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May 5, 2005
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The interesting thing about white dove's "prayer" is that it is not really a prayer--more like a poem or scripture. It does not really ask anything. Asking for God's will to be done is kind of like asking that Wednesday will follow Tuesday.

"Dear Heavenly Father, I beseech thee that Wednesday should be followed by Thursday and then Friday. Your talent for arranging the days of the week is just so spiffy I'm sure you will do a great job. Also let it be that those who observe my bowing and scraping before you be mightily impressed by my awesome religiousity. Amen."

It is not so much a prayer as it is an opportunity for a person to flout their piety. The Bible advises us to keep our piety to ourselves, otherwise we make our relationship with god just be a trapping for our ego. Public piety for its own sake is false piety.

Not if White Dove had been praying for something real and useful, that would be different. A prayer for some personal improvement or for a friend in need or for tsunami survivors would make sense. Allow me to demonstrate.

"Oh Lord, please protect me from your followers. Amen."

May 5, 2005
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May 5, 2005
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WD:

I thought we were trying to put fires out not keep them going.

What was the sense in this post? Maybe I missed something, but I don't see how this is a positive toward anything.

Are you trying to scare off folks? Some like WhiteDove are very shy and it takes alot for them to even post here for fear of what you just accomplished to convey to her.

Not trying to argue, banter, or step on your toes... Just thought you were above this childish type of behavior.

May 5, 2005
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WD - HOW DARE YOU!!!

Judging the motives & intent of another ... ridiculing ... mocking ... preaching ... are WAY OUT OF LINE.

This deeply unpleasant behaviour is unhelpful, arrogant & hurtful and goes completely against the very wise Guideline's of this site.

I am keeping well out of all this religious debacle ... since my own spiritual path subscribes to no specific 'religion' or dogma.

But here I feel honour-bound to defend white dove from your nasty attack on her faith & her motives, to which you are arrogant enough to assume you have priviledged access! No, WD - you do NOT know everything. You have no moral right to judge the piety of another. Nor to deliberately inflict hurt.

You owe her an apology, if you have any sense of decency, fairness or empathy at all. Attacks like this are utterly unacceptable on a support site.
- Gazelle.

ps. I am NOT a Christian.

Love & a hug to you, (((white dove))).

May 5, 2005
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Hey Mama,

Yeah, it's early, I started in a bad mood and this one just got me.

I don't know if white dove was being sincere or trying to bait people.

Given the current state of board politics, I took it as baiting, as trolling.

If I am mistaken, I apologize.

If I am not mistaken, then I apologize for not having yet developed the discipline of resisting baiting. I don't apologize for my emotional reaction or for the ideas expressed.

Since there is something of a holy war going on at this site, and since we are talking about the appropriateness of mixing theology with counseling, I thought it would be worthwhile to point out that public displays of piety for piety's sake can not only be annoying, but are also inconsistent with the teachings of Jesus.

And in the context of this site, and what is going on here right now, they might simply be inappropriate.

I plead morning grumpiness and throw myself on the mercy of the court.

May 5, 2005
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white dove,

If you are sincere, then great. I don't mean to hurt your feelings, really. I respect your desire to be a spiritual person.

If your post had occurred in the Liberation Brew side, I would have interpreted it as sincere, and you most likely would not have heard from me.

But given what is going on in the site these days, I also find your post to be a kind of thumbing of your nose. Not catastrophic, destructive, or really a big deal, just annoying.

May 5, 2005
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WD: Can we talk? Upstairs please on your thread. Thanks

May 5, 2005
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Worried Dad, I know exactly how you feel. I'm finding it hard to suppress my cynical, sarcastic side as I read these posts.

white dove, just because you invoke the name of God does not give you freedom todo and say anything you like. If it's wrong, its just wrong.

gazelle, whoa! If white dove got anything from Worried Dad's post, I hope it would be that there are different ways of looking at things. We are not always the best judges of our motives. By starting a religious thread at this time, white dove opened herself up to criticism. He or she might feel that they are doing God's work, but it looked like grandstanding, deliberate provocation, and disrespect to me.
If all you noticed was deeply unpleasant behaviour, then I suggest that you are not recognizing that everybody on this board has the right to express their feelings. How dare YOU make someone else feel bad for expressing a viewpoint that differs from your own?

May 5, 2005
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jamaicanwife - I am NOT cross because someone is expressing a viewpoint different from mine. (In fact, my personal viewpoint is very much like WD's on this.)

I am cross because WD chose to make negative assumptions about someone else's sincerity. Chose to mock and judge someone else. Someone vulnerable. Someone who could be naive, disingenuous and sincere.

I respect the irrationality of deeply held beliefs & practices and understand how dear & necessary they are to some people.

I'm so glad that WD is big enough to apologise. I apologise back for jumping on you so hard, WD. It was my instant victim-support circuit firing up!

May 5, 2005
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gazelle and mama
thankyou for supporting me. that means a lot to me.
thanks for the hug gazelle.
white dove

May 5, 2005
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worried dad
thanks for apologizing. i appreciate it

white dove

May 5, 2005
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white dove,

have had some coffee and am feeling a bit better.

Really, I apologize for biting your head off. I know that outbursts of temper are unkind, unhelpful and are really beneath me.

The learnings just keep coming.

May 5, 2005
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hi worried dad,
thankyou,i have respect for you for saying sorry.
that truely means a lot.

May 5, 2005
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peacesoul, You have the right to your feelings and I have the right to mine. You can choose to find my position troubling if you like. I maintain my position that I find it very troubling that people quote the bible here. I do not care if someone needs the bible to heal but they don't have to bring it here. It makes this web site seem like a christian web site and I find that offensive. The SC has already stated the new guidelines about this and I do not see your point in commenting now.

You say you want to get along but then contridict that by attacking me. Attacking is against the guidelines. So look at your own self.

restless, I believe in the God of my own choice. My God does not come from the bible. To say that the bible is God's words means nothing to me. That's your belief not mine.

May 5, 2005
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Kathy, you do not care if someone needs the bible to heal? This site is about healing, not about "well you attacked me and then attacked you"
Oh brother, grow up !

This site is also helpful for anger issues, without the use of the bible of course

ughhhhh

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