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Gnosis - Will it make all present day religions redundant?
July 4, 2006
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Seek, yes if i remember correctly you questioned for years didn't you before you decided to believe?

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I just love it when you talk DIRTY! You are a Saul in the making. There's a Paul awaitin for ya on t'other side!

July 4, 2006
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omw,

Yes, I did question for a long time before believing. It just took me a few years to find a religion that satisfactorily answered my questions about God. Even then I kept questioning and kept getting answers.

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Tez

I did see the tables but I dont know how to interpret them. I know I'm asking for the impossible, its like, I want the proof to be presented in 30 seconds. Anyway it doesnt matter to me, I'm curious but not that bothered about the subject, but thanks any way for your efforts to make me understand. Like I say you have a lot to share about this inelelctual stuff and you should seek other places in addition to this forum where people are like minded like you, well thats up to you incase you didnt think of it. You bring all this high level stuff and it takes time for people to absorb it or they're not interested enough.

July 4, 2006
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Tez, guest...

Question for you both....don't you think anyone can obtain anything...that it is basically a matter of one's will, what they want or don't want? If one were stripped bare, down to the knitty gritty soul...what would one find? Wouldn't we find a willingness to do something or a willingness not too? Sure past experiences can cloud judgement, but if one wants to overcome...then maybe it isn't a matter of ability, but a matter of the will.

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July 4, 2006
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You're saying that if we willed to see truth in God and religion, we'd see that too? I dont think so. We have to be ojective, logical and unbiased, to see if something is really true. Something is either true or false. Only by being objective you can know reality, whether its true or false.

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No, I'm not talking about religion or anything specific here. I am talking about making choices about anything in life...my question is, doesn't it boil down too, what we are willing to do? because even sometimes, 'wanting' to do something is an emotion, not really precipitated by the 'will'..but more of a motivator for the will. The 'will' is the final deciding factor is what i am thinking about.

I don't have an agenda here, it is just that soem fo the recent posts have caused me to think about this..and experiences in my own life.

Nothing to do with God or religion.
Wow, guest, don't you trust me?

July 4, 2006
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On 4-Jul-06 you said:

"Tez, guest...

If one were stripped bare, down to the knitty gritty ... ...what would one find?"

OOOhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I've gone all week in the knees, with the blood rushing from my head ...

I do sooooooooooo love it when you talk dirty too, OMW.

It's just that ... ... Well, I don't know how much of it I can take.

My partner, Joy, a saintly soul, without knowing what I had written above but upon hearing the great gusto of my resounding, rauchus, demonic laughing shouted out to me from the other room:

"You are DEFINITELY going to Hell."

She must secretly know something that I don't. Oh Ah!

No worries - I'll repent at the last moment. Otherwise I'll have to spend eternity in hell with Marilyn Munroe ... what a beautiful thought. The alternative is spending it in heaven with Billy Graham and the rest of the psalm singers.

Which do you prefer Guest_guest?

July 4, 2006
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hi OMW yes i do, I was just guessing what you meant. Well the will is the Want, right? same thing?

July 4, 2006
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Tez,

It would behoove you, and the rest of us too, if you would show more respect to OMW in your posts. You took something she wrote out of context and gave it a base meaning.

I can't comment on where you'll find yourself in eternity, because I don't know myself, but showing more respect would definitely help in that department.

July 4, 2006
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Personally, i love the shoe department. show me the way!!!!.....

July 5, 2006
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hi tez I'd definitely go wherever Marylyn is going, or that hot female vampire in Underworld

July 5, 2006
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Seeker, if you stop trying to defend women and be their savior, they might see a chance to stand up for themselves.

July 5, 2006
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guest-seeker and omw are friends. he is standing up for her as a friend. some of us defend our friends. =)

July 5, 2006
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Guest_guest.

A special gift for you:

"A human being is part of the whole called by us universe ... We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from the prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.

The true value of a human being is determined by the measure and the sense in which they have obtained liberation from the self.

We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive." - Albert Einstein

July 5, 2006
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On the 4-Jul-06 you said:

"Tez,

It would behoove you, ... ..."

Are you sayin that I've got feet like a goat?

I'll have you know that whilst my feet might stink a bit when I change my socks every year whether I need to or not, they look nuttin like the cloven hooves of the often projected image of the 'devil'.

What about your 'tootsies' guest_guest?

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guppy, seeker is always defending women. He wants to be the savior for anyone who was abused, he gets angry if he hears of a woman being abused. I dont think its healthy for him to have that, i think its CoD. Anyway, as if I'm perfectly healthy myself. bah.

Also also, good friends or not, OMW can stand up for herself. Come on, give her a chance to stand up for herself. Are you afraid of them getting stronger? Maybe thats your motivation underneath... eh. Hey I'm just giving an insight, use it for yourself if you want to.

Tez________

Wow, now thats interesting, yes! I was really surprised and taken aback to read it. But then he's had conflicting quotes about God and religion too I think? Anyway, he said the same thing too but didnt explain. I wish I could know. Thanks still, I feel the concept of "losing the self" (whatever it really MEANS) has more sanity for me now that I see Albert E saying it too. I dont get it anymore than I did before though.

Whats tootsies? Forgive my engish

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"come on, give her a chance .... " -- was meant for Seeker, sorry.

July 5, 2006
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". . . now at least, in our immediate day, we hear a Pope saying slave trading is wrong, and see him sending an expedition to Africa to stop it. The texts remain; it is the practice that has changed. Why? Because the world has corrected the Bible. The Church never corrects it; and also never fails to drop in at the tail of the procession--and take the credit of the correction. As she will presently do in this instance."

-- Mark Twain (1835-1910), Europe and Elsewhere, published 1923

July 5, 2006
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guest-i understand what u are saying.

July 6, 2006
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bevdee.

Thanks for the Mark Twain quote - very interesting.

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You said:

"Thanks still, I feel the concept of "losing the self" (whatever it really MEANS) has more sanity for me now that I see Albert E saying it too. I dont get it anymore than I did before though."

Well ... if you can't find the boundaries of your 'self' and clearly define them then it might make you suspicious about whether there exists an indivisible, permanent, fundamental 'self' at all.

For example your computer is an intelligent machine. There is a Japanese Robot now taht is at the stage where it walks, talks and does things that are uncannily human.

Here's an important question for you.

Did you ever see that movie wherein Robin Williams starred as a robot servant?

Assuming you are alive in 60 years from now and scientists could transfer the neurological programming from your brain before you died into that of a robot's central processing unit and memory banks would the robot have a 'self', even if it thought that it did just as you do?

If you think that the robot had, where would that 'self' be located? In its memory banks?

What if it lost its memory chips due to an overload? Would its self evaporate?

My dear old dad at 92 didn't know who I was. He had no cognitions and I'm not sure how 'self' aware he was at that stage at all. Did he still have an identifiable, permanent, separate identity called a 'self' that was the same self that existed when he was 20 years old? When he died where did that 'self' go? At what point in time was that 'self' existent and at what time not?

Is your 'self' the same self that you had one minute ago, 1 year ago, 20 years ago, 40 years ago???? What did your face look like before you were born?

You see Guest_guest what you label as your 'self' is your conscious awareness of your brain, its associated nervous system and your body.

But your brain, its associated nervous system and your body is a highly complex mechanism that cannot exist independent of other systems around it.

If you were instantaneously shot up into outer space without life support systems you would be dead in a few minutes. What you know as your 'self' cannot exist independently.

The 'self' is a mind construct that seems to 'live' somewhere within us controlling everything within its imagined domain. Yet what we call our 'self' is independent of our brain, body etc and is the 'owner' of same. It is our conscious awareness of it. Christians conveniently call this imagined independent 'self' the 'soul'.

But what supports this higher conscious awareness? The brain? Prof. Charles Tart and his experiments seem to indicate that it is the reverse. The brain's existence seems to depend upon Higher consciousness not the reverse.

But if as you believe all terminates with death then what you call the 'self' is just the name for an impermanent collection of ever changing biological cells that continually come into, live for a while and then go out of existence. If you think that your conscious awareness depends upon your brain then you automatically must believe that this everchanging 'self' of yours comes from nowhere into existence at birth and goes no where after death except out of existence. What other thing in this world or any other that you know of that comes out of nothingness into existence, exists for a while then goes out of existence?

The law of conservation of energy says that energy cannot dissappear it can only change its form. If we are made of energy how can a certain energy pattern be called a 'self' and then given a name such as Guest_guest - except in our minds?

Don't worry if you don't follow what I have said above.

And you asked:

"Whats tootsies? ..."

'Plates of meat' - feet!

Seeker was 'behooving' me. The plural of hoof is hooves - not hoofs.

I couldn't be bothered taking Seeker's reprimand too seriously. So I made lite of it.

I only suspect, but don't know for sure and for certain that he likes to impress the ladies - some kinda 21st century Sir Galahad.

Wha' d'ya fink? W'd yah agree wid me?

You Ammerrrikans! Don't ya know the slang of other countries? We know most if not all of yours because of the swamping of our TV programs with Yankee shows.

July 8, 2006
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Tez,

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way. Persecution is used in theology, not in arithmetic."

-- Bertrand Russell (1872-1970), British author, philosopher, "An Outline in Intellectual Rubbish," Unpopular Essays (1950)

July 8, 2006
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guest_guest,

{Seeker, if you stop trying to defend women and be their savior, they might see a chance to stand up for themselves.}

Let me tell you a little secret -- nothing seems to touch a woman more than a decent guy does.

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Tez,

{"Tez,
It would behoove you, ... ..."

Are you sayin that I've got feet like a goat? }

Amazing. You profess to seek enlightment, yet you spurn an opportunity to learn because of a trivial phrasing issue.

No wonder you haven't found enlightenment yet.

Go back and study more. Maybe someday you'll be worthy of my feedback.

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guest,

{guppy, seeker is always defending women. He wants to be the savior for anyone who was abused, he gets angry if he hears of a woman being abused. I dont think its healthy for him to have that, i think its CoD. Anyway, as if I'm perfectly healthy myself. bah.

Also also, good friends or not, OMW can stand up for herself. Come on, give her a chance to stand up for herself. Are you afraid of them getting stronger? Maybe thats your motivation underneath... eh. Hey I'm just giving an insight, use it for yourself if you want to. }

Sticking up for friends when they've been unjustly spoken to is NOT codependent. It's healthy. Everybody needs somebody to stick up for them from time to time.

As for my motives for defending women, well, speculating about my motives tells you more about yourself than it does about me.

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