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June 19, 2008
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Hi Ma,

Your thread to Clownface was so sweet and inspirational.

I checked out Todd Bentley, had forgotten that I had heard of him before. One of the websites led me to his MySpace page...all about revival. It was inspiring. For me it is easy to forget how powerful God is, and wants to be through us.

I go back and forth between 3 churches here in Las Vegas where I live: a Baptist church that I have attended for 10+ years, I love the Pastor there, but worship is very weak. Another, is Calvary Chpel which you may be familiar with, where nothing is spoken but the Word verse by verse, chapter by chapter. And another is ICLV a very spirit-filled church. It is a wonderful church, but the spiritual energy there frightens me a bit. I have seen miracles at this church and experienced them there myself, but cannot figure out why I shy away from going there on a regular basis. I have been to their Healing Room, which was awesome for me. I had so much emotional trauma that brought physical problems on as well, and through prayer and guidance and the power of the Holy Spirit, I was healed of those. SO if you are working in the Healing Room, then you have the gift of healing and ministry in that area as well. Maybe it is my unemotional church background that makes me question the emotion that flows so freely in that church, I don't know. And then on the other hand, I have been approached to assist in ministries there, and because I don't quite understand the outflow of the Holy Spirit to the degree that it happens there, I am reluctant to be involved...which is probably an excuse or pretty selfish on my part perhaps.

Have you heard of Pastor Paul and Denise Goulet? They are the Pastors at ICLV, and are awesome. What about Chuck Pierce and Heidi Baker? They attended the last Holy Spirit Conference there last year?

I guess my question is, can you offer any suggestions about how to discern if this would be the right church for me? So many different opinions are about this church through friends that I do know. And maybe it isn't what I want, but maybe where I am supposed to be....I keep going back to this church for small groups...but there is a fear for me when I do. I feel inadequate, as they are jumping for joy or in deep communion with God.....I have joy in my heart, and commune with God...but the outburst of emotion that I see at this church is freaky to me!

Thanks, hope this makes sense! 🙂

omw

June 19, 2008
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Dear OMW -

I hear what you have expressed from many people who approach me with similar concerns and confusion.

Essentially, the third church you describe is a charismatic church, meaning they openly flow in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, just like the church of the Book of Acts. They have the baptism of the Holy Spirit, pray in tongues, prophesy, have words of wisdom and words of knowledge, healings, miracles, etc. This is how we are called to flow...in the POWER of the Holy Spirit.

Remember when Jesus was gathered with the 500, prior to His ascension into heaven? He told them to WAIT UNTIL ENBUED WITH POWER FROM ON HIGH, before venturing out to preach the Gospel. The Word of God also tells us that the Gospel should be preached in POWER AND DEMONSTRATION. That is God's Word...not our opinion.

Many people are initially uncomfortable (ill at ease) in a charismatic church setting, particularly when "emotions" are evident. I sure as heck was, my first time in one. However, I have learned a great deal. First, everyone's reaction (physically and emotionally) to the presence of the Holy Spirit is different. Some weep; some laugh; some are peacefully silent; some shake; some sink to the floor and soak in His Presence; some leap for joy...some are still. Everyone is different, just as each of our personalities and temperments are unique and different.

I do know Heidi Baker. She has a sterling reputation as a devoted missionary and powerful woman of faith. If she has ministered at that church, that church is SAFE and UP FRONT. You may simply lack the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. Ask them to lay hands on you to receive Him. It's simply a question of having MORE of His Presence. Sounds like you would welcome that.

Please keep writing, if I have not addressed all of your concerns or if you have more questions.

- Ma Strong

June 23, 2008
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Ma Strong,
My last post was deleted. Looks as if the site had problems over the weekend.

I will get back to you soon.
Thanks, I appreciate your reply.

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June 24, 2008
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I do not flow in the Power of the Holy Spirit. He talks to me, but as far as demonstrating that power, I am very soft spoken. I keep thinking of Moses, and how he said, not me! In spite of his speech impediment, God used him. You know my prayer lately has been not for my glory but your's Lord. I have to make an important phone call to someone from my past, who is indirectly involved once more on the sidelines. I am having difficulty getting past myself. I can give all of the logical reasons to follow through, but the power isn't there...there is more power in my fear...which really sucks because I have lived most of my life this way!!

When I was at the Healing Room for appts. I asked about being baptised by the Holy Spirit. I was told that when I became a Christian that I was given the Holy Spirit..which I knew already. Then she placed her hand on my head and prayed for the power of the Holy Spirit. She said to just start speaking in tongues, to just start uttering and it would come and that it was to edify my soul, nd to do it as much as possible. What are your thoughts about this process? I am trying to understand. I feel like I did before I gave my life to Christ years ago...I believed in Him, but knew something was amiss, so gave my life to Him, and knew that was the missing link in my life, and that it had been filled. Now that I ahve been a Christian all of these years, I am back to that point...I believe, know I am saved, but there is a missing link again.

Three women have prophesised over me in this church. All three similar, yet to look at what they said...I have no clue how I am going to get there!! They said some exciting stuff!! I don't know how to carry this through, do you?

Hiedi Baker..when at the Holy Spirit Conference, began to laugh hysterically...she ahd to stop speaking and sank to her knees and laughed for almost an hour, talked about swimming deep in the water. Then shen she could finally stand up, it was almost as if she was receiving waves or jolts, and then she finally was able to speak. I had never seen anything like this in my entire life, so I was a bit skeptical. I beleive in the church of Acts, I do. But I am not familiar with actually witnessing the power of the Holy Spirit.

Any light you can shed, I am open to reading about and discussing. I have decided though to go to a Member's Class to learn more.

Thanks and blessings!
omw

June 27, 2008
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OMW,

I think the Holy Spirit and the Trinity are viewed differently depending on the denomination you are from. The evangelicals and pentecostal movements believe that you know you are filled with the HS when you speak in turns, It comes from the accounts of people who when they were taught about Jesus by the disciples, they accepted, were baptized, filled with the HS and spoke in tongues.

Other denominations believe that when you accept Jesus, the HS comes into you and you do not need proof. Others believe that when you are baptized, the Holy Spirit fills. The original account of the descending of the Holy Spirit on the disciples in the Upper Room says that the Holy Spirit sat like a flame of fire on their heads and they spoke in tongues and those that were outside could understand them in their own language.

I believe that the speaking in tongues there was symbolic of the disciples' capacity and power to go spread the Gospel to all people's of the word. They would be understood wherever they went. In the same way, those who they taught to could go and teach once they received the HP. I'm at all that the theatrics of many evangelicals in term of being smitten by the HP are appropriate or even real. May be they happen because people believe it. I do not see the benefit of a preacher laughing uncontrollably while the congregation watches and waits. Of what benefit is this to the church? It may edify the preacher but I don't see how the congregation is helped by it.

IMO, this should be a private matter. There is a lot written about the HS and the appropriate use if prophesy etc. in the Letters of Paul.

June 30, 2008
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I have experienced encounters with the Holy Spirit, similar to that of Heidi Baker's. There have been times when I have been absolutely GUT-PUNCHED with laughter for an incredible length of time. Notably, this has occurred frequently when I have been struggling with grief or deep, emotional losses/blows. I believe somehow the Holy Spirit blesses us with this "holy laughter" to heal our souls.

Also, when the Holy Spirit's presence is upon me so tangibly that I am shaking (or jerking, as if hit by lightning bolts), the level of my ministry to others, following these manifestations of His touch, has been powerfully increased. I have conducted services when I prophesied to (literally) line after line of people for HOURS. And apparently with great accuracy, based on the feedback and responses of the people to whom I prophesied and for whom I prayed.

I have come to a point in my walk with God where I no longer question His "methods" or manifestations. He colors outside the lines. Always has. ALways will. We can judge this by the fruit (the tangible results) of His manifestations. I have observed an astonishing increase in the level of His anointing, in conjunction with this physical touch of God. And I love His touch.

- Ma Strong

July 8, 2008
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Ma Strong,

I enjoy reading your personal experiences with the Holy Spirit, so thanks for sharing those here. I guess I really need to explore it all a bit more. Maybe I just do not allow Him to color outside the lines very much, and perhaps I need to allow that.

Isn't a continual filling though? ...I am coming to realize that I really do not know much about this, but seems I am being led to seek Him out in this way.

I will stay in touch with you.

omw

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