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Forgiveness and a New Start
September 14, 2010
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Bitsy, I think we were posting at the same time at that moment, and
I was talking about what my conflict is.

Good for you for
leaving. You are right, you don't need to be in the middle of
conflict that you don't want to be in. I would have left,

Ma, what is funny?
I was not trying to be funny in anything I said in my

This is why I find
it so hard to open up to other people, since when I do, I often
feel like I am coming under attack. I spend a lot of time by
myself, since I feel like there are not many people that I feel are
able to understand me.

Maybe I just need
to stop thinking that anyone will understand.

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OK. This is all about forgiveness and a new start. Anyone is
welcome to forgive or be forgiven and to make a fresh start with


September 14, 2010
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Don't sweat the
chuckles. It's typical for xtians to scoff at beliefs other than
their own. Closed minded types for sure. Not unlike believers in
Islam. It's their way or God will make sure that you writhe in
agony for all eternity.

...but he loves

Now 'THAT' is
chuckle worthy!

September 14, 2010
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Greetings & Humbled to be posting also engaging in quite an
Interesting thread- I First wanted to acknowledge this Initial
Post: Bitsy 10-Sep-10


... Wish You the
best Bitsy~ may You find Peace in ALL You do~ especially in
reference to...Topic... Forgiveness and a New Start... I imagine
Great things can come with Forgiveness of Self & Others also
Mindset of *New Start* cleansing the slate so to speak~ God Bless

Now with that~ I
also noticed a response to chinadoll which peaked my Interest~ I
digested what chinadoll said here & pulled out an excerpt to
address: ...I don't have a "crystal ball". I won't say I can
predict the future. I see things. Sometimes these things turn out
to be something in the future, either for me, or for the person I
am reading. I don't know it's the future, until it happens. So I
won't ever make anyone any promises about anything...

***Then what
StronginHim77 responded with: StronginHim77 14-Sep-10

China -

The "abilities"
which you have referenced in several of your postings are, indeed,
in conflict with the tenets of Christianity. Saul lost his
anointing because he chose to dabble in divination and consult a
seer, rather than seeking God as his source for guidance and


Now I have a
question for -MaStrong... with all due Respect...are You
saying...Persons with "abilities" are consulting with the Devil?
chinadoll didn't indicate she was using divination:

***the practice of
attempting to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge
by occult or supernatural means. Nor did she say she consulted a
*Psychic* or *Medium*... from what I gathered...she talks to
God...not a demigod...

There are many who
can sense things out of sight...Extrasensory...

John 16:12-13 The
Work of the Holy Spirit- 12"I have much more to say to you, more
than you can now bear. 13But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes,
he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he
will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to

11 Kings 6:17- And
Elisha prayed, "O LORD, open his eyes so he may see." Then the LORD
opened the servant's eyes, and he looked and saw the hills full of
horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

Acts 16:9-15 (New
International Version)- 9During the night Paul had a vision of a
man of Macedonia standing and begging him, "Come over to Macedonia
and help us." 10After Paul had seen the vision, we got ready at
once to leave for Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to
preach the gospel to them.

***I can
understand of what You speak where a Person *could be* corrupted
however not Everybody is~

***Re: -MaStrong
response- The "seer anointing" can be corrupted by satan from the
legitimately God-given gift of prophecy into divination &
consorting with familiar spirits of darkness. Well-intentioned
individuals believe they are operating in a gift from God. In
reality they are consorting with (and receiving information from)
familiar spirits...NOT GOD. This data can be remarkably accurate.
But the SOURCE of the data is forbidden by God. It falls into the
category of the sin of witchcraft. And the consequences of this are
dire, as was the case with Saul.


***My response-
Discerning of Spirits... Category: Revelation Gift Definitions:
Recognizing what is of God verses the world, the flesh, and the
devil. Example: Paul recognizing that the girl in Philippi had a
spirit of divination.

Discerning of
spirits is the supernatural ability given by the Holy Spirit to
perceive the source of a spiritual manifestation and determine
whether it is of God (Acts 10:30-35), of the devil (Acts 16:16-18),
of man (Acts 8:18-23), or of the world. It is not mind reading,
psychic phenomena, or the ability to criticize and find

Discerning of
spirits must be done by the power of the Holy Spirit; He bears
witness with our spirit when something is or is not of God. The
gift of discerning of spirits is the supernatural power to detect
the realm of the spirits and their activities. It implies the power
of spiritual insight - the supernatural revelation of plans and
purposes of the enemy and his forces. It is a gift which protects
and guards your Christian life. Source:

I imagine You are
familiar with this One -MaStrong...

***Re: -MaStrong
response- "There shall not be found among you any one that nmaketh
his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth
divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanger, or a

Or a charmer, or a

For all that do
these things are AN ABOMINATION UNTO THE LORD..." [Deuteronomy

...Again...reference what I pasted with site...Just One of

***Re: -MaStrong
response- I share this with you because you have stated you are a
Christian. Before becoming a Christian, I, too, dabbled in "psychic
giftings," functioning as a medium, not realizing I was consorting
with demonic familiar spirits. Today, I operate in the God-given
prophetic gifts...the "real McCoy." God is my source...not
familiars. And it is the SOURCE which counts.

The glory goes to

- Ma Strong ALSO-
StronginHim77 14-Sep-10

China -

Since you are a
Christian, I should share additional, supporting Scriptures with
you, so you can study this through for yourself (just as I

***My response- I
imagine the Scriptures are helpful when performing an Exorcism but
she is not possessed by Dark nor do any of her Posts indicate she
has been influenced~ I don't see she has caused harm upon Another
with WORDS to cast doubt in God~ or rake Mind with feelings of
being Less than Worthy- but I imagine for Someone Troubled it might
be supportive to take second look at Actions~ Again I mean no
disrespect however took a step back after reading what You have
written with Assumptions of Demonic when You don't know her nor
ever will~ ***You speak here: Today, I operate in the God-given
prophetic gifts...the "real McCoy." God is my source...not
familiars. And it is the SOURCE which counts.

Response...If You speak of Others to NOT be Trusted why should
Anybody Trust You?~ Who is to know of Your Source...& that You
are not dealing with Familiars~ I am NOT saying You are...I am NOT
saying that at all but it can be taken offensively to have a
Demonic Scarlet Letter branded without even knowing if what You
receive is the "real McCoy"...

***God is my
Source also & does not bring forth such Accusations to flick
with forked tongue...I did NOT Accuse You of Anything...merely
ASKING a Question for Clarity~

Ezekiel 33:31-32
(New American Standard Bible) 31"They come to you as people come,
and sit before you as My people and hear your words, but they do
not do them, for they do the lustful desires expressed by their
(A)mouth, and their heart goes after their (B)gain.

32"Behold, you are
to them like a sensual song by one who has a (C)beautiful voice and
plays well on an instrument; for they hear your words but they do
not practice them.

Isaiah 29:13 (New
International Version) 13 The Lord says: "These people come near to
me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts
are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules
taught by men. [a]

Matthew 15:8 (New
International Version) 8" 'These people honor me with their
lips,but their hearts are far from me.


***Re: -MaStrong
response- As discerned by Paul, it was a demonic spirit which was
feeding this woman her "data." And it WAS accurate, but the source
was evil. God was not her source. And that is what we are forbidden
to do: rely upon demonic sources of evil, rather than seeking God
for the Truth and guidance which we need.

- Ma

***My Response- I
imagine that would prove quite a Problem when Anyone turns back on
God let alone place condemnation upon HIS Children~ or use His name
in vain as stated in the Third Commandment~ I am Imperfect &
hope to bring Persons closer to God not point a finger to have them
jump off cliff-

... ***Re:
-MaStrong response- StronginHim77 14-Sep-10

OK. Now THIS is
funny. [Chuckling!]

- Ma

***My Response-
What do You find Funny? I imagine many who Believe in God wouldn't
find it Funny... He is not to be laughed at~ but I imagine You
already knew that~ His Power is beyond Comprehension & You just
have no idea when a Child of His is put on an altar to be
sacrificed before the Adversary OR Labeled a Devil
Worshipper~...His Magnitude unmeasured...can be felt WITHOUT

have brought forth much to be digested & Thank YOU for feeding
me so I could give back Food for Thought~

Thank You for
allowing me opportunity to discuss this with You~ Again I am
Honored by time & Humbled by those who took a moment to read~
Have a Blessed night & May Peace Be with You...God

September 15, 2010
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I am not reading into this correctly, but I felt the comment about
chuckling was in reference to the clashing of posts regarding
conflict between Bitsy and Chinadoll. Just my take on

Loveandlight - I
would like to thank you for the way to phrased your responses and
opinions about the topic. It took much time and thought to put that

Blessings to

September 15, 2010
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I try
to move forward. I am trying to have a new start. I can go from the
depths of despair to not. I keep telling myself that good things
are coming my way.


September 15, 2010
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Bitsy, I just got a new laptop and this was actually the first
thread I have read thru...almost completely...my laptop is actually
faster than me...imagine that.

Is all of these
people still really here or am I dreaming......this is all too
familiar...I even sorta giggled. but not at you or anyone person
.....at all. Just couldn't believe nothing has changed around here.
Maybe I will check back later......Good Luck Bitsy ...Love,

September 16, 2010
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{{{{{Horsefly}}}}} Welcome back. Would you like to join me on a
fresh start.


September 16, 2010
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Well U know I'm
not religious. From my standpoint religion can make it hard
to love yourself because SOME indulgences are frowned upon and
considered sin.

What is
indulgence? The act of gratification or receiving pleasure. How do
you view the word "indulgence'?

The word itself
has a lot of negative connotations from a Biblical standpoint. Is
this right? I don't think so. As long as the indulgence doesn't
cause harm to you or anyone else then it is a necessary factor to
living WELL!

It doesn't sound
like your priest unloaded a lot of shame based advice, but listened
and brought you some comfort. Thats good!

Accept what you
indulge in, don't deny or feel guilty about it.U are a moderate,
have a good moral compass and that is just FINE!

Indulgence doesn't
have to lead to harm. Since we are beings of flesh n bone, with
emotions and needs, part of our existence is to indulge. We must
give and receive to obtain satisfaction.

Bitsy. I'm not
knocking your religion just trying to point out some of the things
it espouses carry a huge burden of guilt, fear and shame and these
emotions can tie a person up in Knots, create great sadness, before
they even act on anything. Pain just perpetuates and sometimes
adding fundamental religious belief can offer no escape. It also
leaves one open to predation.

Many Christians
manage to let that all go, finding more inner peace and express
themselves unfettered by excessive guilt or shame.

I found a VERY
interesting article on the John Mark Ministries page.

fundamentalists bear a burden of unhealthy guilt that we can call
shame and the ways they conduct themselves in their religious world
is directly related to their shame. That is, there is a direct link
between the ethical behavior of religious fundamentalists and the
shame they carry.

For our purposes,
fundamentalism may be defined as a religious movement that seeks
to militantly defend orthodoxy against the incursions of modernity.
These intrusions may be about shifting interpretations of holy
writings, changing ethical values in the native culture, or the
complicated anxiety that accompanies intense and rapid social
change. Those defining both orthodoxy and what is considered modern
threats are almost always males. Fundamentalist leaders work to be
in positions of leadership in large influential churches,
denominational agencies, and publishing arms. In effect, these
leaders position themselves so that they can determine orthodoxy by
governing information flow. These same leaders then defend these
accepted beliefs by attacking those outside the doctrinal box they
construct. This is contemporary patriarchal

notes;”Shame is an inner sense of being completely diminished or
insufficient as a person. It is the self judging the self. A moment
of shame may be humiliation so painful or an indignity so profound
that one feels one has been robbed of her or his dignity or exposed
as basically inadequate, bad, or worthy of rejection. A pervasive
sense of shame is the ongoing premise that one is fundamentally
bad, inadequate, defective, unworthy, or not valid as a human

religious fundamentalist has an image of power and control that
must be maintained and enhanced because his sense of shame is
driving him. He believes that something is wrong with him, perhaps
on a deep spiritual level no one else sees, and he must protect his
public image of self-control and power in order to protect his
fragile private view of self."

u seek advice or guidance from religious persons who adhere to this
MO> They will really F with your head and you won't get


Please read the
whole article. I think it offers some tools that may help with your
quest. It is from a religious standpoint. ;0)

The aspect of
modernity, advances in science and evolution must be considered for
any religious person. Lets face it! The bible was written in
primitive times when the average person knew little , or had
absolutely no access to the TRUTH! It is a historic fact that most
civilians had no access to higher education, ANY education. Most
were illiterate and were forced to depend on their
political/religious leaders. Think how brutal and barbaric those
times were! Church leaders were responsible and created that
knowledge vacuum.

Bitsy. U are just
FINE. U have to believe this deep inside and deal with the shame
and guilt you carry. When u allow these emotions to the surface u
will attract the wrong things at times, but sometimes a gentle
compassionate soul will truly help. Why entrust your destiny to
others whims?When u were a child u were helpless and victimized.
Not so now.

Take control, and
learn to love yourself. :0) You will get to the point of self love
in your own way. Just keep searching, reading, and be open to more
modern interpretations of your religion.

( i may not agree
with the spiritual foundations but it isn't my place to tell u
otherwise in your thread.)

Be very careful
what religious leaders u seek counsel from. If they ever use shame
based jargon then your pain will self perpetuate longer. As a woman
u must realize a lot of the Old biblical interpretations are NOT to
your benefit. U don't have to submit or stay in situations that
threaten your well being.

LoveandLight makes
some excellent observations within a religious context. Outside of
that context I believe having a "seer" or psychic ability is merely
being in touch with oneself and their surroundings. IT can be on a
spiritual plain. It is the ability to take in all the information
regarding our existence and being AWARE. It is about self
protection and offering positive service to fellow beings. I think
a lot of religion leads people away from this and makes them
vulnerable to fundamentalist rhetoric. They always turn to their
religious leaders for guidance and that leaves them vulnerable to
the corrupt aspects of religion. Developing your own sense of self
awareness, and self love can bring u closer to joy. Some of the
scriptures can do that.

I don't think we
can always be happy but whats important is having the tools to deal
with pain or loss then be able to rise above the pain. I think u
use a lot of resources, take positive action to do just


September 16, 2010
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MsGuided, thank you for responding to my thread. I was raised
in what was probably a fundamentalist church. I am not a
fundamentalist. The Episcopal church (Anglican) is not a
fundamentalist church. What drew me to that religion as a 13,14, 15
year old and cemented me in it when I was 18 or 19 was the fact
that they do not beat and bang on the pulpit and spit hellfire and
damnation. They told me God loved me and only wanted the best for
me. My view of God is a benevolent father who only wants what is
best for me. I imagine that he gets angry at me at times but then
sighs and says, OK Bitsy, what have you done this time and what are
we going to do about it? Much like a good earthly father would

I do want you to
know that I do read what you write and I do value your perspective.
I have a feeling that you and I aren't all that much different. I
would NEVER for one minute put up with anyone telling me I was
"less than" simply because I am a woman. My religion doesn't do
that either. Each, man and woman, are to be valued for the unigue
gifts they have. Sort of like the whole concept of ying and

I just have to
search this path. I have come a long way from where I was. My
priest was quite conforting. I felt refreshed after my conversation
with him.


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thought I would share this from a Bible Study I am

If we allow
ourselves to become obsessed with who's NOT doing what, we will
become negative and critical, and the joy o fthe Lord will
disappear in a heartbeat. Let's not waste our time hounding them
and browbeating them; we have enough to do keeping our own hearts

Makes sense to


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I agree with you,
when we become preoccupied with what others are doing and not
doing, we are not focusing on our own paths that we are walking


I completely agree
with you about the guilt/shame concepts. Having been raised in a
home where guilt and shame were used as a way to keep us kids
compliant and "under control", this is one of the things I have
found that has hurt me when it comes to organized

This is why I
choose to speak directly to God. I might talk to a pastor at my
church sometimes, but there are not many that I fully trust. With
all respect, I feel that I should be able to tell God anything that
is on my heart, and I don't need a man (human) to act as a liaison
for me.

I do not need a
man (human) to tell me that I am going to hell. As far as I'm
concerned, I lived thru hell here on Earth thanks to my ex and
unless another person has been thru what I have been thru in my
life, there is no room to speak about where I'm going. I already
know where I'm going, so I am not worried.

MsG, you have a
great outlook on what you speak of, that a "seer" is very aware. I
believe that I am always aware of what is going on around me, and
yes, it is a way of protecting the self.

LoveandLight, I've
not seen you on these threads before, so I would like to say
welcome. You gave me much to think about, especially where you
describe discerning of spirits. I believe that I am able to do this
in a sense. I can feel another person's energy, and many times it
tells me if that person is sincere, or intends to cause me harm. I
will check out that website you posted. Thank you. I feel like you
are one that is able to understand.

The way I see it,
God made me exactly as I am. This is why I believe that He gave me
these abilities.

horsefly, nice to
see you again. I hope you are well.

curious, nice to
see you here as well.

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have been reading Eat, Pray , Love. There is a sentence in there
where someone's grandmother tells her that all of life's problems
can be handled with a hot bath, a shot of whiskey, and the Book of
Common Prayer....sounds about right to me.


September 19, 2010
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I was at church. We were getting ready for communion. I had a bad
memory from my time with R bubble up. It was just after he had
moved C down here from South Carolina. We (the three of us) we
cooking at his house and I had bought a London Broil and marinated
it and was going to have him put it on the grill. He said something
to me and we got in an argument. I ended up going to my house (we
lived next door to each other). He cooked the London Broil and C
brought it over to my house. As I was getting ready to receive
communion, it bubbled up. I had the thought...receive the memory.
OK here it is. Forgive it. Move on. Take communion. Forgive.


September 20, 2010
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realized this morning why I have been sleeping with the TV on for
the past 3 years is to keep all the bad thoughts at bay.


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Bitsy. I do that too...sleep with the TV on. Done it since my
husband died.

Keeping bad
thoughts at bay...didn't think of that.

- Ma

September 20, 2010
12:00 am

told my sister about my depression and she told me to start
watching TV. yea right, not dealing directly with the cause of the
problem is a bad idea.

I had an uncle who
used to sleep with the radio on all night. I spent a few nights
with him, it was interesting. I got used to the radio after the
first night (had no other option)

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Ma, I
have only recently realized how sleep deprived I have been. This
summer a friend said something about lack of sleep and all the
effects it could have on you physically. I found the timer on my TV
and started setting it for two hours, then I would fall asleep to
Law & Order. I found that I was sleeping longer periods of
uninterprupted time. I was sleeping better. This morning I woke up
about 5 or so and just had this rush of various thoughts come
through my mind. All sorts of bad things that had happened in the
past and that is when it hit me that I had been using the TV to
keep my mind otherwise occupied so that I didn't have these
thoughts. You know above I wrote about some bad thoughts that came
back to me yesterday before communion. I am starting to embrace the
thoughts/memories and say that is OK I forgive you and I release
the memory from hurting me any more.

I have some from
my ex-husband that go all the way back to the birth of my daughter.
I would tell him things like I do not like red roses. Do not give
me red roses. I like pink, white, yellow or anything else but
red...I said it in plain English and he brought me red roses to the
hospital after she was born. When I went back to work I called him
and told him I thought it would be nice if Cat sent me flowers my
first day back since we missed each other. He told me Cat didnt'
have a job. I desperately wanted a second child and he wouldn't
even try. (we had infertility issues). It is 13 years later. I need
to accept the hurt and forgive him for it.


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Greetings & Thank You to those who bid with Warm Welcome when I initially posted back September 14~
It's been awhile...my feet are still getting wet on how to maneuver through here...
Honored to be before You & am looking forward to spending more moments getting to Better know & Befriend.
I Appreciate the feedback from what I exhaled & MsGuided brought much Insight & Information to add...
feed the Mind- Spirit...Thank You very much! Bitsy & chinadoll- Thank You for sharing from within- helped Greatly.
curious64- also Appreciate Your Generous comment~ brought smile as well.
I'm learning my way around the site & am Grateful for what You All have contributed to give me & Others
Clearer Understanding~ Have a Blessed Friday & Weekend! Laugh

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