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Do you think that jesus was a doormat?
August 19, 2004
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If Jesus were alive today, I think He'd be crucified in our own current ways. It's part of what He came to do.

I don't think there are prophets who achieved "Christ" status. Elijah and one other prophet (can't think of his name right now) did not suffer death- they ascended. But they were not resurrected after death to walk on earth before their ascension.

I think God WAS one of us. Jesus was one of us. It is US who makes Him what he was/is not. For example, it is US who embelishes everything about Him with Gold, when Jesus was a poor carpenter. The Holy Grail is made of wood. Wanna bet? lol

I just think Jesus WAS one of us. He even got ticked off once and was gonna destroy the temple. Being one of us is part of what He came to do. Be one of us, and like the song eludes to, help us find our way back home.

He wasn't a doormat all of His life, was He? I had in my head that He was a respected teacher in His adult years.

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August 21, 2004
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Think about this thought free. What if we are all God, only in little bits? Think about the words, "we are made in his image and likeness" Why isn't is feasible that we house the God within and this is how this intelligence experiences it's own creation?

If this were so, then why don't we wake up and stop treating each other poorly and start treating each other like God!!!

Do you think it would make any difference?

August 22, 2004
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Well, it is feasible. That's deep.

Most certainly WOULD make a difference. If everybody adhered.

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August 22, 2004
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sorry to be so deep but I have learned to accept myself like this.

I do think alot about this concept and have done lots of reading. I am an interfaith person, meaning, I think there's is truth in everyones beliefs.

I was raised Catholic, lived Lutheran and now just am. I'm not sure how we are ever going to know what is true and what isn't so I will go on the way I am.

Let me know if you want to explore this anymore!

August 23, 2004
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Is there any passage in the Bible that states if we do not believe in Jesus we will go to Hell?

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August 23, 2004
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*questioning here*

Isn't that the so called unpardonable sin? And then remember the thief on the cross next to Jesus recognized him as God, and Jesus said to him "today you will be with me in paradise" ?

I guess I always thought failure to recognize was the unpardonable sin and that you were turning your back....otherwise if you could not believe in God, and go to Heaven all the while not believing in it's existance, Jesus would not have had to die.

August 23, 2004
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I think the unpardonable sin is worshipping another God. Not certain, though.

I don't think there is a passage that states we go to hell if we do not follow or believe. It does say Jesus is the way, etc., but I don't think it says where we go or what happens if we don't accept Him. I think people have drawn their own conclusions, which are invalid, logically speaking.

I'm wondering if I'm incorrect.

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August 23, 2004
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Free, I did not say I don't believe Jesus was the Christ or that He was the way. I only wonder why we think He is the only way and the only incarnation of the Christ?

I am a true believer in Jesus and I so appreciate what He was here to teach us. The problem, I think, is that we have misinterpreted much of what He was here to show.

Do I make more sense now?

August 23, 2004
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Actually, workin', I wasn't meaning to debate with you. I was wondering if anybody had an answer to the questions I brought up. Never know, somebody might 🙂

I hear what you are saying. Yeah, you do make sense- I wasn't confused I don't think.

I think Old Testament people's followed Jesus, believing he was the Messiah for various reasons, and then when He was resurrected and ascended, there was no doubt in their minds.

One would have to believe that He was in fact, resurrected from the dead, however,in order to be the promised and prophesized messiah.

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August 26, 2004
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Actually in the Kind James translation of the Bible (which by the way is the 23rd translation, not a direct translation but the translation of a translation of a translation...blah blah blah).

Anyways Jesus never actually mentions, in earlier translations, that he is THE son of God. In fact, he refers to the conceptualization that all human beings are children of god, which is closely related to the concept of Buddhanature. The idea that everyone has the kernel of godliness in them if they foster that typified behavior and give up the luxuries.

Read Thich Naht Hanh's "Living Buddha, Living Christ" if you don't believe me. He actually cites biblical passages, etc. because Jesus is one of his spiritual ancestors.

It is slightly hilarious to me how many people have lived and died, fought wars and killed, all based on the translation of a translation. How do you even know that those are sacred words? They are someone else's idea of what those words should sound like. The human conception of God is naturally flawed because we ourselves are flawed, finite creatures - and to think otherwise is a delusion that some may call "unpardonable".

August 27, 2004
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I hear ya Cici.

I'm kinda interested in the history.

What hapeened to Joseph after Jesus' birth? Where was he at the Crucifixion? Same with the three Wise men? Surely they were godparents? Was Jesus ever married to Mary Magdelene and did they ever have children? What was Jesus' life like from birth to adulthood?

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August 27, 2004
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There are so many books about this anymore. I mean, thirty years of Jesus' life are pretty much unaccounted for!

I think I need to check out the bhuddist traditions. Sounds like a fit for me.

August 27, 2004
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Well guys this might not mean anything to you. You are way over my head in some of this discussion. I heard it explained on a Self Help CD. And the quote went something like this.

"If you are feeling down about something or if every thing not going your way, say to yourself, I WANT TO FEEL GOOD, I INTENTED TO FEEL GOOD. Because the word good means GOD and GOD is good.

It also goes on and says that if it weren't for people like Gahdi, Budda, and Jesus, just think what this world would be like regardless of the translation.

August 28, 2004
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I believe what you are referring to is that, when we speak our words have more power than we understand.

We have a very creative power within ourselves which is part of the universal connection (God). When we think positively, positive results occur. When we think negatively, the same. You are what you think you are!!! Therefore, why ever think in a manner we do not want to live??? There in lies the human dilemma, in my opinion.

Speaking with good intentions, higher good intentions leaves us open to do and say what is for the best for everyone involved.

Sorry to get so involved in my explanation but this is sometimes complex. Try reading the Celestine Prophecy. Great for some initial undersdtanding and you will be led to others!!!

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