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Goa ahead, defend Islam
January 13, 2007
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at this site

http://www.faithfreedom.org/ch.....llenge.htm

It would be way too difficult for me to maintain my composure in light of Nazanin.

So go ahead.

I'd love to know how you fare.

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January 13, 2007
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Yeaa...... who wants to defend Islam?

Lets not forget the founder Muhammad married a 9 year old girl when he was 54. Before getting engaged to her when she was 6, he proclaimed "I saw you in my dream and if this is by Allah, it must happen".

January 13, 2007
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now thats just creepy. EWWW

January 13, 2007
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I cant even tell you all of the things about Islam's dark side, there's so many.

January 13, 2007
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The info on this site sure can guest.

It's an evil cult of epic proportion.

There just isn't a lighter description for it.

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January 13, 2007
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Yes I've seen that site. I agree, that is basically what it is, an evil cult. It is shocking that we are living in an age when 20% of the world population believes that this guy was really a prophet of God. Amazing.

January 14, 2007
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Ummm, Free?

The site manager is a kook, for heaven's sake.

For example, he seems to believe that if the Prophet was an evil person ,then that somehow reflects on Islam.

January 14, 2007
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"This is the long overdue trial of Islam and here are the protagonists

Defendant: Muhammad bin Abdallah

Plaintiff: Humanity (The non-Muslim portion)"

The guy has a huge hard on for Mohammed.

January 14, 2007
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WD, you did nothing to deal with the actual challenge - thats what you have to do. Be sure to look at the challenge carefully:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/ch.....llenge.htm

"For example, he seems to believe that if the Prophet was an evil person ,then that somehow reflects on Islam. "

Why not? He was the founder of Islam, so if he was evil, then he founded an evil religion - correct?

January 14, 2007
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What makes you think that the possibility that he was evil, has no effect on the possibility that the religion he founded turned out to be basically evil? (meaning, more harm than good)

January 14, 2007
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guest_guest ~ could you please show me any other religion which did less harm than good? - which in itself its very biased and vauge statement, but could you?

Mohammed doesn't equal Islam; there are many Muslims who follow his teachings, or rather what was written about him and his life more than Koran itself, but that's about them, not about Islam.

One can read any holy book and see only evil in it, while another can read the same holy book and see only good. Talking about pointless discussions.

January 14, 2007
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wow.

The guy asks for intellectual debate without insults, name calling, etc. Just logical intelligent debate about the written facts and what they mean.

and heads just turn away,

truly amazing.

I posted this kuz I'm convinced Islam is an evil cult of epic proportion and followers are sheep with no independent thought. I'd love to see somebody accept this challenge to debate this guy and then share what was learned and how the debater fared with him.

You can read about the professors and scholars of Islam that accepted his challenge.

they, too, end up just turning away, or conceding. There's nothing good or Holy about this religion- that's trickery. Like saying Hitler was basically a good man and citing some of the good things he did. Me thinks that's avoidance and denial.

What intrigues me, is why? Why the avoidance and denial?

Islam good and Holy? mohammed a good thing? Defend that belief.

The challenge is right here:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/ch.....llenge.htm

I'd TRULY love to know how you fare.

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January 14, 2007
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For example this guy, like guest actually seems to believe that Mohammed was the founder of Islam.

January 14, 2007
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Well, the professor who debated him seems to run circles around him--he didnt just run away--he exposed the guy as a fake, that is to say, an abusive, debater.

January 14, 2007
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Is there any religion that is not a cult?

Are not all cults evil?

January 14, 2007
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WD, who ELSE was the founder of Islam? Good grief! Are you crazy?

Ok, you're gonna have a hard time defending Islam, WD. Get ready once again.

Matteo, I wont reply to you as you said its a pointless discussion. You have to be smart in order to see the whole picture. 1. If Islam is bad, it doesnt mean all muslims are terrorists. Do you agree? Well since you said its a pointless discussion, I wont expect any reply. This is not a mom-dad topic to debate on. If you dont want to talk about it, please dont participate in this thread.

I want you to defend Mohammed saying that water is clean which has been polluted with dead dogs. Gear up.

January 14, 2007
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Oh G_!

Baby you're back!!

January 14, 2007
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Look people,

If you're against the first post of this thread, you have to prove the Challenge wrong. Simple.

January 14, 2007
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Bevdee, oh yesss, I'm back! I'm interested in anyone who doesnt agree with me saying that Mohammed was crazy, keeping in mind that he said water with dead dogs is still clean.

You'll see me questioning WD until he gives me a definite answer to that question. WD will finally give a reply after 10 posts and then the debate will die down, its predictable based on whats happened before.

January 14, 2007
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“I'm convinced Islam is an evil cult of epic proportion and followers are sheep with no independent thought.”

I, for one, am convinced that Christianity is an evil cult of epic proportion and followers are sheep with no independent thought. Look what is going on in USA, as an example. They made it a national religion in order to prove that their politics and government is morally right. It is just disgusting.

I also believe that any other religion is also a cult and followers are sheep with no independent thought. That it serves a minority of those in power and their interests, and it sanctions most of the evil committed by them, including wars, murders and rapes, to name a few. Any religion will embrace you and explain the world around for you, so you don’t have to think for yourself anymore, you just have to follow what they tell you is morally right. Hitler was murdering people in the name of God, as well.

And I would like to add, that religion does not equal Divinity; those two are separate; married by men for their benefit, let’s face it. God didn’t create religion, people did.

January 14, 2007
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guest_guest ~ good for you, that you are smart and see the whole picture. Somehow you just don't understand the point I am conveying, that Mohammed does not equal Islam, and implications of this fact.

I would like to remind you that according to the guidelines, I can participate in any discussion I chose to. It is not up to you to tell me not to do so. If you don' like my posts you may simply ignore them.

January 14, 2007
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MAtteo. why are you focusing on Christianity? The topic is Islam. Two wrongs dont make a right.

you wrote:

"I, for one, am convinced that Christianity is an evil cult of epic proportion and followers are sheep with no independent thought."

Here's the thing: Terrorists today idealize Mohammed. Mohammed was a terrorists. See the connection?

January 14, 2007
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Its a very simple arguement that people like WD have to prove wrong:

1. Mohammed was a terrorist

2. Terrorists idealize Mohammed

3. Civilian Muslims are not terrorists becuase its just not feasible. Most people dont have the negative energy to be a terrorist. They dont care. They want to work 9-5, come home, have dinner and sleep. Thats it.

January 14, 2007
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G_

"2. Terrorists idealize Mohammed "

I'm sure there are those in Iraq who consider American soldiers, some of which worship the christian godman, terrorists.

Matteo, were you raised in Christianity? I was and I agree with you many of your statements re: christianity.. I believe G_ was raised in the Islam religion.

January 14, 2007
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Lets us suppose that

1. Mohammed was a terrorist

2. Terrorists idealize Mohammed

Even if those things are true, Islam is still the religion of Peace.

That is a place that you don't seem able to follow me to.

Spirituality is not inconsistent with Atheism my friend.

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