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Give it up to God
June 11, 2008
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In my bible study every week we do icebreakers. Well everyone usually thinks of a couple of questions to ask and then we go around to each one of us and we answer them. Well, it was my turn to bring the icebreaker and I wanted to do something different. I went on to google and looked up bible study icebreakers. After about 10mins of looking I found one titled, "Give it up to God".... Well, first I asked the question, "What is one gift that God has given you?" Now, since we had all stated one gift God has given us, it was time for us to give something to God. We all had a balloon. On it we all wrote one thing that we had been struggling with, hanging onto, and we briefly talked about it we let go of the string and watched the balloon float upward. 🙂 It was really fun.....Sooooooo what's one thing that you are struggling with, or hanging onto, that you would like to give up to God?
I wrote on my balloon, my codependent cycle. And look at me now, just weeks after doing that, I stopped manipulating and trying to control it. It has now ended. It's truly amazing! 🙂

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What's one gift God has given? If nothing else then the ability to look at him in the face and tell him "You know what, I dont like you and I'm not going to believe in you. There, what do you say to that now?".

It takes a lot to say that. One: I realized if I had the power to make God angry or upset, he's no longer infinitely powerful.

Hm....... yea. If God exists, he's a cool guy. If I die, I'll go to him and ask him to go with me for coffee and snacks. Since he created me without asking me, I have atleast that much right over him.

June 11, 2008
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has given ME

June 12, 2008
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Guest, I will not react to your post. I find it sad that you think you have power over God. Nobody does.

June 12, 2008
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I would also like to say that if you do not believe, than why are you posting on liberation side? It is supposed to be a safe place to post, you do not have power over God. You have the power to make yourself angry or upset, but not God. He will always LOVE you no matter what. Too bad some of us couldn't accept that.

June 12, 2008
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EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT

author: JOSH McDOWELL

will knock your socks off.

June 12, 2008
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Giggles, would God love me even if I pushed him into a wall or something?

Doesnt make sense right? The natural reaction for him would be "guest, what the bleep are you doing. Stop!" (at the least)

i cant beleive if i threw a big punch at him he'd still be like "aw guest, you cute little you. i still love you".

seriously now, think about it. Its impossible.

June 12, 2008
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Guest, I am not going to argue with you. We all have our own beliefs,as we are all entitled to. BUT I don't like it when you generalize about "what happens in all families"... or "kids who don't believe receive negative resistance from their parents".... Just refer to your own personal experience. Like I said, do you have children?
BUT it's kind of hypocritical when you say we all have our own beliefs, yet you get so defensive because some beliefs aren't ones that you have. Just leave it be. I believe,you don't...plain and simple. End of discussion.
Thank you.

June 13, 2008
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guest guest,

You said: "would God love me even if I pushed him into a wall or something? "

Yes, He would love you. The bible says he hates the sin but loves the sinner. He wouldnt be too happy with you though.

I'm sure you made your mom plenty mad as a kid and she loved you even though she was mad at you. We can't really compare your mom to how God thinks though, bc God is beyond our imagination.

We can't even comprehend what God is like bc we only have human minds. Human minds are limited.

How God is , how He thinks, Why He does the things He does, what He has planned for us in eternaty is beyond our imagination. He uses the bible to try and explain some of it, but even then, we cant get the complete same effect..kinda like when they make a movie from a book..the book is limited in what it can try and get you to imagine, but the movie is the real deal...much like heaven will be the real deal.

But in all honesty, I think you know all of this already.

You said: "I realized if I had the power to make God angry or upset, he's no longer infinitely powerful."

What?! lol. boy, you are so confused...so confused you dont even make sense.

You said: " If I die, I'll go to him and ask him to go with me for coffee and snacks. Since he created me without asking me, I have atleast that much right over him. "

Hon, if you dont believe in Him, you sure as heck aint gonna be seeing Him when you die. Why do you think He died on the cross? He didnt die on the cross for nothing. He didnt die on the cross to let His enemies (non believers) in. He died to save people from themselves (their selfishness and sinful nature) and from their sins. If they dont accept Gods gift of forgiveness and eternal life, then He aint lettin them in to heaven. sorry.

Sounds like you dont want to believe in Him but you still ask for the benfits that come with believing in Him... inner peace, answered prayer and wishes... eventually God does get tired of fooling with some people and will casts them aside on this earth. The bible says God only hears the prayers of a righteous man. Leaves you out dude. But you do have a choice. Sad that you are choosing the other way.

You come hear wishing and whining for relief from your pain and anguish, yet you ignore the very one who created you. If He created you, dont you think He would know what it would take to emotionally heal you? But He aint gonna do it for His enemies (someone who doesnt even believe in Him and even makes fun of Him).

Get right with HIm and perhaps He will start to listen to your needs....in His time, not yours. God isnt a vending machine where you put in your dime, push a button and presto chango.. you get what you asked for. God does what is best for us, in His time. And His time could be a very long time.. the bible says "a day is like a 1000 yrs ".

But again, I think you know all of this. Sad. To have the answers and not follow them.

June 15, 2008
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Giggles I love this balloon thing. I have a long list for God to take and perhaps it's better to just say, TAKE MY WHOLE LIFE GOD! please?

Dear God,
All of this, the whole thing, is too much! Please help me to have more faith in you, because I most definitely cannot figure this out. My mind turns around and around. It's like a cat chasing it's own tail. Loneliness, despair, loneliness, despair, loneliness. God please put the missing piece of me back where it belongs.

June 15, 2008
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Guest,

You know, it's okay. Keep talking to God, even if you get angry at Him, it's alright. Just keep talking to Him. I'm sure that He understands. I get very pissed off at God a lot (I have a lot of nerve) and I'm convinced that it's better to get angry at Him than to cut Him off. It's not like he can't handle it guest. It's not like He doesn't already know what you're thinking anyway.

One time I said to God, "If you are so awful that you would make any one of your children suffer for an eternity than go ahead and put me in Hell, I'm not worshipping You, cause you're a monster! And I don't care what You do to me!" I was then flooded with a sense of peace and comfort that definitely did not come from myself as I was in the least peaceful mood ever. It was at that time that I became completely aware that there was no eternal damnation and that God loved me so totally completely and fully and it was only I who didn't love myself.

Now if I hadn't gotten all honest with my rebelliousness that never would have happened and I would never know what I know.

June 15, 2008
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Thewall

tell me one thing.

Why is God's "he's" written in caps?

for example

>> How God is , how He thinks, Why He does the things He does, what He has planned for us in eternaty is beyond our imagination.

Why this extra respect? Why He and why not 'he' ? Whats the big deal? Whats the "puffery" about, why the need to inflate respect and create pomposity?

>> Yes, He would love you. The bible says he hates the sin but loves the sinner. He wouldnt be too happy with you though.

What do you mean? He'd love me but not be too happy with me? How's that possible?

You know what, to test his love for me, I wanna throw him to the ground and stomp of his face. Another thing: are you offended if I say this? You shouldnt be. I was saying what I wanna do to him, not you.

>> God is beyond our imagination.

DITO, same to you...... dont tell me what God is like and imagine all these things about the guy and tell me to shut up when I want to do a little imagining of myself. Yea?

>> Why do you think He died on the cross?

Hm... did I tell him to?

>> He died to save people from themselves (their selfishness and sinful nature) and from their sins.

:.d Ummmmmm. No. 1) I'm not selfish, alright. 2) I'm not sinful. 3) He can go screw himself. I didnt TELL him to die on the cross for me. You know what. I'll play 5 minutes of Minesweeper, just to save God from his own sinful nature. There ya go.

>> The bible says God only hears the prayers of a righteous man.

Not only am I righteous, but I'm damn SEXY. Oh yeaaaa!

>> yet you ignore the very one who created you.

To Him I show a big finger, very big (I did it right now, I pointed to the cieling above and I flicked God - right now, as I type into the AAC) and I tell him: Look __, did I tell you to create me? No. So, go lick your own finger or something - whatever.

My point again: since I didnt ask God to create me, he has no rights over. At all. If he wants any rights, he's no different than the witch in Hansel and Gretel.

Dont be offended at me showing the finger to God... honest. This is exactly how I feel at this figure in the sky.

And.. remember, I showed the finger to him, not you or anyone else here.

>> If He created you, dont you think He would know what it would take to emotionally heal you?

Apply your own rules - God is beyond your imagination. Why arent you apply your own rules to yourself? Hello?

>> But He aint gonna do it for His enemies (someone who doesnt even believe in Him and even makes fun of Him).

Excuse ME? You started the post saying God will love me still. Now you saying I'm his enemny and he wont help me out? Hello?? Ahhh -- typical religious person :.p

>> Get right with HIm and perhaps He will start to listen to your needs

Nah... I show him a big finger, right now. Yes God, thats for you, you like that hmm? ___

>> God isnt a vending machine where you put in your dime, push a button and presto chango.. you get what you asked for.

He's worse than one. I could put a million dollars down for God and he could do nothing.

June 15, 2008
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typo: Stomp ON his face

excuse the rest if any!

June 15, 2008
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hi soofoo

thats nice that youtold God those things.. yea!

>> It was at that time that I became completely aware that there was no eternal damnation and that God loved me so totally completely and fully and it was only I who didn't love myself.

Thats my point. God will love me if I say he's worse than a vending machine, or if I wanna throw him to the ground and stomp on his face or show him a big finger and tell him to bugger off.

The starting premise that God loves everyone uncondtionally is yes, what got me brave enough to think what I couldnt think before i.e., I really didnt need him in my life since he wasnt doing anything.

Ok you guys gotta stop telling me God can help me out. If he can, then tell him to lift my cellphone into thin air with no support for 30 seconds.

if he cant do that, he sure cant help me as well.

June 16, 2008
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(Soofoo laughing)

I'm not really sure why or how but it does help me to pray, and I do feel that God answers my prayers. He doesn't answer them like "hello soofoo!" because I don't want to hear voices! But I do get a sense of comfort and peace. I think that's way better than lifting a cell phone into thin air.

I'm not trying to convince you to believe, and I think it's fine that you don't. I just wanted to support you bringing your angry feelings to God, being confrontational, etc. because I really think it's okay.

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>> But I do get a sense of comfort and peace.

that was because of the nicer memory foam mattress you bought.

>> I just wanted to support you bringing your angry feelings to God, being confrontational, etc. because I really think it's okay.

aw thanks. Omgggg. I wanna punch God in the face! Why should anyone mind, you know. Its like a little mouse who wants to bite a huge elephant. The elephant is gonna sleep through the whole thing.

June 16, 2008
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EVIDENCE THAT DEMANDS A VERDICT
Josh McDowell.

The guy reminds me of you, but he was worse. 🙂

June 16, 2008
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I guess people get upset because they love God in a personal way and thus feel protective of Him?

It's all good.

June 16, 2008
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such anger. no wonder you are depressed and tired. Whew-eeeeeeee!

June 17, 2008
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Look at this. God could easily have prevented this fall

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but he didnt.

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Soofoo, if people get defensieve about God like that thats pretty silly, because God doesnt need protection. People would only feel defensive about someone who cant take care of himself. Good question though, doesnt make sense. He's supposed to be all powerful.

thewall,

i'm tired because i slept late! mmm. i wish i had gone to sleep on time. i was busy doing stuff. i wanna do too much and have a lot of fun and i have too little time. i have to fix this because i'm not having fun in the end. mmm. yea

But you dont like me because i made fun of your God. hm. yea.

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guest_guest.

You said:

"God could easily have prevented this fall"

You are a funny bugger. I followed the link above and pissed myself laughing. I played the video clip over and over and couldn't stop laughing at it each time.

The reaction of the congregation was such that you would think that they thought that their savior, Jesus himself, had lost his head.

You are a very naughty boy for upsetting all the Christians by trying to destroy their 'security blanket'.

You speak as though you believe that the God of the Bible and the Koran really exists. You wrote:

"Soofoo, if people get defensieve about God like that thats pretty silly, because God doesnt need protection."

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OK guest_guest, I see that you're outnumbered again and under attack. Or is it the other way around? Anyway, I'll step in and give you a hand, bro.

The Christian God was created by man in his own image and likeness. No wonder the wrath of the Christian God is to be feared more than that of Adolf Hitler whose power and knowledge was limited; yet whose capacity for a lack of love appears to be on a par with man's fictional creation of the biblical deity.

Women appear to have had little say in this creation of the Christian God. This is perhaps why we have such a misogynistic, patriarchal God being described in the bible.

Giving anything up to this fictional deity is a waste of time. One may as well give something up to Thor or Zeus, or any of the Gods in the greek pantheon. What is the difference? All are man made myths.

Turn within and look for the unadulterated 'Essense of Mind' that lies beneath the human mind with all its delusions. That will bring both short and long term benefits.

June 20, 2008
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Tez, nobody is "under attack" here. I posted this for those who believe to post something they want to give up to God, this has just gone way off track.

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Hi Giggles,
Looks like my last post was deleted. In my last post I tried to get the thread back on track. SO will re-post what I posted.

In giving up something to God, I need to give up not believing who he made me to be. But these verses are awesome!

2 Kings 5

Naaman is healed of leprosy when he obeys Elisha's directives.

INSIGHT
It is God who has power to move in the realm of the spiritual and miraculous—not man. So whether God asks us to do something difficult or simple, it doesn't matter. He will do the work behind our faith. Naaman learns this the hard way. His heart is open to God, for he goes to Elisha hoping that God will heal his leprosy. But when Elisha tells him to wash in the Jordan seven times, Naaman roars: "Are not . . . the rivers of Damascus better than all the waters of Israel?" (v. 12). He misses the point. The point is not clean water or unclean. The point is: Does he believe God? The Jordan is merely a test of his faith in God. When Naaman realizes that, he washes and is healed.

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