themselves open up avenues that we aren't comfortable traveling just yet. So we hide."

Thank you for clarifying this. ON scond thought, I decided that's what you probably meant.

(((Shaney)))

December 21, 2007
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I don't know what to say. I already explained what I thought and I'm sorry for thinking the way I did. When I repeat myself it's taken as shoving my opinions down throats and so I'm trying not to do that.

I don't know what you want me to say.

I don't know what questions are rhetorical and which are genuine questions. I don't know what to make of all that's being said. Maybe I AM paranoid and crazy, I don't know. If I am, I'm sorry for that.

And no, mich, I'm not Hassan. It is technologically impossible for that to be and I'm sure the SC can verify that for you.

I'm really sad and sorry for things being this way right now and I don't believe I have the power to make it right. Anything I say just makes things worse. I don't know what to say to make things right but I wish did.

I'm sorry.

At this point, I have to let this go, and I'm really sorry if that bothers you, I don't mean to ignore you, but I have to just go away.

Peace be with you.

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December 21, 2007
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Hey there banana fanna fo fev - An example couldn't have come up at a more perfect time.. I was afraid that I was going to come home to a post from you verbally blasting me into the next solar system. Whew! I can usually hold my own, but you have those xray goggles with those crazy truth serum darts that make me nervous. lol

"Should I change something? The way I pose questions? Or just refrain from posting my thoughts?" That last question backed me right into a corner like a wet dog. Glad you figured out what I meant by my confusing rant. :o)

((bev))
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((hassaaaan-CHOP))

December 21, 2007
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Shaney

You who is usually so quiet, are one of the most perceptive people I know.

Thanks for being you.

(((Shaney)))

December 21, 2007
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(((free)))

My hope is that we can come back to this at some point. I can see that you need some breathing room, and I respect that. Take care of yourself - love - shaney

December 22, 2007
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(((Free)))

I hope that you feel at some point that you can come back to this and talk about it. If you can't...that is ok too.

Know this...I am NOT against you.

Everything we did yesterday was a history lesson for today. Everything we do today is a lesson for tomorrow.

Take care of you...

I have learned from all of this...the ongoing crap (sorry I can't think of another word for it) between you and I. That is what we are here for.

Peace to you. AND I Do NOT think that you are crazy. At least not any more than I am...:o)

Peace to you Free.

And as far as my questions...you don't have to answer them here anyway. I don't NEED answers to my questions Free...just think on them for yourself...thats all you can do.

((((Free, Shaney, Bev))))

December 22, 2007
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Mmm, which thread was this, can I know?

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