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Give it up to God
June 26, 2008
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me also, posts deleted, computer crash hmm.

June 26, 2008
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guest,
I agree with Tez. You can't seem to make up your mind if you are athiest or agnostic, or a Christian who has just walked away. Am I wrong?

June 28, 2008
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hii OMW, no, i was arguing. Ok its like this, you're trying to explain the tooth fairy to a little child. You tell them that if they're not good, the fairy wont come down. Its like that. hehe.

June 28, 2008
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Okay, I am giving up my finances to God! I keep trying to control things and they are NOT turning out the way I had hoped. (Guess that's the codie in me :)!!) So, I am letting go and letting God! I know He will provide.

June 28, 2008
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OK I'm giving up my lack of belief in any God to the Christian God; that is, I'm giving up a fantasy to a fantasy.

June 28, 2008
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Ahhhhh ... that feels better. That good feeling that resulted from my offering must prove I'm right. - Christian Logic 101, pp 1-3.

June 28, 2008
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Tez, "must prove im right". There is no right or wrong. There is just belief or no belief.

June 29, 2008
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My words "must prove I'm right", were written with 'tongue-in-cheek'.

No belief? Even atheists have beliefs. By "no belief", I assume that you mean disbelief in the veracity of Christian doctrines.

Beliefs usually have some basis underpinning them. Often this basis is not rational at all but emotionally based. In other words when a certain belief feels right, good, comfortable, nice, reassuring, familiar, etc it is often readily accepted without question by those who are willing to be guided by their emotions rather than cognitions.

Unconscious socialization and indoctrination tends to lock believers into a certain religious paradigm at a very young age. For example, in Christian countries at a very early age children from even the most irreligious families are exposed to the baby Jesus in a crib at Christmas time. Even the holiday period bears Christ's name! So belief in the Christian doctrines is generally socially acceptable in a Christian country.

Social networks tend to reward conformity in beliefs and ostracize those who question commonly held beliefs. It takes a very strong person to swim against the tide of common beliefs. For most people, it is far easier to believe what so-called authorities within their belief system tell them is the correct belief.

Shakespeare wrote: "To thine own self be true." These words are profound.

If a person is to become 'authentic', that is, to find out who they really are and what they believe based upon their own in depth cognitions about the world that they observe about them, then that person must critically question religious beliefs of all faiths especially those that they unquestioningly took on board as children.

Regurgitations of the 'Christian party line', using the 'standard' terminology and phraseology, smacks of unquestioning subservience to the beliefs of one's socio-religious network and abnegation of responsibility to think for oneself, IMHO.

I'm tired of asking Christians to explain the reasoning behind their irrational beliefs. I only ever get either red herrings, aggression, irrelevant Christian party lines or equally irrelevant biblical quotes. In this regard, I've challenged Christian 'experts' all to no avail.

If it is simply a matter of having 'unquestioning faith', then why not have equally unquestioning faith in the veracity of the doctrines as expounded by Zoroaster, Mohammed, Satu Sai Baba, Meher Baba, Rajneeshi, Bramha Baba, or any other son of God, avatar or self-proclaimed divine messenger? Why choose Christian beliefs? Because they feel right? It is of little wonder that Christian beliefs feel right to someone reared in a Christian country. Feelings are not and have never been unequivocal indicators of the truth about anything. At best feelings are very valuable 'attention getters'. At worst, downright deceptive. This is why I made my very provocative, sarcastic, and tongue-in-cheek statement:

"Ahhhhh ... that feels better. That good feeling that resulted from my offering must prove I'm right. - Christian Logic 101, pp 1-3."

July 1, 2008
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This thread is sooooooo far off track it's really sad.

I just wanted to know what people wanted to give up to god, and let them vent also.

Too bad that this has happened to this thread.

July 1, 2008
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Giggles -

I regret to inform you that being a Christian today is "politically incorrect." Also, the right-wing, legalistic "fundies" (and I am a fundamental, Biblically-based minister, so I can say this) have given the rest of us a bad name.

I have had to give many of my struggles to God...and He has helped me miraculously, time and time again, whether it be a physical healing, a financial miracle or a relationship breakthrough. The list of His personal intervention in my life is endless. I didn't become a Christian with "head knowledge," nor was I raised in Christianity. I became a Christian because I had a personal encounter with Jesus Christ and found out (experientially) that He really is Who He Said He is: the Son of God.

Having encountered Him, I can never deny Him, again (as I did in my younger decades).

- Ma Strong

July 2, 2008
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Strong, I came to accept God due a crisis in my life, which is usually how it goes. I had prayed and known he was there for quite a few years, but as far as me accepting Him into my life, that came later. Since then my life has turned around completely. I have been attending church faithfully now for a year and have gone to bible study, which I loved. However due to some unforseen circumstances I am unable to attend as often as I'd like to.

Through all that has happened these past couple of years, I am in a much better place now that I have God in my life. It makes it easier to know that I can turn to Him, instead of the world.

So, it may be "politcally incorrect" but honestly I don't care. Then call me just that 🙂 !!!!!!!

Thank you for your response 🙂

July 2, 2008
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Giggles -

I noted on another thread (on the Support Threads side) that you have interstitial cystitis. So do I. Have dealt with it since 1994 and was ruled legally disabled in 2005. Let me know how you are doing with the IC. It is nearly impossible to find someone to talk to about it. Only 67,000 Americans have it and it was ruled a legitimate disability by Social Security in 2003.

- Ma

July 2, 2008
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Stong, I agree not many people have it and it is hard to find someone to talk about it with. Well, I am doing wonderfully for now. I haven't had a flare up since 2002, or 2003 ... can't quite remember. When I was diagnosed it was kinda rushed because I was leaving one job for another and only had 8 weeks before my insurance ran out. Sooooo, they did the cystoscopy (OUCH!) and immediately scheduled my treatments. I did the DSMO treatments and they were very successful for me.

The doctors told me they usually wait a week or 2 in between the cystoscopy & starting treatments but given my current job ending I had to get a move on things. I did 7 weeks of treatments. I have only had to go back once for one more set and that's it. 🙂

How are you doing with yours?
Just curious how long were you walking around with the symptoms before you were diagnosed? I walked around for what seems like forever, at least 3-4 yrs. I was finally diagnosed at 22-23.

Let me know how you are doing!!
Oh yeah, and the cranberry juice just made it worse for me!

July 2, 2008
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Giggles -

I have 6-8 flare-ups per year which require antibiotics and percocet. If I stand, sit or walk too much, I have to spend most of the next day in bed because of pelvic/bladder pain. And -- of course -- I have to edit my diet vigorously: no coffee, tea, soda, mustard, fruit, tomato-anything, vinegar (salad dressings, mayo) or spicy foods. BUMMER. And no chocolate. That was probably the hardest to give up.

I began having my symptoms in 1994 and did the round of doctors, trying to find a cause for my constant bladder pain. Sometimes, I would have a genuine UTI, but -- more often-- no infection whatsoever. I was diagnosed by some urologist-rocket scientist after two years of despair and searching. However, he just said "Nothing we can do for you" and that was that. Suffer. Grin and bear it.

Eventually, my OB-GYN hooked me up with a urologist who gave me the DSMO with great results. He provides me with TLC, as well as the pain relief and antibiotics I need. He also gives me sleep medication, since my bladder wakes me up every 1-2 hours for relief without sleep meds. With sleep meds, I can actually sleep for 4 or so hours without having to go.

Glad we met. And I am glad to hear that your condition seems to be well-managed, like mine. I once had an infection that took 5 painful months to clear up and nearly destroyed my entire bladder lining. That was nearly 6 years ago. I haven't had anything that bad, since. However, I still cannot hold a normal job, since I must lie down on my side for extensive periods throughout the afternoon and evening...to prevent flare-ups.

My best to you -

Ma Strong

July 2, 2008
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((((Strong))))< i am sorry to hear that your IC is so severe. Sometimes I wonder if they would catch it early on, it probably wouldn't get so bad. I also have urethral stenosis which is extremely painful. I have just recently found out that my older sister now has it, very severe also. Have you found any support groups online?

July 3, 2008
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I've heard of a guy who has IC so badly that they had to remove his bladder. He will live on a "bag" for the rest of his life. Poor man. But his pain was so severe that he was willing to have the surgery.

So, there are (apparently) varying degrees of IC severity and symptoms.

Glad yours is one of the more "manageable" forms.

And no...I have never found a support group for IC sufferers.

- Ma

July 8, 2008
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Hey Strong, how are you doing?

July 10, 2008
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Giggles -

I am well. My stamina is not as great as I would like it to be, but I am managing fairly well. I ministered at a home gathering this past weekend. Wound up praying for every, single person there, individually. So, I was on my feet (or sitting next to them) for nearly 4 straight hours. I was in pain by the time I headed out for the long (1 hour) drive home. Had to spend most of the next two days, resting in bed...just to recover. So, the IC and weakness in my pelvic floor does limit my activity level. Very frustrating, but it could be worse.

How are you doin?

- Ma

July 10, 2008
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((Ma Strong)), That's awesome to have been praying for all those people, even though it was tiring. I am sorry to hear that you were in pain though. I cannot imagine, well actually I can. I am just so grateful that mine hasn't flared up in years.
You are right, it could always be worse. I am a little stressed right now about finding a new place to live that's affordable, and safe for my daughter. I have 2 appts today to check out 2 places.
Please pray for me to find something safe, comfortable for my little one and I, and one I can afford! The economy is horrible right now and therefore everyone is raising rent to ridiculous amounts of money!
Unfortunately, I just filed for child support about a week ago, so until that comes in I am on a strict budget.
Oh well, God will provide I know but I still cannot seem to sleep well and my mind just keeps on going.
I just have to give it up to Him.
Take care, keep posting! 🙂

July 16, 2008
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I love the title of this thread
"Give it up to God"

Well I just want to pray right now and I want to give my heavy heart up to God. I want God to take me up under his wings and carry me. I don't want God to move mountains, I just want him to let me climb over them in order to get to the other side.
My well being is all up in his hands. I want him to give me strength in order to carry on. I want him to lift my soul and give me peace. I want to come up against the devil with my full armor on from head to toe. I want to reap my blessing that I was to blind to see.
I just want to thank God.

All praise goes to him for ever more.

Amen

Nappy

Ma, you give me strength from afar. May God bless you in everything that you do.

July 17, 2008
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(((Nappy))), Amen!

I have been praying all day for the strength to wholeheartedly surrender everything up to Him. I also want to praise Him for the recent happenings in my life. I finally got a place to move to Aug 1st. In one day the landlord had 17 phone calls on it. I do NOT have good credit, actually very poor, and out of 17 people he chose me yesterday! Amazing, I just kept praying and praying. God is amazing that's all I can say.

Im glad you liked the title of this thread. I don't know if you were able to read my original post on it, I did it because at my bible study I did an icebreaker titled, "Give it up to God". We all had balloons and wrote something on it that we wanted to surrender to Him. Then one by one we briefly discussed it and watched as we all let go of our balloons and gave our issues up to God. It was awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God bless you @--]-------

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I want to start by saying that I am not searching for enemies or a fight.I am just voicing my feelings of confusion and disbelief, perhaps hoping for a lightbulb moment. I don't think "god" takes us up under anything, carries us, gives us strength... Those are all things we need to reach down inside ourselves to find. We as a people are stronger beings than we give ourselves credit for, I know, I am my own worst enemy. I am weak, I don't have the courage or strength right now to be doing what I know I need to do, but only I can do that, not some mythical being. I need to gather myself, suck it up and git er done. Once the desire and motivation are stronger than my weak self esteem, self worth, then I'll be able to work on myself again, but my fate lies in my own hands. I made poor choices and can't change the past, am making poor choices now in the present but have visions of changing the outcome of my future. Me, myself and I. I don't understand how imagining a ficticious
being is responsible for all the good in the world but not at fault for the millions more negative events. This same being that people think is going to "help" them. The notion and belief of the existence is what gives people the strenght to carry on and find their inner strength, to help themselves. If you wonder if I'm an atheist, I don't know. I was raised Catholic. All I know is I don't believe in anything or anyone right now, and makes me doubt everything I was raised to believe.

July 21, 2008
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Dear Castoff, here is my contribution, to take or leave, or even discuss in the spirit it which it is offered. (But I'm not up for any game-playing-type argument.)

Why not give yourself permission - since it isn't helping you - to give up on imagining some fictitious being, some 'invisible man' 'out there'? I did, after years of struggle...

One cannot believe in something one sees as fiction. Self-deception never worked for me (and I tried it for years, as a cowering child, afraid to offend this possibly-existing terrifying 'god' by doubting him - & be horribly punished forever!)

Worse, I had to love this tyrant, or else! [You have totally free will. But unless you do exactly as I say - remembering I watch & control every inch of your life - and love me, I'll kill you - no, worse - torture you forever in hell!] Help!

Reading the Bible didn't help, since it is crammed with graphic violence, rape, slavery, incest, genocide, threats, vengefulness, murder (often sanctioned & even encouraged by 'God'!!!) lots of rules about having to kill hundreds or thousands of animals, birds & even people to please 'God'! My poor little heart was sore afflicted.

Instead, why not give yourself permission to look within ... deeply, deeply within, to the very core of your being. See whether, in the heart of your heart, you are full of Love, of yearning to make everything alright, to be 'good' and kind, calm and confident, strong and wise - and happy.

It may be deeply buried under avalanches of stuff that at times threaten to stifle you - but somehow that basic longing towards Love, Truth, Peace & Beauty still shines brave & bright.

If that "still, small voice" in the inner silence of your soul feels like Love and Light Itself (or rather, 'Amself'!) then why not permit yourself to retreat into that Sanctuary? Instead of accepting any seriously-flawed religion?

'I AM', at this profound inner level, far removed from ego & personality, is what unites all of us. That conscious awareness in all its purity & good intention. Tragically, many people are afraid to seek or find that I AM consciousness that is pure creative Love. The total opposite of some manmade defined character or personality with wants, needs, hatreds, desires etc which many, many people tragically mistake for 'God'.

(I agree with guest-guest that this widespread concept of 'god' doesn't make sense at all! How can 'god' have desires? Or need to be jealous, vengeful, grandiose, controlling, punishing, personality-disordered if not downright psychotic & sadistic? People, ancient & modern, have gone way off the track here!)

I have been a Catholic and suffered much spiritual, emotional & mental damage from manmade inflicted ideas of 'God' and all the sufferings, abuses, tortures, murders, slave-tradings, genocide and war perpetrated under that banner. Now I am free ... and my concepts have changed during a long, winding, difficult, profound lifelong journey, seeking Truth & Goodness instead. And oh, such rejoicing in it!

I'm not trying to convert anyone to or from anything. Just sharing a tiny fraction of my own experience in case it helps anybody. I wish you many of those wonderful 'lightbulb moments' of new Understanding in mind, heart & Spirit that you seek. Me too 🙂

Brightest blessings - Gazelle.

ps Dear Ma Strong or anyone - I'd like to start posting here again, but PLEASE don't flag me up or draw attention to me like last time I dared re-appear a few months ago! I know you meant well, but it scared me off! Sorry.

July 21, 2008
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Castoff,

Not everyone is going to believe but I feel that if you have been doing all of this YOURSELF and it looks like yourself haven't improved your life then maybe you do need to give it to your HP.

We are not put here to do it our way. It never has been like that. But.....there are some that that thinks that they are doing it thereselves and look where it has gotten them. NOWHERE!

"my fate lies in my own hands."

I wish that was true for everyone but it isn't.

If our fate was in our own hands, don't you think that everyone fate would be going like they want it to?
I rather be in the living knowing that there is a HP, then to be living and not thinking that there is one and then to die and find out that it is.

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Nappy,

What you say here is so profound!! SO much meaning in that one sentence!

"If our fate was in our own hands, don't you think that everyone fate would be going like they want it to?"

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