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going off the grid...anyone done it?
June 27, 2010
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formerly- Your situation sounds rough. I lived in Florida 8
years ago. Bad job market then so I can imagine what it must be
like now. Is there anyway you can do some research and relocate to
an area where their would be more jobs? I remember all the rain,
heat and mosquitoes in FL. I liked it there.

What upsets me is
when I see people with motor homes, minding their own business
trying to live in them and cities with ordinances against them,
ticketing them, trying to arrest them, just cause they dont have
anywhere else to go. If they live in a motor home at least they are
not leaning on the government for housing. Even if you own land
most towns wont let you live on the land unless you have an
inhabitable structure. I hope things change so that the government
can make it easier for people to help themselves.

June 27, 2010
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I was
in grant's pass, oregon.

Many people had
"squatter's rights" and had "riverside" land, one was even an old
school bus....but they say the weather stays nice, and even when it
does get cold, it doesn't get below freezing very often....I am
sure a small wood stove would keep things toasty (most did have a
chimney of some sort peeking thru the wall or roof).

any climate that
has extremes would be a difficult place to go off grid!

June 27, 2010
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rising- I have heard good things about grants pass OR, have you
been there?

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only
for a vacation...doesn't seem like there is alot to do
there.

June 27, 2010
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rising- when you find affordable real estate, that type of
situation goes hand in hand. I have lived in a remote isolated area
for going on 12 years. At first it was great. Now it has worn thin
on me. As one gets older the ability to be doing labor intensive
stuff decreases. Its also hard if you have a job and have to
commute far and buy gas.

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that
is the situation I am in...it's 35 minutes to the nearest
"civilization" and shopping and jobs.

I used to think I
wouldn't mind it, but I have learned from experience that it's not
the life for me....lol.

I think my ideal
would be a suburban neighborhood with enough land to garden in,
kids to play in, etc...and yet be local to the "hub" of a small
city where I can do my shopping and stuff.

I find that I
don't go out as much because it's so far - which is good, it saves
gas....if I get home and forgot something, I REFUSE to go out
again...just don't have the energy. I try to consolidate all my
running to one day.

I like being
around people too - if I was working maybe I would feel different
about my living situation though - but at this point - I am
isolated, no family or friends, and awfully BORED! (finances hinder
any kind of hobbies that would otherwise keep me
occupied).

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rising- the worse part about my location was the limitations it
placed on my children s social life. Can you imagine if they want
to go visit someone, go to the park I would have to drive 15 miles
there drop them off, 15 miles back home, then 15 miles to get them
15 to bring them back home. Not to mention shopping, etc. It got to
the point where in town driving was costing me $300 in gas. For a
while I was cool with it. But, I was working then. Probably didnt
matter where I laid my head. Wish I would have bought something
with land but in town.

June 30, 2010
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Thank
you, Destiny star. Thank you for your response. I thought i was
going to leave this area, but that's a story for another thread.
Maybe that opportunity has not gone away completely--- and maybe I
am fooling myself. Right now though. I am Less on grid than before.
The motel has a wireless connection that is a separate conection
that lets everyone use it. So it doesn't have a location. Also, I
use prepaid cell phones. One was free when I lost my job and had no
income I was shown that when I got emergency food stamps for 5
months. I had unemployment, which ended (again- they keep extending
and stopping) I also have the financial aid. The campus of the
college is just a few blocks away and I have a senior center and a
library within a block. I use internet there too. I watch CNN at
school, and volunteer 2 times a moth at the theater company so I
see all the shows for free. I see all my movies free at the center
and get a monthly food bag. I was able to go to a shelter in the
interum, it was a house with a lot of donations, and when I was
there was additional help for College. My books cheeper on line. so
Far, things are okay. I had hoped,however, that I would be where I
thought I was going by now. I am praying that God will show me a
new direction since it looks like I am stuck here right now. The
money runs out (again) in two months. I have to look for a shelter
again then. So, I am sort of off the grid. It is hard. But I am
working with the silver lining. I just thought that there was a way
to avoid paying the motel, or something, to keep going. I plan to
stay in school as long as it gets paid.

July 1, 2010
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formerly -

I am kind of in a
similar situation, tho very much ON the grid.

I started college
when I was collecting unemployment - that, coupled with child
support, and financial aid - enabled me to go to school full time
and not work.

unemployment
stopped and started for a long time, but I ended up running out
completely - used up the 99 weeks. So now I am on state aid - (but
my child support funds almost all of that) - and I am "surviving"
on state aid and college financial aid.

Only difference
is, I am not local to anything - so I have a rent, two kids to
support and I pay for utilities, phone, and internet.

I also have those
free wireless phones - they are a blessing.

When you asked
about being off grid - I assumed you meant living in a rustic
environment, since many of my neighbors are "off grid" and it
simply means living without electric, running water, phone, etc.
However, being land owners, paying taxes and such - they aren't
entirely "off grid" in the fashion you are thinking.

July 1, 2010
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Thank
you, rising.

I was thinking
about all of the homeless people in this city (that I am in
temperarily, because of losing my appartment last year). There are
a lot of them and they are very visible. They have practically
taken over the buses and the park. I saw some of them, with all
their dirty stuff, sitting outside the library with laptops. It
blew me away. They told me how to get the free food that the church
groups hand out. (I keep forgeting to write that down) They use the
senior facility, because anyone can. They clean up and go in to see
movies, use the computers, get some free health screenings -- and
then go to the free clinics. They all have food stamps and free bus
passes (oh and cell phones, of course) They were panhandling all
over the place. There are two places that allowed them to sleep on
thier steps and the surrounding sidewalk -- a church homeless
ministry, and City Hall!

I am tinking that
THEY are off-the-grid!

July 1, 2010
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I
wanted to do that in a less extreme way. I looked into Freegan
living (the dumpste diving is not good here, lol). I thought some
sort of squatting situation would be an adventure, but it can't be
done around here. There are plenty of places to clean up and all.
There is an address that they use (although not always dependable)
there is even a garded storage tub at a mission. In the florada
winter, I would sit and talk to some who used a shaded bench area
near by. They would share the panhandle space (also in the shade).
They knew about the push to stop it, and thats how I found out. A
student had it made when all this was going on. If I wasn't the
good conservitive and against it when i lost my apartment, I would
be doing all of this out of my apartment-- except for the
internet-- and at least I would have had a kitchen to cook in (with
all my stuff, instead it being in a storage unit 20 miles away) and
a desk to work on. I would have a pool and a jecuzzi too, but lets
not go there-- I am starting to cry.

July 2, 2010
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My
sister (before she died) and her husband lived off the grid for
many years in a small town in Missouri.

He had access to
some family land and built their house by themselves.

(Mostly
underground) From there, they planted a garden, raised chickens,
stocked the pond with fish, hunted for local game, canned what grew
in their gardens and bartered with local merchants - milk for eggs
etc....

Not completely off
the grid....but I would say probably 90% there.

(I am reminded of
that ole Hank Williams Jr song....."County Boy Can
Survive.....")

It is possible,
just probably getting the land free and clear is the first step and
then just building from there like they did.

July 2, 2010
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Thats
the way it was done before there was a "grid". People fished,
planted, hunted, built their own homes, canned their own food,
sewed clothes and sold their wares. They bought form others who had
wares to sell. There is a movement to start that in towns or
counties now. Everything possible will be local. There is a name
for it, but I am too lazy to look it up right now. I'll have to get
back to you on that one.

I think part of
getting off the grid is getting off the treadmill that is mentioned
in the book and video called "The Story of Stuff". We are in this
vicious cycle of work buy throw away (after watching tv and being
told we arn't good enough without this or that -- over and over--
and we can just stop(says the Video). Its a
start,though.

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I
think it's a point system in community currency.

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